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Maybe Dems are starting to _get it_

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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    salemcoog said:

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    Clinton was a long time ago and Obama had fuck all to do with any position or policy he ever had.
    They won 4 elections which is the point. How they governed is another story. They didn't won going hard left
    Obama went out of his way to appeal to the hard left.

    Nobody wins without their base. So advising democrats to chase unicorn independent voters and steer away from their base is great advice if you want democrats to lose.
    Disagree. He ran to the middle, because that’s all He had to do to beat McCain after the economy crashed. And THEN, he Governed to the far left. And then the 2010 midterms let him know that shit wasn’t gonna work. And once it was campaign time again, he ran back to the middle for 2012. And THEN!!, was a lame duck for the next 4 years.
    I’m not surprised a racist pos like you has no idea what’s actually happening.

    Nothing says far left like his crowning achievement being a republican healthcare plan from the 90s.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    salemcoog said:

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    Clinton was a long time ago and Obama had fuck all to do with any position or policy he ever had.
    They won 4 elections which is the point. How they governed is another story. They didn't won going hard left
    Obama went out of his way to appeal to the hard left.

    Nobody wins without their base. So advising democrats to chase unicorn independent voters and steer away from their base is great advice if you want democrats to lose.
    Disagree. He ran to the middle, because that’s all He had to do to beat McCain after the economy crashed. And THEN, he Governed to the far left. And then the 2010 midterms let him know that shit wasn’t gonna work. And once it was campaign time again, he ran back to the middle for 2012. And THEN!!, was a lame duck for the next 4 years.
    I’m not surprised a racist pos like you has no idea what’s actually happening.

    Nothing says far left like his crowning achievement being a republican healthcare plan from the 90s.
    The “nappy haired” comment on the other thread was a nice little Don Imus tribute to pair with “minorities get and want free shit” from a few days before. He’s been on quite the racist run recently.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,366

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    Clinton was a long time ago and Obama had fuck all to do with any position or policy he ever had.
    They won 4 elections which is the point. How they governed is another story. They didn't won going hard left
    And a good one at that.

    Answer me this: Who is our? (My Dems) next rainmaker? Asking for several hundred million of us (Voters: legal, alive, or not)
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    salemcoog said:

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    Clinton was a long time ago and Obama had fuck all to do with any position or policy he ever had.
    They won 4 elections which is the point. How they governed is another story. They didn't won going hard left
    Obama went out of his way to appeal to the hard left.

    Nobody wins without their base. So advising democrats to chase unicorn independent voters and steer away from their base is great advice if you want democrats to lose.
    Disagree. He ran to the middle, because that’s all He had to do to beat McCain after the economy crashed. And THEN, he Governed to the far left. And then the 2010 midterms let him know that shit wasn’t gonna work. And once it was campaign time again, he ran back to the middle for 2012. And THEN!!, was a lame duck for the next 4 years.
    I’m not surprised a racist pos like you has no idea what’s actually happening.

    Nothing says far left like his crowning achievement being a republican healthcare plan from the 90s.
    Ah Yes. The Socialists now call it Romneycare instead of Obamacare and call it a policy of the right. L O L!!!

    I’m guessing it’s due to it being his only significant accomplishment in his 8 years. But now they run away from it.

    However our resident Socialists aren’t running away from their number one go to, the race card. As always, good luck the rest of the way.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    Sledog said:

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    They could win poltical power for a variety of reasons (many external), but when it came to exerting political power for their constituency they were woeful.

    Obama got to run against the record of the muslim murder cowboy, McCain-Palin (good lord), and an avatar of corporate greed in Romney. Layups.

    Then when in office both Clinton and Obama governed incredibly conservatively. And now we have a country with the highest level of inequality since the gilded age and a permanent war footing.

