Taxes are necessary for common things like roads, police, fire fighters, schools, emergency services, disaster fund, SSI, and reasonable defense. Everything else is legalized theft.
Taxes should be used as an investment in growing the tax base. Everything you listed offers the stability needed to do that. You also need social programs that help eliminate poverty and offer a massive ROI that makes our economy stronger.
We should make every effort to eliminate poverty, not because it makes you feel good, but because it's the easiest way to grow our economy.
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?
42% of my property tax goes to the school district. I’m already paying for high school.
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?
42% of my property tax goes to the school district. I’m already paying for high school.
Really?
Free [Tax-funded] education is a government program used to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging [individual students] for high school?
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?
Do you consider spending on Education to be welfare? When you were talking about spending on "social programs" in order to eliminate poverty I didn't get the sense that you were talking about public school spending.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Assuming this is a valid solution to poverty (it's not) how do you implement your freedom loving strategy?
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Instead of government intervention in welfare. You want government intervention in marriage and family values. To have all of America align their values with yours. Makes sense.
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?
Do you consider spending on Education to be welfare? When you were talking about spending on "social programs" in order to eliminate poverty I didn't get the sense that you were talking about public school spending.
What's the difference? Both are tax-funded efforts in increasing the socioeconomic mobility of the US.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Assuming this is a valid solution to poverty (it's not) how do you implement your freedom loving strategy?
First of all tell me why it's not a valid solution to deal with poverty? Take a look at the numbers.
If want to ensure that people in America today don't end up living in poverty you would encourage them to do 4 simple things.
1) Don't drop out of high school.
2) Don't have kids until you're married and once you get married stay married.
3) Get a job, any fucking job and keep it and do not quit that job until you've lined up a better or equal job.
4) Don't abuse drugs and don't abuse alcohol.
Do all of these things and the odds that either you or your kids will be living in poverty are extremely fucking low.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Assuming this is a valid solution to poverty (it's not) how do you implement your freedom loving strategy?
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Instead of government intervention in welfare. You want government intervention in marriage and family values. To have all of America align their values with yours. Makes sense.
El oh El.
Why do you assume it takes the government to teach people that if they are responsible they won't be living in poverty? It doesn't
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Instead of government intervention in welfare. You want government intervention in marriage and family values. To have all of America align their values with yours. Makes sense.
El oh El.
Who do you pretend the strawman is when you fuck it in the ass Hondo?
I would like society as a whole to place as much stigma on having children out of wedlock as they do on say smoking or using the the phrase "that's so gay." I didn't say anything about government intervention my strawman ass fucking Kunt of friend.
Gonna need @Swaye to weigh in on @SFGbob's make-everyone-get-married platform.
If you wear your seatbelt you have a better chance of surviving a wreck. Doesn't mean the government has to force you to wear it even though they do. It used to be done with public service announcements and the AD Council
You want to knock some chick up at 17 and marry her and life in a trailer park the government will let you.
The other side of the coin is why should the government pay for your shitty choice?
You will never "balance the budget" your way out of national debt, both because it's super hard and because politicians are greedy pos who don't pay for the bills they incur.
We do however, have the ability to grow GDP to the point where the debt is back to "acceptable" levels.
This was, and always has been the argument. Even Clinton knew this.
I agree that we'll never "balance the budget". Hell, we've only been in the black for a few a couple of years in the entire post WWII era. BUT the I am skeptical of the view that we can grow our way back to debt being at a manageable percentage of GDP w/o dealing with the long term entitlement monster.
Gonna need @Swaye to weigh in on @SFGbob's make-everyone-get-married platform.
Not what I said either. I just said that you were really serious about reducing poverty you'd strongly encourage people to get married before having kids. There was a very valid reason why that social stigma existed and it wasn't all about people being puritanical prudes.
Gonna need @Swaye to weigh in on @SFGbob's make-everyone-get-married platform.
Not what I said either. I just said that you were really serious about reducing poverty you'd strongly encourage people to get married before having kids. There was a very valid reason why that social stigma existed and it wasn't all about people being puritanical prudes.
Ok I'll bite. How do you encourage marriage without government intervention.
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Instead of government intervention in welfare. You want government intervention in marriage and family values. To have all of America align their values with yours. Makes sense.
El oh El.
Who do you pretend the strawman is when you fuck it in the ass Hondo?
I would like society as a whole to place as much stigma on having children out of wedlock as they do on say smoking or using the the phrase "that's so gay." I didn't say anything about government intervention my strawman ass fucking Kunt of friend.
More homoerotic talk. You need a good pegging and a cigarette to calm down.
Gonna need @Swaye to weigh in on @SFGbob's make-everyone-get-married platform.
Not what I said either. I just said that you were really serious about reducing poverty you'd strongly encourage people to get married before having kids. There was a very valid reason why that social stigma existed and it wasn't all about people being puritanical prudes.
Ok I'll bite. How do you encourage marriage without government intervention.
Behold the modern democrat
Can't even conceive of something being possible with out the Gubmint forcing you
Gonna need @Swaye to weigh in on @SFGbob's make-everyone-get-married platform.
Not what I said either. I just said that you were really serious about reducing poverty you'd strongly encourage people to get married before having kids. There was a very valid reason why that social stigma existed and it wasn't all about people being puritanical prudes.
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We should make every effort to eliminate poverty, not because it makes you feel good, but because it's the easiest way to grow our economy.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
Free[Tax-funded] education is a government program used to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging [individual students] for high school?El oh El.
If want to ensure that people in America today don't end up living in poverty you would encourage them to do 4 simple things.
1) Don't drop out of high school.
2) Don't have kids until you're married and once you get married stay married.
3) Get a job, any fucking job and keep it and do not quit that job until you've lined up a better or equal job.
4) Don't abuse drugs and don't abuse alcohol.
Do all of these things and the odds that either you or your kids will be living in poverty are extremely fucking low.
I would like society as a whole to place as much stigma on having children out of wedlock as they do on say smoking or using the the phrase "that's so gay." I didn't say anything about government intervention my strawman ass fucking Kunt of friend.
You want to knock some chick up at 17 and marry her and life in a trailer park the government will let you.
The other side of the coin is why should the government pay for your shitty choice?
Sven is right. #oldpeopletogitmo
Can't even conceive of something being possible with out the Gubmint forcing you