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No bleeding heart liberal ever said, "that black son of a bitch Carson ought to get back to the democrat plantation."
Yes, they did -
Creep - you say its just politics when its a conservative getting it and its racism when its a lib
Doesn't compute. You're wrong and I'm right -
Why not?ThomasFremont said:
There will never be a black conservative President, ya doofus.RaceBannon said:
Carson was hit with racist bullshit just or runningThomasFremont said:
Hypothetical racism for black conservative president vs actual documented examples of racism towards Obama.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
“lol”
Try to keep up
Nothing hypothetical about it
And by the mainstream not some kooks that you can't even bother to link to
Even your hypothetical is a THUD.
Look at how conservative policies are turning things around for all Americans. Again.
All the left has is race baiting and the ruse is wearing thin -
Fuck off junior2001400ex said:
Link to racist shit said about Carson from the left.RaceBannon said:
Carson was hit with racist bullshit just or runningThomasFremont said:
Hypothetical racism for black conservative president vs actual documented examples of racism towards Obama.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
“lol”
Try to keep up
Nothing hypothetical about it
And by the mainstream not some kooks that you can't even bother to link to -
I don't know that anyone said the country was entirely ready for a black President. Have you considered that those rednecks were just letting Obama know that he was on the wrong team?creepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism. -
Wait just a cotton pickin minute.creepycoug said:
Sorry. I just didn't see it that way.RaceBannon said:IN other words
I'm right
And there was plenty of racist shit thrown at Carson using the criticism of Obama was racist standard
I like how folks just throw out this alleged seething cauldron of rednecks who hated the idea of a Black president
We also already showed how whitey got Obama elected twice
I don't recall many liberals doing racist shit to make their point about Carson.
I do recall many people (I'll play agnostic about their politics) throwing overtly racist shit at Obama.
Look, we can agree that Obama was a terrible president and conclude that he dealt with a lot of racism, because he did.
There was a seething cauldron of rednecks who hated a black president. There just was. I don't have a head count, but I know what I saw and read. Scoring it from a distance with as much information as you have, I'd guess it was fringe +.
Clearly and thankfully, not the mainstream.
You're conflating politics with racism too tightly. No bleeding heart liberal ever said, "that black son of a bitch Carson ought to get back to the cotton farm." Come on, you know that. -
Yep, and unlike with liberal blacks, open expression of racism when it's directed at Conservative blacks is given far more tolerance by the left. Liberals are perfectly fine with people who call Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom and House N*gger.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election -
Link?SFGbob said:
Yep, and unlike with liberal blacks, open expression of racism when it's directed at Conservative blacks is given far more tolerance by the left. Liberals are perfectly fine with people who call Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom and House N*gger.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election -
I think there was all of one instance where someone made an effigy of Obama and made to look like a lynching. And you're right, making a meme where you make a President look like a monkey is way over the line.creepycoug said:
This is a continuance of the Thomas conversation.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
Yes, the left savaged Carson, but they didn't hang his effigy to look like a lynching or meme him to look like a monkey. I didn't and wouldn't say that 'conservatives' took issue with Obama did so for racist reasons.
With that settled, what I am saying is that Obama's ascension to the presidency didn't sit well with many white rednecks and other people who still have underlying issues with race. You've gone on record as acknowledging that there's still a lot of racism in the country, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Anticipating that you'll say that those people represent the fringe, I might agree with you but add that it's a little more than the fringe crazies we all saw in Charlotte.
But, no, I don't think that represents the conservatives in the main.
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Technically that's not a meme. And Race has done it again!!!!SFGbob said:
I think there was all of one instance where someone made an effigy of Obama and made to look like a lynching. And you're right, making a meme where you make a President look like a monkey is way over the line.creepycoug said:
This is a continuance of the Thomas conversation.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
Yes, the left savaged Carson, but they didn't hang his effigy to look like a lynching or meme him to look like a monkey. I didn't and wouldn't say that 'conservatives' took issue with Obama did so for racist reasons.
With that settled, what I am saying is that Obama's ascension to the presidency didn't sit well with many white rednecks and other people who still have underlying issues with race. You've gone on record as acknowledging that there's still a lot of racism in the country, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Anticipating that you'll say that those people represent the fringe, I might agree with you but add that it's a little more than the fringe crazies we all saw in Charlotte.
