The biggest thing Reagan did was shake off the shit dust from the woe-is-me, we sucked in Vietnam, pansy ass Carter apologetic stance.
Between the Iran hostages release, kicking the Ruskies ass getting by Finland in the gold medal round then laying waste to Grenada (USA! USA! USA!), Reagan got 'Murica feeling good about itself again.
Obama had the opportunity but he pissed it away being an intellectual utopian and social justice dolt.
Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?
True colors revealed
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a conservative who is known to wander about on some issues.
Reagan was a good president because he respected markets and private property. It was a bad move to invite the fundies into the tent. What happened in the end was just biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
I wouldn't want New Deal as a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?
True colors revealed
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a man with solid conservative creds but who has wandered about on various issues.
Reagan was a good president in my eyes because he respected markets and private property. Reagan, as others have pointed out, was a bad president because he invited the fundies into the tent. What happened to him in the end was just a matter of biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
The New Deal is not something I'd want to be a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
Wow
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?
True colors revealed
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a man with solid conservative creds but who has wandered about on various issues.
Reagan was a good president in my eyes because he respected markets and private property. Reagan, as others have pointed out, was a bad president because he invited the fundies into the tent. What happened to him in the end was just a matter of biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
The New Deal is not something I'd want to be a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
Wow
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
I'm in my club. Fuck the rest of you
Race has always been right on this one- i.e., FDR and saving the Republic from radicals. The New Deal didn't end the depression; Hitler and Tojo made that possible. Military spending is the greatest Keynesian stimulus of them all. But his brilliance as a politician was making the common man feel like we were "doing something".
Fun fact: some of that "doing something" - e.g., Bonneville and Grand Coulee Dams - enabled us? to win WWII years a head of schedule. Takes a shit ton of juice to make aluminum and plutonium and of the warring powers we? were the only ones who had an ample amount of spare cheap electricity.
Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?
True colors revealed
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a man with solid conservative creds but who has wandered about on various issues.
Reagan was a good president in my eyes because he respected markets and private property. Reagan, as others have pointed out, was a bad president because he invited the fundies into the tent. What happened to him in the end was just a matter of biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
The New Deal is not something I'd want to be a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
Wow
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
I'm in my club. Fuck the rest of you
Damone is a huge fucking pussy so I wouldn't worry about that useless faggot down voting anything.
1) Lincoln 2) Worshtington 3) Teddy 4) FDR 5) Jefferson 6) Adams 7) Jackson 8) Reagan 9) Truman 10) LBJ
Reagan? lol
Reagan did a lot of FS shit and he was basically a total disaster, but how can anyone here forgive him for legitimizing and bringing to the center of American politics the fucking evangelicals?
1. Trump - pulled (pulls?) more hot ass than JFK could have ever hoped for.
2. JFK - Squish pulling cut short. He may have lived long enough to have bagged Liz Hurley, too.
3. Clinton - true horn dog. But lacking in overall quality. Liz and Gina Gershon helped him make a late run but, well, Paula fucking Jones and Lewinsky. Christ.
4. Reagan - people forget he rolled Hollywood style in his youth. Jane Wyman was a hottie in the 40's. Nancy snuck in and Ronnie's throbber followed.
5. FDR - Got hummers in a wheelchair from Lucy Mercer right underneath Eleanor's nose. That is balls.
6. Ike - you know he was getting some French strange while repatriating Europe.
7. Truman - he spent his late teens and early 20's running a shop in a semi red light district in Kansas City. Guessing he bartered goods for services on occasion.
9. GWBush and GHWBush (tie) - the fact they each had multiple kids proves they fucked at least a few times. No evidence of quantity, quality or particular horn doggedness.
10. Carter - he fucked once and procreated that ugly as a mudhen Amy. He says he lusted in his heart. I don't believe it.
1) Lincoln 2) Worshtington 3) Teddy 4) FDR 5) Jefferson 6) Adams 7) Jackson 8) Reagan 9) Truman 10) LBJ
Reagan? lol
Reagan did a lot of FS shit and he was basically a total disaster, but how can anyone here forgive him for legitimizing and bringing to the center of American politics the fucking evangelicals?
FFS.
The fuck? You sound like some crotchety, ivory tower, lefty academic type with this nonsense. Reagan got 2 of the top 4 wins by a President of the past 50 years- i.e., ending stagflation and winning the Cold War (the other 2 are LBJs Civil Rights legislation and Nixon opening China and splitting them off from the Soviets). Yeah, the fundies sucked - and you know I hate them as much as any man here - but wins are wins and the history on this is clear.
Reagan did a lot of great things, including being an inspirational leader. The country needed him at that time, someone strong to provide stability. And for that he succeeded.
I do chuckle tho when people romanticize his presidency and forget that the national debt exploded under him, mortgage interest rates were well into the double digits, the way the war on drugs was carried out was lame, and the divide between wealthy and poor exploded under him.
