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Republicans vs. Democrats: The Presidents

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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,946
    salemcoog said:

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Reagan was garbage
    He broke the Russians.


    For that alone he gets the at large bid.
    Another theory, which I'm somewhat persuaded by, is that their time was up sooner or later for organic reasons, not for Reagan reasons.

    The theory, which buys Marxism an "out", is this: they rushed into communism w/o going through a full stage of capitalism, which as we all know does wonders to eliminate scarcity. They hopped over capitalism from a feudal system and tried to make it work. The Communist Manifesto supports doing this. The German Ideaology and Das Kapital, do not.

    The doctrine of historical materialism and its prediction of a socialist utopia depends a great deal, or entirely, on the concept of technological advancement. You saw this expressed through Soviet Russia's near obsession with doing great public works. The idea is that, once you get to some magical place where technology can eliminate scarcity, people won't have to compete for their existence, and can instead go off and self-actualize, because I guess we call all just wander into these make-believe warehouses and get whatever we need whenever we want to. Whatever. Who's really to say what the world will look like in 1,000 years anyway.

    But the basic notion here would be that they tried central planning before they could pull it off. That, and they were surrounded by hostile interests who didn't trade with them and who cut them off economically, or tried to. In the end, the theory goes, Russia's failure was less a failure of communism as a theory, and more a failure of timing. Either way, these people would say Reagan was just at the right place at the right time and drafted behind history.

    Creep out.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    salemcoog said:

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Reagan was garbage
    He broke the Russians.


    For that alone he gets the at large bid.
    I thought communism broke Russia?
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,940 Founders Club

    salemcoog said:

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Reagan was garbage
    He broke the Russians.


    For that alone he gets the at large bid.
    Another theory, which I'm somewhat persuaded by, is that their time was up sooner or later for organic reasons, not for Reagan reasons.

    The theory, which buys Marxism an "out", is this: they rushed into communism w/o going through a full stage of capitalism, which as we all know does wonders to eliminate scarcity. They hopped over capitalism from a feudal system and tried to make it work. The Communist Manifesto supports doing this. The German Ideaology and Das Kapital, do not.

    The doctrine of historical materialism and its prediction of a socialist utopia depends a great deal, or entirely, on the concept of technological advancement. You saw this expressed through Soviet Russia's near obsession with doing great public works. The idea is that, once you get to some magical place where technology can eliminate scarcity, people won't have to compete for their existence, and can instead go off and self-actualize, because I guess we call all just wander into these make-believe warehouses and get whatever we need whenever we want to. Whatever. Who's really to say what the world will look like in 1,000 years anyway.

    But the basic notion here would be that they tried central planning before they could pull it off. That, and they were surrounded by hostile interests who didn't trade with them and who cut them off economically, or tried to. In the end, the theory goes, Russia's failure was less a failure of communism as a theory, and more a failure of timing. Either way, these people would say Reagan was just at the right place at the right time and drafted behind history.

    Creep out.
    A key part of being President is simply to not fuck up and draft up history.

    His greatest achievement might have been giving Volckler the political cover needed to end stagflation.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,526 Standard Supporter

    Since 1960 the match up is even

    Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Obama

    Nixon, Ford (shouldn't count) Reagan, Bush, Bush. Trump broke the tie

    the years were even going into the last election too

    GOPs have too much down low on the block. Reagan and Ford would just go to town on Carter and Johnson.

    And despite having two black guys in Clinton and Obama, Obama can only go left and has that ugly ass cross-face fling shot.

    You know George Herbert Walker Bush has a sweet one handed set shot to open up the inside game, too.

    Kennedy could off but was prone to back injuries.

    Nixon and Trump would use all 10 fouls available.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Reagan? lol

    Reagan did a lot of FS shit and he was basically a total disaster, but how can anyone here forgive him for legitimizing and bringing to the center of American politics the fucking evangelicals?

    FFS.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,526 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Great list. Except Jackson. Racist.
    You at least must respect the bad ass motherfucker. The top two were racists as well by virtue of slave ownership. But props to Jefferson for banging that little tart Sally Hemings.

    Gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields
    Sold in the market down in New Orleans
    Scarred old slaver knows he's doin' all right
    Hear him whip the women just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
    Drums beatin' cold, English blood runs hot
    Lady of the house wonderin' when it's gonna stop
    House boy knows that he's doin' all right
    You should have heard him just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,664 Standard Supporter
    Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.

    Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,946
    LebamDawg said:

    Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.

    Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?

    In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,473 Founders Club

    LebamDawg said:

    Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.

    Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?

    In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?
    True colors revealed

    When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen

    People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy

    Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,946

    LebamDawg said:

    Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.

    Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?

    In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?
    Plus, he was getting strange in a wheel chair. And Kennedy had more of it than all of us put together. Much respeck.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,473 Founders Club
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,946
    dnc said:

    salemcoog said:

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Reagan was garbage
    He broke the Russians.


    For that alone he gets the at large bid.
    Another theory, which I'm somewhat persuaded by, is that their time was up sooner or later for organic reasons, not for Reagan reasons.

    The theory, which buys Marxism an "out", is this: they rushed into communism w/o going through a full stage of capitalism, which as we all know does wonders to eliminate scarcity. They hopped over capitalism from a feudal system and tried to make it work. The Communist Manifesto supports doing this. The German Ideaology and Das Kapital, do not.

    The doctrine of historical materialism and its prediction of a socialist utopia depends a great deal, or entirely, on the concept of technological advancement. You saw this expressed through Soviet Russia's near obsession with doing great public works. The idea is that, once you get to some magical place where technology can eliminate scarcity, people won't have to compete for their existence, and can instead go off and self-actualize, because I guess we call all just wander into these make-believe warehouses and get whatever we need whenever we want to. Whatever. Who's really to say what the world will look like in 1,000 years anyway.

    But the basic notion here would be that they tried central planning before they could pull it off. That, and they were surrounded by hostile interests who didn't trade with them and who cut them off economically, or tried to. In the end, the theory goes, Russia's failure was less a failure of communism as a theory, and more a failure of timing. Either way, these people would say Reagan was just at the right place at the right time and drafted behind history.

    Creep out.
    Lincoln was just in the right place at the right time.

    Washington was just in the right place at the right time.

    FDR was just in the right place at the right time.

    Timing is a massive fucking part of legacy. You still have to capitalize on it though.
    Pressing. And missing the point. It's just another perspective. I promise, it won't hurt us.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,940 Founders Club

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Reagan? lol

    Reagan did a lot of FS shit and he was basically a total disaster, but how can anyone here forgive him for legitimizing and bringing to the center of American politics the fucking evangelicals?

    FFS.
    The fuck? You sound like some crotchety, ivory tower, lefty academic type with this nonsense. Reagan got 2 of the top 4 wins by a President of the past 50 years- i.e., ending stagflation and winning the Cold War (the other 2 are LBJs Civil Rights legislation and Nixon opening China and splitting them off from the Soviets). Yeah, the fundies sucked - and you know I hate them as much as any man here - but wins are wins and the history on this is clear.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    The Official YellowSnow POTUS Top 10

    1) Lincoln
    2) Worshtington
    3) Teddy
    4) FDR
    5) Jefferson
    6) Adams
    7) Jackson
    8) Reagan
    9) Truman
    10) LBJ

    Reagan? lol

    Reagan did a lot of FS shit and he was basically a total disaster, but how can anyone here forgive him for legitimizing and bringing to the center of American politics the fucking evangelicals?

    FFS.
    The fuck? You sound like some crotchety, ivory tower, lefty academic type with this nonsense. Reagan got 2 of the top 4 wins by a President of the past 50 years- i.e., ending stagflation and winning the Cold War (the other 2 are LBJs Civil Rights legislation and Nixon opening China and splitting them off from the Soviets). Yeah, the fundies sucked - and you know I hate them as much as any man here - but wins are wins and the history on this is clear.
    Reagan did a lot of great things, including being an inspirational leader. The country needed him at that time, someone strong to provide stability. And for that he succeeded.

    I do chuckle tho when people romanticize his presidency and forget that the national debt exploded under him, mortgage interest rates were well into the double digits, the way the war on drugs was carried out was lame, and the divide between wealthy and poor exploded under him.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,473 Founders Club
    They were double digits when he was elected but still

    And they went down

    They didn't hit single until 1991

    The Reagan recovery puts Obama to shame

    freddiemac.com/pmms/pmms30.html
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited March 2018

    They were double digits when he was elected but still

    And they went down

    They didn't hit single until 1991

    The Reagan recovery puts Obama to shame

    freddiemac.com/pmms/pmms30.html

    You actually didn't address one of my comments. But thanks for showing your head is firmly planted up Reagan's ass.
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