But, no, I don't think that represents the conservatives in the main. -
RaceBannon said:
No bleeding heart liberal ever said, "that black son of a bitch Carson ought to get back to the democrat plantation."
Yes, they did
I don't have to answer the second one because I don't believe the first one.RaceBannon said:Creep - you say its just politics when its a conservative getting it and its racism when its a lib
Doesn't compute. You're wrong and I'm right
Yeah, there are exceptions all over the place. I think we stipulate that.
But in general I think the number of outright racists among liberals is relatively small as compared to people with political and social views that tend toward reactionary and status quo.
Let's cut through the shit and get right to it: my experience and my observations are that there are more people who have issues with race in the 'traditional values', 'keep God in school', 'marriage is between a man and a woman', 'Jesus is with Trump', 'Marijuana should be illegal', etc. etc. crowd than with the crowd you and I would both generally describe as progressive.
Fiscal conservatives, pro-business, etc. is an entirely different kettle of fish. I'm one of those fish, btw. They / we tend to be more focused on results, the economy and what's good for the country from an operational standpoint, and we tend to be less motivated by social issues. These are the people who are within political spectrum reach of classical liberals. In this crowd, I discern no such issues with race.
Many people in my wife's family are in the former camp. They are traditional conservatives from a moral and social standpoint moreso than from a fiscal standpoint. They think the country has gone to hell in a hand basket because Christian values, illegals, but Obama!, support our troops, don't even look at my guns, abortion, Killary, Benghazi, etc. etc.
THAT group has latent, and sometimes not-so-latent, issues with race. No, none of them are souf KKK marchers. And they don't hate black people. But they often had curious things to say about Obama that indicate that they're not exactly neutral with race either.
The people I encounter on the other side of the spectrum do not express issues with race. Maybe they hide it better. Idk. I'm not a mind reader any more than you are.
Anyway, that's what I see, and I see it a lot. Yeah, liberals tore the shit out of Carson, but not because he was black. But because he was conservative. Most conservatives tore the shit out of Obama because he was liberal, but a small % also revealed some overt racism in the process. Sorry, it was there. You put a picture of Michele on Facebook with exaggerated lips and nostrils and put a banana in her hand, I know what you're doing. Never saw one such illustration of Carson. Not. One. -
Your opinion is like your opinion man but when you lead with this - But in general I think the number of outright racists among liberals is relatively small as compared to people with political and social views that tend toward reactionary and status quo. - I call it bullshit
I worked on Jackson 88 and saw first hand how racist Washington state liberal democrats are. And being white I am around a lot of liberals who let the mask down. Racist as fuck
I work with a lot of salt of the earth construction types that the left loves to shit on. Some with Ivy league educations.
The attack on Carlson was for leaving the "team" you like to talk about. And racist. -
My favorite was when the loyal opposition took to calling ACA "ObamaCare." That was a racist term, until it wasn't.2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists. -
The left doesn't have the type of racism that existed back before the 60s civil rights movement, where they want to turn fire hoses on blacks and stop them from going to school with their kids like their fellow Rat part members did many years ago, but they definitely don't see most blacks as there equals and they have some very racist paternalistic beliefs about blacks.
They excuse behavior and actions by blacks that they would never tolerate or accept if it was being carried out by white people. They are constantly holding blacks to lower standards of behavior and performance because they don't view them as their equals. -
R's don't care about race at all. Excluding UW recruits, of course. Fast Strategy is a predominantly black & poly thing, as DDY has taught us.creepycoug said:
And this is unique to the left you think?Dude61 said:The Left cares nothing about race or gender except as a weapon to attack their foes.
Everybody uses everybody in politics.
Welcome. -
Because white conservatives would have to vote for him to win. Yeah I said “him”...y’all ain’t so great with women either.RaceBannon said:
Why not?ThomasFremont said:
There will never be a black conservative President, ya doofus.RaceBannon said:
Carson was hit with racist bullshit just or runningThomasFremont said:
Hypothetical racism for black conservative president vs actual documented examples of racism towards Obama.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
“lol”
Try to keep up
Nothing hypothetical about it
And by the mainstream not some kooks that you can't even bother to link to
Even your hypothetical is a THUD.
Look at how conservative policies are turning things around for all Americans. Again.