Mortgage rates came down signifigantly under his Presidency. Inflation was curbed. Personal income rose and unemployment fell.
He came along at a time when America was a drunken bum who woke up in the alley dusting itself off. There was Vietnam, the horrible Economy and even the Middle East eating our lunch with the embarrassment of not being able to free our hostages. OPEC also held the US hostage in the years before that with the energy crisis. We began to see that if we didn't go after our own reserves, that this would happen again and again. You can credit him for your cheap gas now. Or at least starting the drill baby drill. And this is what has crippled Russia in the recent years. Persuading the Saudis to glut the market and also increased production here domestically.
The 70's were a rough time for America. Most of the snots here think that this is the worst time for America. But it's fucking utopia compared to the 70's. The economy sucked. Crime ran rampant and America couldn't hardly look itself in the mirror. Under Reagan, the Country restored it's place as the bully on the block.
Reagan did reinvent the deficit spending game however but you we don't break the Russians without doing some of that. However He is a top 10 President no matter how you snotters hate it.
1) Lincoln 2) Worshtington 3) Teddy 4) FDR 5) Jefferson 6) Adams 7) Jackson 8) Reagan 9) Truman 10) LBJ
Reagan? lol
Reagan did a lot of FS shit and he was basically a total disaster, but how can anyone here forgive him for legitimizing and bringing to the center of American politics the fucking evangelicals?
FFS.
The fuck? You sound like some crotchety, ivory tower, lefty academic type with this nonsense. Reagan got 2 of the top 4 wins by a President of the past 50 years- i.e., ending stagflation and winning the Cold War (the other 2 are LBJs Civil Rights legislation and Nixon opening China and splitting them off from the Soviets). Yeah, the fundies sucked - and you know I hate them as much as any man here - but wins are wins and the history on this is clear.
Reagan did a lot of great things, including being an inspirational leader. The country needed him at that time, someone strong to provide stability. And for that he succeeded.
I do chuckle tho when people romanticize his presidency and forget that the national debt exploded under him, mortgage interest rates were well into the double digits, the way the war on drugs was carried out was lame, and the divide between wealthy and poor exploded under him.
Mortgage rates came down signifigantly under his Presidency. Inflation was curbed. Personal income rose and unemployment fell.
He came along at a time when America was a drunken bum who woke up in the alley dusting itself off. There was Vietnam, the horrible Economy and even the Middle East eating our lunch with the embarrassment of not being able to free our hostages. OPEC also held the US hostage in the years before that with the energy crisis. We began to see that if we didn't go after our own reserves, that this would happen again and again. You can credit him for your cheap gas now. Or at least starting the drill baby drill. And this is what has crippled Russia in the recent years. Persuading the Saudis to glut the market and also increased production here domestically.
The 70's were a rough time for America. Most of the snots here think that this is the worst time for America. But it's fucking utopia compared to the 70's. The economy sucked. Crime ran rampant and America couldn't hardly look itself in the mirror. Under Reagan, the Country restored it's place as the bully on the block.
Reagan did reinvent the deficit spending game however but you we don't break the Russians without doing some of that. However He is a top 10 President no matter how you snotters hate it.
Lol at race's link, mortgage rates were over 10% most of his presidency and when into 1990 (some months it dropped under 10 then went back up).
But yes, Reagan was in charged coming off a tough decade economically. And cutting taxes to make them less confiscatory helped in that. Along with things out of his control like the oil crisis being over.
Reagan did some good things and part of his tax cuts were even good. I'm just saying, people romanticize his presidency that they can't see any fault in his ways either. Like Race.
1) Lincoln 2) Worshtington 3) Teddy 4) FDR 5) Jefferson 6) Adams 7) Jackson 8) Reagan 9) Truman 10) LBJ
Reagan? lol
Reagan did a lot of FS shit and he was basically a total disaster, but how can anyone here forgive him for legitimizing and bringing to the center of American politics the fucking evangelicals?
FFS.
The fuck? You sound like some crotchety, ivory tower, lefty academic type with this nonsense. Reagan got 2 of the top 4 wins by a President of the past 50 years- i.e., ending stagflation and winning the Cold War (the other 2 are LBJs Civil Rights legislation and Nixon opening China and splitting them off from the Soviets). Yeah, the fundies sucked - and you know I hate them as much as any man here - but wins are wins and the history on this is clear.
Reagan did a lot of great things, including being an inspirational leader. The country needed him at that time, someone strong to provide stability. And for that he succeeded.
I do chuckle tho when people romanticize his presidency and forget that the national debt exploded under him, mortgage interest rates were well into the double digits, the way the war on drugs was carried out was lame, and the divide between wealthy and poor exploded under him.