    The new deal democrats were able to hold congress for 40+ years because they were accountable to their constituency: the working class. It really is no surprise that democrats have their weakest political power since the early 20th century given the betrayals since ‘92.
    Is that why you went commie?
    You’re defintely too dumb to understand the nuances in left ideology but for the record I’m a democratic socialist which is situated to the right of socialsm and left of social democracy. It’s where the democrats used to be from FDR to LBJ. Back when they gave a shit about organized labor, which was in turn sold out by the “new democrats” and neoliberalism.
    You’d never vote for JKF today
    Interesting assertion. Though I detest the Clintons and what they’ve done to the democratic party over my lifetime I held my nose and voted for her because even neoliberalism is preferable to the current Republican party.

    JFK was Northeast old money like FDR but they both knew what their voters wanted and delivered for them.
    My gawd you are a pretentious cuck.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    Baseman said:

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    Clinton was a long time ago and Obama had fuck all to do with any position or policy he ever had.
    They won 4 elections which is the point. How they governed is another story. They didn't won going hard left
    And a good one at that.

    Answer me this: Who is our? (My Dems) next rainmaker? Asking for several hundred million of us (Voters: legal, alive, or not)
    The centrist/compromise candidate lost to Trump
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,465 Founders Club

    Maybe the election is getting closer?


  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949

    Baseman said:

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    Clinton was a long time ago and Obama had fuck all to do with any position or policy he ever had.
    They won 4 elections which is the point. How they governed is another story. They didn't won going hard left
    And a good one at that.

    Answer me this: Who is our? (My Dems) next rainmaker? Asking for several hundred million of us (Voters: legal, alive, or not)
    The centrist/compromise candidate lost to Trump

    Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. I have no clue what her policies were and dont care
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    Baseman said:

    What has worked for the democrats is Bubba and Obama

    16 years between them

    It's not that hard

    Clinton was a long time ago and Obama had fuck all to do with any position or policy he ever had.
    They won 4 elections which is the point. How they governed is another story. They didn't won going hard left
    And a good one at that.

    Answer me this: Who is our? (My Dems) next rainmaker? Asking for several hundred million of us (Voters: legal, alive, or not)
    The centrist/compromise candidate lost to Trump

    Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. I have no clue what her policies were and dont care
    Clinton’s first year of campaigning attempted to break free of Obama and run a centrist campaign. But once things got tight, she simply parroted Obama the last 2 months of the campaign as she circled down the drain.
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    edited August 2018
    The hail mary race card has been busted out


  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,366
    May as well not even hold the election
  • SarkFanSixtyNineSarkFanSixtyNine Member Posts: 369

    God damn I hope they do

    I swear to God people legitimately think the Dems going further left will help.


    I would like a split in the Dems and maybe one comes out normal.

    they do
    they view hillary clinton as a failure of centrism and not a failure of unfathomably corrupt impossibly unlikable politician

    i listen to some gay commie podcast called chapo trap house that makes a mil a year from people i cant comprehend and they repeat this belief constantly
  • SarkFanSixtyNineSarkFanSixtyNine Member Posts: 369
    biden would have shat on trump in 2016 and any reasonable charming person would dominate in 2020 but they are going to run some obnoxious unqualified mixed race empowered womyn instead because they are now dominated by dogmatic marxist lunatics
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,150 Standard Supporter

    biden would have shat on trump in 2016 and any reasonable charming person would dominate in 2020 but they are going to run some obnoxious unqualified mixed race empowered womyn instead because they are now dominated by dogmatic marxist lunatics

    ^^^This.

    Politics is still the 8th grade class president election. Most popular kid wins.

  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    God damn I hope they do

    I swear to God people legitimately think the Dems going further left will help.


    I would like a split in the Dems and maybe one comes out normal.

    they do
    they view hillary clinton as a failure of centrism and not a failure of unfathomably corrupt impossibly unlikable politician

    i listen to some gay commie podcast called chapo trap house that makes a mil a year from people i cant comprehend and they repeat this belief constantly
    Centrism has given rise to the “unfathomably corrupt” DC creature like Hillary. The Clintons are a product of that political culture, similar to Blair in the UK. Labour got it right by purging most of the Blairites and electing Corbyn to lead the party, and they made massive gains in the 2017 general and are favorites to win the next. The same is happening here, more gradually, in the democratic party and their adoption of Sanders wing policies.