All the left has is race baiting and the ruse is wearing thin
And since half the country owns no stock (bottom 80% of population owns less than 7% overall), the gains ain’t helping them. So much for conservative policies helping the average remora.
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Yes white conservatives are racist and sexist Tommy
Good boy -
The stock market was Obama's big claim to fame
I'm talking employment and wages. HTH -
That's pretty racist, imoRaceBannon said:The stock market was Obama's big claim to fame
I'm talking employment and wages. HTH -
Unemployment was already low. Wages are still stagnant.RaceBannon said:The stock market was Obama's big claim to fame
I'm talking employment and wages. HTH
And you don’t care about the unemployed OR their wages. -
Some are overtly. Others are just indifferent. If your rights are being threatened, do you think the distinction matters?RaceBannon said:Yes white conservatives are racist and sexist Tommy
Good boy -
Basement Life sounds hard. And you sound poor.ThomasFremont said:
Unemployment was already low. Wages are still stagnant.RaceBannon said:The stock market was Obama's big claim to fame
I'm talking employment and wages. HTH
And you don’t care about the unemployed OR their wages. -
LOLTurdBuffer said:
Basement Life sounds hard. And you sound poor.ThomasFremont said:
Unemployment was already low. Wages are still stagnant.RaceBannon said:The stock market was Obama's big claim to fame
I'm talking employment and wages. HTH
And you don’t care about the unemployed OR their wages.
Come on over to my yacht and say it to my face. -
What time are we leaving port?ThomasFremont said:
LOLTurdBuffer said:
Basement Life sounds hard. And you sound poor.ThomasFremont said:
Unemployment was already low. Wages are still stagnant.RaceBannon said:The stock market was Obama's big claim to fame
I'm talking employment and wages. HTH
And you don’t care about the unemployed OR their wages.
Come on over to my yacht and say it to my face. -
BzzztThomasFremont said:
Unemployment was already low. Wages are still stagnant.RaceBannon said:The stock market was Obama's big claim to fame
I'm talking employment and wages. HTH
And you don’t care about the unemployed OR their wages.
Black unemployment is historically low
Growth is way up
Unemployment is down
Tax cuts put more money in people's pockets
Your against all of it but I'm the one that doesn't care
Sure -
Drama queen heard fromThomasFremont said:
Some are overtly. Others are just indifferent. If your rights are being threatened, do you think the distinction matters?RaceBannon said:Yes white conservatives are racist and sexist Tommy
Good boy -
Sure. Because 'monkey' means the same thing when said to a white and a black guy.SFGbob said:
I think there was all of one instance where someone made an effigy of Obama and made to look like a lynching. And you're right, making a meme where you make a President look like a monkey is way over the line.creepycoug said:
This is a continuance of the Thomas conversation.RaceBannon said:
Lets get realcreepycoug said:
Anyone who thinks this country was entirely ready for a black president is just working too hard.2001400ex said:
There you go. See you can provide links to back up your assertion.SFGbob said:
No problem Hondo, unlike you I'm not a Kunt. I was just trying to establish the depths of your ignorance first.2001400ex said:
Support your claim. Give examples of people being called racist when just disagreeing with Obama and not saying racist shit.SFGbob said:
It's shocking what an ignorant dumbfuck you are Hondo. I would guess that when Obama was in office his dick never left Hondo's mouth. So you're claiming that you're unaware of anyone being called a racist simply for criticizing Obama. That's you're claim, right Hondo?2001400ex said:
People who say racist shit get labeled racist. Give an example of someone criticizing Obama and being called a racist without making a racist comment. You made the claim, now back it up.SFGbob said:
Why do you continue with this pathetic strawman ass fuck Coug? No one is claiming simply calling Allen West a "fuck up" should get you label as a racist. You've been disabused of this bullshit claim of yours at least half a dozen times now and yet here we are again witnessing you mounting the strawman for one more round.creepycoug said:
No more invested than you are at dodging the very same point. Don't bring that shit. A conservative could take a shit on your mom's head and a democrat could come help her clean it up, and you'd find a way to blame the Rats.SFGbob said:
If they "take them to task for it" because they believe that to be an authentic and "real" black person you have to vote for Rats, then yes it is racist and you're heavily invested in dodging that point Coug.creepycoug said:
This is the genesis of your confusion.RaceBannon said:Are Trump policies helping Blacks along with everyone else? Are Black economic indicators at historic highs since Trump took office?