Mortgage rates came down signifigantly under his Presidency. Inflation was curbed. Personal income rose and unemployment fell.
He came along at a time when America was a drunken bum who woke up in the alley dusting itself off. There was Vietnam, the horrible Economy and even the Middle East eating our lunch with the embarrassment of not being able to free our hostages. OPEC also held the US hostage in the years before that with the energy crisis. We began to see that if we didn't go after our own reserves, that this would happen again and again. You can credit him for your cheap gas now. Or at least starting the drill baby drill. And this is what has crippled Russia in the recent years. Persuading the Saudis to glut the market and also increased production here domestically.
The 70's were a rough time for America. Most of the snots here think that this is the worst time for America. But it's fucking utopia compared to the 70's. The economy sucked. Crime ran rampant and America couldn't hardly look itself in the mirror. Under Reagan, the Country restored it's place as the bully on the block.
Reagan did reinvent the deficit spending game however but you we don't break the Russians without doing some of that. However He is a top 10 President no matter how you snotters hate it.
@salemcoog gets it and thus an invite to the higher lever history discussion bored. I had high hopes for @creepycoug but you're letting me down today with lack of requisite FDR and Reagan fluffing. Back to the Philosopher King Society for you, Creep.
Listen here assholes, Top Gun doesn't get made without Reagan as President and I patterned half my life after that movie, with cocaine and booze being the other half. So fuck all ya'll who aren't down with the Gipper.
Listen here assholes, Top Gun doesn't get made without Reagan as President and I patterned half my life after that movie, with cocaine and booze being the other half. So fuck all ya'll who aren't down with the Gipper.
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Between the Iran hostages release, kicking the Ruskies ass getting by Finland in the gold medal round then laying waste to Grenada (USA! USA! USA!), Reagan got 'Murica feeling good about itself again.
Obama had the opportunity but he pissed it away being an intellectual utopian and social justice dolt.
Ergo - Trump.
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a conservative who is known to wander about on some issues.
Reagan was a good president because he respected markets and private property. It was a bad move to invite the fundies into the tent. What happened in the end was just biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
I wouldn't want New Deal as a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
I'm in my club. Fuck the rest of you
Thanks for playing.
So I did address your post
So you did lie again
I like to call me senile when you are the idiot that can't follow a thread
Fun fact: some of that "doing something" - e.g., Bonneville and Grand Coulee Dams - enabled us? to win WWII years a head of schedule. Takes a shit ton of juice to make aluminum and plutonium and of the warring powers we? were the only ones who had an ample amount of spare cheap electricity.
1. Trump - pulled (pulls?) more hot ass than JFK could have ever hoped for.
2. JFK - Squish pulling cut short. He may have lived long enough to have bagged Liz Hurley, too.
3. Clinton - true horn dog. But lacking in overall quality. Liz and Gina Gershon helped him make a late run but, well, Paula fucking Jones and Lewinsky. Christ.
4. Reagan - people forget he rolled Hollywood style in his youth. Jane Wyman was a hottie in the 40's. Nancy snuck in and Ronnie's throbber followed.
5. FDR - Got hummers in a wheelchair from Lucy Mercer right underneath Eleanor's nose. That is balls.
6. Ike - you know he was getting some French strange while repatriating Europe.
7. Truman - he spent his late teens and early 20's running a shop in a semi red light district in Kansas City. Guessing he bartered goods for services on occasion.
9. GWBush and GHWBush (tie) - the fact they each had multiple kids proves they fucked at least a few times. No evidence of quantity, quality or particular horn doggedness.
10. Carter - he fucked once and procreated that ugly as a mudhen Amy. He says he lusted in his heart. I don't believe it.
He came along at a time when America was a drunken bum who woke up in the alley dusting itself off. There was Vietnam, the horrible Economy and even the Middle East eating our lunch with the embarrassment of not being able to free our hostages. OPEC also held the US hostage in the years before that with the energy crisis. We began to see that if we didn't go after our own reserves, that this would happen again and again. You can credit him for your cheap gas now. Or at least starting the drill baby drill. And this is what has crippled Russia in the recent years. Persuading the Saudis to glut the market and also increased production here domestically.
The 70's were a rough time for America. Most of the snots here think that this is the worst time for America. But it's fucking utopia compared to the 70's. The economy sucked. Crime ran rampant and America couldn't hardly look itself in the mirror. Under Reagan, the Country restored it's place as the bully on the block.
Reagan did reinvent the deficit spending game however but you we don't break the Russians without doing some of that. However He is a top 10 President no matter how you snotters hate it.
But yes, Reagan was in charged coming off a tough decade economically. And cutting taxes to make them less confiscatory helped in that. Along with things out of his control like the oil crisis being over.
Reagan did some good things and part of his tax cuts were even good. I'm just saying, people romanticize his presidency that they can't see any fault in his ways either. Like Race.