It appears the tax cuts aren't paying for themselves
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Just wait until Trump gets his reads down.
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"but Obama..." -
I got mine
Cut spending
Tax cuts paying for themselves was never the argument anyway
Tax cuts spurring growth is and its correct
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It's easy to spur growth if you run up the debt for future generations.RaceBannon said:I got mine
Cut spending
Tax cuts paying for themselves was never the argument anyway
Tax cuts spurring growth is and its correct
HTH
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@HoustonHusky true?RaceBannon said:I got mine
Cut spending
Tax cuts paying for themselves was never the argument anyway
Tax cuts spurring growth is and its correct
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Paying for themselves is a democrat argument. Spurring growth is a GOP argument. Basic stuff that even retards from eDuck know, hondo
Spending runs up the debt. Increased growth increases revenue.
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You're welcomeBennyBeaver said:Just wait until Trump gets his reads down.
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"but Obama added ten trillion to the debt..."
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RaceBannon said:
Paying for themselves is a democrat argument. Spurring growth is a GOP argument. Basic stuff that even retards from eDuck know, hondo
Spending runs up the debt. Increased growth increases revenue.
https://youtu.be/rya-fZuMX3M
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2017/12/10/the-tax-cuts-will-pay-for-themselves-if-we-wait-long-enough/#d06e55e11bc8 -
Who?
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You will never "balance the budget" your way out of national debt, both because it's super hard and because politicians are greedy pos who don't pay for the bills they incur.
We do however, have the ability to grow GDP to the point where the debt is back to "acceptable" levels.
This was, and always has been the argument. Even Clinton knew this. -
Didn't seem to be that easy for Obama. Lots of debt, anemic growth. But I agree with Race, lets cut spending. Tell us where you'd like to start.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It's easy to spur growth if you run up the debt for future generations.RaceBannon said:I got mine
Cut spending
Tax cuts paying for themselves was never the argument anyway
Tax cuts spurring growth is and its correct
HTH
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A lot of people run on cutting spending. People you vote for. No one ever does. Except the fucktarded austerity in 2011 or whenever that was.SFGbob said:
Didn't seem to be that easy for Obama. Lots of debt, anemic growth. But I agree with Race, lets cut spending. Tell us where you'd like to start.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It's easy to spur growth if you run up the debt for future generations.RaceBannon said:I got mine
Cut spending
Tax cuts paying for themselves was never the argument anyway
Tax cuts spurring growth is and its correct
HTH
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I'm sorry, as I've already told you, I don't speak dumbfuck. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about but that's okay, neither do you.
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Well we are forecasted to take in slightly more federal revenue in FY 2018 than in FY 2017. Leftards told me that the massive tax cuts would hammer federal revenue. Go figure. Leftards don't do numbers and shit.
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Rightards like to take into account the first 4 months of the year before the tax cut effects and April was payment for 2017 tax code. I have posted monthly revenues. February, March, may, June and July were all lower than last year.WestlinnDuck said:Well we are forecasted to take in slightly more federal revenue in FY 2018 than in FY 2017. Leftards told me that the massive tax cuts would hammer federal revenue. Go figure. Leftards don't do numbers and shit.
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I don't care about fiscal responsibility as long as taxes are low and the leftists cry.
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See you know already what caused it. Don't forget it's harder now because Obingo spent 10 trillion and we have to pay interest on it. HTHBennyBeaver said:Just wait until Trump gets his reads down.
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See?Sledog said:
See you know already what caused it. Don't forget it's harder now because Obingo spent 10 trillion and we have to pay interest on it. HTHBennyBeaver said:Just wait until Trump gets his reads down.
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I said the “models” were wrong fucktard. And was proven correct. God you are a moron.2001400ex said:
@HoustonHusky true?RaceBannon said:I got mine
Cut spending
Tax cuts paying for themselves was never the argument anyway
Tax cuts spurring growth is and its correct
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Did you even read the quote?HoustonHusky said:
I said the “models” were wrong fucktard. And was proven correct. God you are a moron.2001400ex said:
@HoustonHusky true?RaceBannon said:I got mine
Cut spending
Tax cuts paying for themselves was never the argument anyway
Tax cuts spurring growth is and its correct
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Taxes aren’t revenue
Taxes are necessary for common things like roads, police, fire fighters, schools, emergency services, disaster fund, SSI, and reasonable defense. Everything else is legalized theft. -
Taxes should be used as an investment in growing the tax base. Everything you listed offers the stability needed to do that. You also need social programs that help eliminate poverty and offer a massive ROI that makes our economy stronger.greenblood said:Taxes aren’t revenue
Taxes are necessary for common things like roads, police, fire fighters, schools, emergency services, disaster fund, SSI, and reasonable defense. Everything else is legalized theft.
We should make every effort to eliminate poverty, not because it makes you feel good, but because it's the easiest way to grow our economy. -
A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
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Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?SFGbob said:A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty. -
42% of my property tax goes to the school district. I’m already paying for high school.UWhuskytskeet said:
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?SFGbob said:A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty. -
Really?USMChawk said:
42% of my property tax goes to the school district. I’m already paying for high school.UWhuskytskeet said:
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?SFGbob said:A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.Free[Tax-funded] education is a government program used to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging [individual students] for high school? -
Do you consider spending on Education to be welfare? When you were talking about spending on "social programs" in order to eliminate poverty I didn't get the sense that you were talking about public school spending.UWhuskytskeet said:
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?SFGbob said:A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
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Assuming this is a valid solution to poverty (it's not) how do you implement your freedom loving strategy?SFGbob said:
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married. -
Instead of government intervention in welfare. You want government intervention in marriage and family values. To have all of America align their values with yours. Makes sense.SFGbob said:A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty.
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What's the difference? Both are tax-funded efforts in increasing the socioeconomic mobility of the US.SFGbob said:
Do you consider spending on Education to be welfare? When you were talking about spending on "social programs" in order to eliminate poverty I didn't get the sense that you were talking about public school spending.UWhuskytskeet said:
Free education is a government program to help eliminate poverty. You want to start charging for high school?SFGbob said:A government program has to be the absolute worst way to try and eliminate poverty.
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
Poverty in America today is almost solely a function of personal behavior and most social programs act as vehicles that keep people in poverty. -
First of all tell me why it's not a valid solution to deal with poverty? Take a look at the numbers.BennyBeaver said:
Assuming this is a valid solution to poverty (it's not) how do you implement your freedom loving strategy?SFGbob said:
If you really want to do something that will keep people from living in poverty in America today, you'd encourage people to get married before they have kids and then after they are married stay married.
If want to ensure that people in America today don't end up living in poverty you would encourage them to do 4 simple things.
1) Don't drop out of high school.
2) Don't have kids until you're married and once you get married stay married.
3) Get a job, any fucking job and keep it and do not quit that job until you've lined up a better or equal job.
4) Don't abuse drugs and don't abuse alcohol.
Do all of these things and the odds that either you or your kids will be living in poverty are extremely fucking low.