Why shouldn't a Black man vote for Trump? Tell us creep
You assume I'm being political. I'm not. I'm telling you that it's not racist. It could wrong, stupid, mis-informed, right, thoughtful, spot-on, etc. etc.
Black people can vote for Trump. IDRGAF. But if another person takes them to task for it, they're not being racist.
TI just took Kanye to task for it in an interview. They argued about it in-person. TI was not being racist ... at ... all.
As for the substance of your post, I simply cannot find another way to explain it to you. You think I'm being political, but what I'm doing, instead, is as Race put it, being semantical.
I acknowledged that I get where you guys are going with this, which leads us to the very original point in the other thread: people use terms and categorical claims for their own benefit all the time. Conservatives hate, HATE, the over-use of the concept of racism to explain everything. I just find it a bit ironical that they use it to defend Allen West when a black guy tells West he's a fuck up.
Political? Yes. Racist? No. TI wasn't being racist with Kanye; and Kanye wasn't being racist with Bush.
What funny as all hell is that we just spent 8 years under Obama where any criticism no matter how slight did get that person labeled as a racist. "Chicago" "Golf" hell, accurately calling Obama a liar, all would get you branded as a racist by leftists.
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/29/msnbc_mitch_mcconnell_saying_obama_wants_to_be_in_pga_is_racist.html
https://theundefeated.com/features/a-question-of-racism/
https://capitalresearch.org/article/15603/
The first one, O'Donnell is lame and he was questioning whether there was racial undertones in a future speech. I don't agree with his thought process but I wouldn't say he was screaming racist either.
The second article is a good article discussing whether there is basis behind racist comments. I do agree that a lot of comments about Obama were racially charged. You have to be a fucktard to think not one person made a racist comment about Obama. That article goes through that process.
Sure, if it had been Allen West or Ben Carson, it would have been much less controversial; but the fact that red neck America goes right for the racial jugular in responding to a liberal black president is all you need to know - it's still there, like it or not.
And, no, it wasn't like with Trump. People make fun of Trump's hair, ass, tanning cream and verbal skills. And not infrequently, the content of what he says. That's an equal opportunity thing, especially the hair, which is just asking for it. It gets more ridiculous by the day. Grow some balls and shave it already Donnie. Jimminy, everyone knows you're bald. Who cares?
All that is different than memes portraying Michelle as a monkey/ape with a banana, and effigies of Obama being lynched. They also seem to like to use his middle name to make some kind of point as well, though I think that, along with the birther stuff, is more about Islamophobia, which in my estimation is different than racism.
We already saw how the left and the mainstream media savaged Carson just for running and for being a part of team Trump
This idea that only conservatives have an issue with a Black president is fucking stupid. There would be a meltdown of epic proportions with a conservative Black president and it would be racist as fuck
And you know it
90% is the magic number. Dems go under that with the Black vote and they can't win a national election
Yes, the left savaged Carson, but they didn't hang his effigy to look like a lynching or meme him to look like a monkey. I didn't and wouldn't say that 'conservatives' took issue with Obama did so for racist reasons.
With that settled, what I am saying is that Obama's ascension to the presidency didn't sit well with many white rednecks and other people who still have underlying issues with race. You've gone on record as acknowledging that there's still a lot of racism in the country, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Anticipating that you'll say that those people represent the fringe, I might agree with you but add that it's a little more than the fringe crazies we all saw in Charlotte.
But, no, I don't think that represents the conservatives in the main.
Tell ya what. Go down to Aberdeen and call a white guy a monkey, and see what happens.
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I only call Presidents monkeys. You sure try and get a lot of mileage out of one racist hanging Obama in effigy. The racism was so bad for Obama and his wife they had to manufacture a story that she initially told as being humorous about being asked to retrieve something off a high store shelf by a old short white lady as example of the pernicious racism that even she if forced to endure in America today.
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lol. ok, whatever bob.SFGbob said:I only call Presidents monkeys. You sure try and get a lot of mileage out of one racist hanging Obama in effigy. The racism was so bad for Obama and his wife they had to manufacture a story that she initially told as being humorous about being asked to retrieve something off a high store shelf by a old short white lady as example of the pernicious racism that even she if forced to endure in America today.
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Let's do this again next Friday
