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People need to pay their fair share of taxes
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oregonblitzkrieg said:One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of
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omnipotent maybe?Sledog said: -
One word: states' rights.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sorry you hate maff too.creepycoug said:
Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.
Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?
Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please. -
he was right the first timcreepycoug said: -
Selfish POYD IMO!!creepycoug said:
Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.PurpleThrobber said:
So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.2001400ex said:
Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.PurpleThrobber said:
So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.2001400ex said:
To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.
For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886
And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!
Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.
Nega, please.
Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.
I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
The critique I will always make of your Creepy logic - as much as I agree with some of the sentiment - is that there's always going to be a high social cost (i.e., crime, drug abuse, etc.) associated with too many of your brothers in Aberdeen, Salem, etc. sitting around on their asses with nothing to do. We have to DO SOMETHING to figure out how we are going to get working age males (blacks and whites) back into the labor market. -
So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.creepycoug said:
One word: states' rights.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sorry you hate maff too.creepycoug said:
Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.
Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?
Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.
Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.
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No!!!!!!!!!! "WE" don't have to do anything. If you're losing sleep over it, it sounds like you and your row boat friends need to DO SOMETHING.YellowSnow said:
Selfish POYD IMO!!creepycoug said:
Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.PurpleThrobber said:
So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.2001400ex said:
Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.PurpleThrobber said:
So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.2001400ex said:
To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.
For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886
And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!
Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.
Nega, please.
Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.
I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
The critique I will always make of your Creepy logic - as much as I agree with some of the sentiment - is that there's always going to be a high social cost (i.e., crime, drug abuse, etc.) associated with too many of your brothers in Aberdeen, Salem, etc. sitting around on their asses with nothing to do. We have to DO SOMETHING to figure out how we are going to get working age males (blacks and whites) back into the labor market.
I'll take care of me; you take care of you and whatever else you care about.
That, my freng, is the American way. I didn't write the rules. My immigrant family and I just read them, played by them, and won ... BIGLY.
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Federal taxes are confiscatory, by definition.PurpleThrobber said:
So the federal government has more right California has less rights to one's income than a person in Montana.creepycoug said:
One word: states' rights.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sorry you hate maff too.creepycoug said:
Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.PurpleThrobber said:
Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?2001400ex said:Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.
If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.
Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?
Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
Speak Engrish, man. Or use Excel.
Math isn't a state's rights issue. If you want to tax the fuck out of your state, go for it. But you shouldn't get credit for it at a higher tax benefit than a non-tax-the-fuck-out-state at the federal level.
Other than for defense, what if anything worthwhile does it pay for? Californians already pay a disproportionate share of the money to pay for the boondoggles you apparently support.
My state and local taxes pay for public, health, safety, roads, water and power.
Shut the wasteful, useless federal government down.
