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People need to pay their fair share of taxes

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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,000
    edited January 2018

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.

    If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.

    Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?

    Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,000

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
    So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.

    The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.

    For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886

    And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!

    Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.


    Nega, please.




    Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.
    So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.

    Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.

    Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.

    I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,000

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    The blue states could also help out its citizens by lowering their state taxes. Just a suggestion...
    Or we could downsize the role of the federal government to common defense and currency management— essentially eliminating the entire wasteful federal edifice — and let States govern themselves how they want. Just a suggestion. You and California can finally be free of each other.

    Btw, sen. Cornyn just said he anticipates at least two more FY2018 CRs on top of the four passed already. What’s the point? Just shut it all down once and for all in the name of common sense and efficiency.
    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.

    Worked well in Kansas.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,965
    2001400ex said:

    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.

    Worked well in Kansas.
    The time and true HondoFS response completely oblivious to reality, as if Kansas is in some kind of crisis compared states (in real trouble) like Illinois.

    https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,668 Standard Supporter

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.

    If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.

    Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?

    Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
    I'm sorry you hate maff too.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.

    Worked well in Kansas.
    The time and true HondoFS response completely oblivious to reality, as if Kansas is in some kind of crisis compared states (in real trouble) like Illinois.

    https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
    The discussion was not about the financial health of the state. Thanks for playing tho.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,229 Standard Supporter
    I'm in favor of retroactive abortions. But then this place wouldn't exist.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    I'm in favor of retroactive abortions. But then this place wouldn't exist.

    You are not the reason this place exists.

    HTH
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,229 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    I'm in favor of retroactive abortions. But then this place wouldn't exist.

    You are not the reason this place exists.

    HTH
    Sure I am. I'm impotent!
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,000

    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats guvment in general.

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,000
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    I'm in favor of retroactive abortions. But then this place wouldn't exist.

    You are not the reason this place exists.

    HTH
    Sure I am. I'm impotent!
    omnipotent maybe?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,000

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.

    If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.

    Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?

    Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
    I'm sorry you hate maff too.

    One word: states' rights.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    I'm in favor of retroactive abortions. But then this place wouldn't exist.

    You are not the reason this place exists.

    HTH
    Sure I am. I'm impotent!
    omnipotent maybe?
    he was right the first tim
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,029 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
    So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.

    The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.

    For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886

    And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!

    Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.


    Nega, please.




    Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.
    So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.

    Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.

    Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.

    I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
    Selfish POYD IMO!!

    The critique I will always make of your Creepy logic - as much as I agree with some of the sentiment - is that there's always going to be a high social cost (i.e., crime, drug abuse, etc.) associated with too many of your brothers in Aberdeen, Salem, etc. sitting around on their asses with nothing to do. We have to DO SOMETHING to figure out how we are going to get working age males (blacks and whites) back into the labor market.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,668 Standard Supporter

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.

    If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.

    Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?

    Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
    I'm sorry you hate maff too.

    One word: states' rights.
    So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.

    Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.

    Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.

  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,000

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
    So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.

    The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.

    For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886

    And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!

    Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.


    Nega, please.




    Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.
    So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.

    Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.

    Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.

    I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
    Selfish POYD IMO!!

    The critique I will always make of your Creepy logic - as much as I agree with some of the sentiment - is that there's always going to be a high social cost (i.e., crime, drug abuse, etc.) associated with too many of your brothers in Aberdeen, Salem, etc. sitting around on their asses with nothing to do. We have to DO SOMETHING to figure out how we are going to get working age males (blacks and whites) back into the labor market.
    No!!!!!!!!!! "WE" don't have to do anything. If you're losing sleep over it, it sounds like you and your row boat friends need to DO SOMETHING.

    I'll take care of me; you take care of you and whatever else you care about.

    That, my freng, is the American way. I didn't write the rules. My immigrant family and I just read them, played by them, and won ... BIGLY.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.

    If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.

    Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?

    Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
    I'm sorry you hate maff too.

    One word: states' rights.
    So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.

    Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.

    Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.

    Federal taxes are confiscatory, by definition.

    Other than for defense, what if anything worthwhile does it pay for? Californians already pay a disproportionate share of the money to pay for the boondoggles you apparently support.

    My state and local taxes pay for public, health, safety, roads, water and power.

    Shut the wasteful, useless federal government down.
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