    But sure, the democratic party should heed the advice by someone who describes things as “gay commies”
  • SarkFanSixtyNineSarkFanSixtyNine Member Posts: 369

    God damn I hope they do

    I swear to God people legitimately think the Dems going further left will help.


    I would like a split in the Dems and maybe one comes out normal.

    they do
    they view hillary clinton as a failure of centrism and not a failure of unfathomably corrupt impossibly unlikable politician

    i listen to some gay commie podcast called chapo trap house that makes a mil a year from people i cant comprehend and they repeat this belief constantly
    Centrism has given rise to the “unfathomably corrupt” DC creature like Hillary. The Clintons are a product of that political culture, similar to Blair in the UK. Labour got it right by purging most of the Blairites and electing Corbyn to lead the party, and they made massive gains in the 2017 general and are favorites to win the next. The same is happening here, more gradually, in the democratic party and their adoption of Sanders wing policies.

    But sure, the democratic party should heed the advice by someone who describes things as “gay commies”
    yea because there are no uncorrupt centrists
    terrible logic
    gay commie detected
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    God damn I hope they do

    I swear to God people legitimately think the Dems going further left will help.


    I would like a split in the Dems and maybe one comes out normal.

    they do
    they view hillary clinton as a failure of centrism and not a failure of unfathomably corrupt impossibly unlikable politician

    i listen to some gay commie podcast called chapo trap house that makes a mil a year from people i cant comprehend and they repeat this belief constantly
    Centrism has given rise to the “unfathomably corrupt” DC creature like Hillary. The Clintons are a product of that political culture, similar to Blair in the UK. Labour got it right by purging most of the Blairites and electing Corbyn to lead the party, and they made massive gains in the 2017 general and are favorites to win the next. The same is happening here, more gradually, in the democratic party and their adoption of Sanders wing policies.

    But sure, the democratic party should heed the advice by someone who describes things as “gay commies”
    yea because there are no uncorrupt centrists
    terrible logic
    gay commie detected
    Your example of a centrist who could win was Joe Biden, who is hilariously compromised by the credit card companies and their relationship to Delaware, and who has flamed out each time he previously ran for president.
  • SarkFanSixtyNineSarkFanSixtyNine Member Posts: 369

    God damn I hope they do

    I swear to God people legitimately think the Dems going further left will help.


    I would like a split in the Dems and maybe one comes out normal.

    they do
    they view hillary clinton as a failure of centrism and not a failure of unfathomably corrupt impossibly unlikable politician

    i listen to some gay commie podcast called chapo trap house that makes a mil a year from people i cant comprehend and they repeat this belief constantly
    Centrism has given rise to the “unfathomably corrupt” DC creature like Hillary. The Clintons are a product of that political culture, similar to Blair in the UK. Labour got it right by purging most of the Blairites and electing Corbyn to lead the party, and they made massive gains in the 2017 general and are favorites to win the next. The same is happening here, more gradually, in the democratic party and their adoption of Sanders wing policies.

    But sure, the democratic party should heed the advice by someone who describes things as “gay commies”
    yea because there are no uncorrupt centrists
    terrible logic
    gay commie detected
    Your example of a centrist who could win was Joe Biden, who is hilariously compromised by the credit card companies and their relationship to Delaware, and who has flamed out each time he previously ran for president.
    ANY reasonable person with any charm at all would have won with ease. My biden example is irrelevant other than him being the first name from 2016 that I remembered.
    biden didn't go from broke to billions.
    biden wouldn't have repulsed working class midwesterners.
    He's one of thousands of people that would have won that presidential election easily.

    "The most important states, though, were Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes"
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