Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
This is the genesis of your confusion.
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
Lets get real
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
This is a continuance of the Thomas conversation.
Yes, the left savaged Carson, but they didn't hang his effigy to look like a lynching or meme him to look like a monkey. I didn't and wouldn't say that 'conservatives' took issue with Obama did so for racist reasons.
With that settled, what I am saying is that Obama's ascension to the presidency didn't sit well with many white rednecks and other people who still have underlying issues with race. You've gone on record as acknowledging that there's still a lot of racism in the country, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Anticipating that you'll say that those people represent the fringe, I might agree with you but add that it's a little more than the fringe crazies we all saw in Charlotte.
But, no, I don't think that represents the conservatives in the main.
I think there was all of one instance where someone made an effigy of Obama and made to look like a lynching. And you're right, making a meme where you make a President look like a monkey is way over the line.
Sure. Because 'monkey' means the same thing when said to a white and a black guy.
Tell ya what. Go down to Aberdeen and call a white guy a monkey, and see what happens.
Then go down to Liberty City and do the same thing, and report back to us.
I only call Presidents monkeys. You sure try and get a lot of mileage out of one racist hanging Obama in effigy. The racism was so bad for Obama and his wife they had to manufacture a story that she initially told as being humorous about being asked to retrieve something off a high store shelf by a old short white lady as example of the pernicious racism that even she if forced to endure in America today.
I only call Presidents monkeys. You sure try and get a lot of mileage out of one racist hanging Obama in effigy. The racism was so bad for Obama and his wife they had to manufacture a story that she initially told as being humorous about being asked to retrieve something off a high store shelf by a old short white lady as example of the pernicious racism that even she if forced to endure in America today.
The left doesn't have the type of racism that existed back before the 60s civil rights movement, where they want to turn fire hoses on blacks and stop them from going to school with their kids like their fellow Rat part members did many years ago, but they definitely don't see most blacks as there equals and they have some very racist paternalistic beliefs about blacks.
They excuse behavior and actions by blacks that they would never tolerate or accept if it was being carried out by white people. They are constantly holding blacks to lower standards of behavior and performance because they don't view them as their equals.
Hey Coug, can you give me some example of how "red neck America" went right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black President? Seems if you really are a racist, then you're not going to care what black person's politics are.
The left doesn't have the type of racism that existed back before the 60s civil rights movement, where they want to turn fire hoses on blacks and stop them from going to school with their kids like their fellow Rat part members did many years ago, but they definitely don't see most blacks as there equals and they have some very racist paternalistic beliefs about blacks.
They excuse behavior and actions by blacks that they would never tolerate or accept if it was being carried out by white people. They are constantly holding blacks to lower standards of behavior and performance because they don't view them as their equals.
Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
This is the genesis of your confusion.
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
Lets get real
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
Hypothetical racism for black conservative president vs actual documented examples of racism towards Obama.
“lol”
Carson was hit with racist bullshit just or running
Try to keep up
Nothing hypothetical about it
And by the mainstream not some kooks that you can't even bother to link to
There will never be a black conservative President, ya doofus.
The left doesn't have the type of racism that existed back before the 60s civil rights movement, where they want to turn fire hoses on blacks and stop them from going to school with their kids like their fellow Rat part members did many years ago, but they definitely don't see most blacks as there equals and they have some very racist paternalistic beliefs about blacks.
They excuse behavior and actions by blacks that they would never tolerate or accept if it was being carried out by white people. They are constantly holding blacks to lower standards of behavior and performance because they don't view them as their equals.
you're full of shit.
Brutal rebuttal Coug, you destroyed my argument. I can't tell you how much it hurts hearing that I'm full of shit coming from a guy who thinks calling Conservative blacks "Uncle Tom's" and sellouts is just a way to let them know they aren't on your team.
Hey Coug, can you give me some example of how "red neck America" went right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black President? Seems if you really are a racist, then you're not going to care what black person's politics are.
As soon as you give me an example of a liberal racist criticizing Clarence "No Questions" Thomas.
The left doesn't have the type of racism that existed back before the 60s civil rights movement, where they want to turn fire hoses on blacks and stop them from going to school with their kids like their fellow Rat part members did many years ago, but they definitely don't see most blacks as there equals and they have some very racist paternalistic beliefs about blacks.
They excuse behavior and actions by blacks that they would never tolerate or accept if it was being carried out by white people. They are constantly holding blacks to lower standards of behavior and performance because they don't view them as their equals.
The left doesn't have the type of racism that existed back before the 60s civil rights movement, where they want to turn fire hoses on blacks and stop them from going to school with their kids like their fellow Rat part members did many years ago, but they definitely don't see most blacks as there equals and they have some very racist paternalistic beliefs about blacks.
They excuse behavior and actions by blacks that they would never tolerate or accept if it was being carried out by white people. They are constantly holding blacks to lower standards of behavior and performance because they don't view them as their equals.
Your 2nd paragraph nails the bullseye.
I need proof. Care to have bob cite an example?
What is affirmative action other than a way to hold blacks to lower standards of behavior and performance?
Berkeley High, near where I live, was having the same problem a lot of schools have. High rates of blacks being suspended from school. 20% of the Student body is black but blacks were accounting for 60% of the suspensions. Besides having high rates of fighting and engaging in other behaviors that we get you suspended from school they found that black students are much more likely to "act out" in class. When I looked into examples of "acting out" it included calling your teacher a "bitch" and using racial slurs and profanity in class directed at the teacher. Instead of declaring that kind of behavior unacceptable, Berkeley decided that the answer was to hire more black teachers, and to "educate" their current teachers that "acting out" in class is just part of black culture, very similar to what they tried to do with ebonics.
It's a clear case of defining deviancy down.
Schools all over the country have cut their suspension rates of black students not by eliminating the behavior that caused the student to be suspended in the first place but by allowing more behaviors that would have gotten a student suspended under the old policies.
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Come on over to my yacht and say it to my face.
Black unemployment is historically low
Growth is way up
Unemployment is down
Tax cuts put more money in people's pockets
Your against all of it but I'm the one that doesn't care
Sure
Tell ya what. Go down to Aberdeen and call a white guy a monkey, and see what happens.
Then go down to Liberty City and do the same thing, and report back to us.
Book it.
Oops! I'm a racist!
#clockworkshill
#provetheracism
Berkeley High, near where I live, was having the same problem a lot of schools have. High rates of blacks being suspended from school. 20% of the Student body is black but blacks were accounting for 60% of the suspensions. Besides having high rates of fighting and engaging in other behaviors that we get you suspended from school they found that black students are much more likely to "act out" in class. When I looked into examples of "acting out" it included calling your teacher a "bitch" and using racial slurs and profanity in class directed at the teacher. Instead of declaring that kind of behavior unacceptable, Berkeley decided that the answer was to hire more black teachers, and to "educate" their current teachers that "acting out" in class is just part of black culture, very similar to what they tried to do with ebonics.
It's a clear case of defining deviancy down.
Schools all over the country have cut their suspension rates of black students not by eliminating the behavior that caused the student to be suspended in the first place but by allowing more behaviors that would have gotten a student suspended under the old policies.