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Nearly 50% of Millennials Reject Capitalism

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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    And builders don't need incentives to make money. That's hondo fucking stupid

    Congrats

    He didn't say builders needed incentives to make money. Read his quote again.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,033
    edited January 2018
    2001400ex said:

    And builders don't need incentives to make money. That's hondo fucking stupid

    Congrats

    He didn't say builders needed incentives to make money. Read his quote again.
    Race just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, and not necessarily because he actually belives what he says.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    And builders don't need incentives to make money. That's hondo fucking stupid

    Congrats

    He didn't say builders needed incentives to make money. Read his quote again.
    Race just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, and not necessarily because he actually belives what he says.
    I picture Race shaking his fist cussing out the clouds half the day when he's not on here.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited January 2018

    Sledog said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Millennials know:

    20 years of pointless war that was costing over $1B a day at it's peak.

    The housing bubble where rich people robbed the American public and the government paid them back 100 cents on the dollar for any short term loss.

    Crippling student loan debt to get a job that previous generations never needed a formal education to do, yet still did the job equally well.

    There is no more competition. Amazon, Google, eBay, and Netflix won. Seriously, what business are you going to start that some titan doesn't already have a complete monopoly on? A good capitalistic environment is supposed to motivate people to create a job instead of finding one, which went away 40 years ago.

    We are generally viewed negatively by most of the established world.

    We completely destroyed an entire continent in their lifetime and stirred up a hornets nest that brings terror to everyone's door step.

    We can't spare $4M for Meals on Wheels but we need $65B more annually for defense. You know, cause the......fuck we're out of enemies.

    The quality of life between working your ass off and not working at all is pretty similar.

    Trying to save money with a meager salary to enjoy life when it's already over instead of using it while you can enjoy it is fucking stupid. All you are doing it making someone else rich.

    If you work really hard you can be rich one day! 99.9% false.


    I can keep going. Millennials are a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. They're the best bullshit detectors this nation has ever produced.

    Most things on your list were previously satisfied by having common sense, a strong work ethic and life experience. All traits millennials have little of and try to replace it with shitty education in stupid fields.
    Their educations are actually better, more enhanced by technology and, again, efficient access to relevant information, and there are more options than ever. You do realize that if you go back far enough the only thing anyone studied was Classics (which is still a worthy thing in and of itself, but that's another thread).

    Their education isn't better if nearly half of them support socialism, nearly 10 percent of them want to live under a repressive communist regime, and most of them don't know who Mao Zedong was. It's not that difficult. His mugshot is only hanging in the most conspicuous location in all of China, Tiananmen Square. The education system is clearly broken and needs to DIAFF in its current form.




  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    BearsWiin said:

    I don't agree with @Sledog . The millennials I have worked with lived n the film room and are more than willing to do what it takes to win. Nothing has changed

    I graduated high school in 1974 as America was descending in to hell. Guess what? Hard work still worked. Always has, always will

    its idiots like mooster running around saying all is lost that need to get a fucking clue

    Best thing I ever did was walking away from a career and starting over and working with millennials. We both benefited from it

    That's why I defend them here.

    I have a 6 figure salary and work in arguably the highest demand industry (tech). My partner (who has a higher 6 figure salary than me) and I can't even dream about buying a home within 30 miles of our workplace. Granted, I don't consider myself a millennial (I'm 36), but if we can't buy a house, things have just changed.
    You can buy a McMansion in Houston for 400K

    Even in Cali you can get a nice house at your income levels.

    When we bought our house the interest rate was double digits

    What has changed is the banking laws after the crash. 20% down as a hard number is hard to come up with unless you bank most of your income for a year or two
    Fuck McMansions. I would live in Houston if there were any tech jobs there worth a shit.
    The Bay Area is a hard one but not impossible at your level. Probably will need some kind of commute

    Or work from home.
    Even in the early 1990's when I was working for the studios, most guys I worked with owned in Canyon Country, or further out in Palmdale/Landscatter because they preferred to have a 3000sqft home over a smaller Toluca Lake townhouse. That said, the Bay Area does a pretty pisspoor job of creating higher-density housing. Generally not as profitable as single-family homes, so it's up to local govt. to step in and create incentives for builders and developers to build housing that takes some pressure off of the transportation networks. Plus, sitting in traffic sucks.
    Right about there, doogie, Pawz, sledog, and Race just started screaming communist!!!!!
    I knowingly put that dog whistle in there
    It's not a dog whistle

    Local Cali government makes housing more expensive. That's what they're good at.

    LA wants to tax home builders for affordable housing. Making housing more expensive to make it affordable

    That's only part of the issue in the Bay Area. Like Seattle there's only so much room. Location will cost you
    What “LA” are you referring to? The state CEQA law is a notorious tool for NIMBYs, and municipalities add layers to the bureaucracy builders go through (density, parking, transit, prevailing wage, and other environmental). The one scared cow has always been affordable housing however, especially within LA County and the 88 incorporated cities.

    There’s a tax on affordable housing development?
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,033
    2001400ex said:

    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    And builders don't need incentives to make money. That's hondo fucking stupid

    Congrats

    He didn't say builders needed incentives to make money. Read his quote again.
    Race just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, and not necessarily because he actually belives what he says.
    I picture Race shaking his fist cussing out the clouds half the day when he's not on here.

  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,727 Founders Club

    The rich were effectively taxed at what, 75%, 80% 50 years ago? That's closer to socialism. We didn't have 20 trillion in debt then either. Millennials are fags but they have a point when they're saddled with $80,000 of student debt and see the American dream isn't close to what it

    Nobody paid anywhere close to those rates after deductions and in an era when there truly were loopholes.

  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,727 Founders Club

    Millennial don't have the baggage you do when it comes to capitalism/socialism/communism. You bought into the government propaganda of capitalism = good, socialism and communism = evil. When they're really they're just economic systems. There is no good or evil.

    Human beings when presented with an argument that they disagree with will fall to the other extreme if the side they disagree with is unwilling to budge. Capitalism is the best economic system anyone has come up with but it's not perfect. Where and when it fails we should be willing to use other methods. Instead you cling desperately to capitalism. Pushing millennials to the other side.

    "Communism isn't evil." Tell that to the victims. Joseph Stalin killed millions. Mao Zedong killed millions. Pol Pot killed millions. Kim Jong IL killed millions. But there is no good and evil according to you. Cool. Explain these guys and Hitler then.
    Hundreds of millions
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,942 Standard Supporter

    BearsWiin said:

    As somebody who has taught both political theory and comparative politics at the university level, I always find these threads to be an absolute hoot.

    I lived under communism in the 70's. Nothing special.
    I didn't know Houston was Communist.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Sledog said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Millennials know:

    20 years of pointless war that was costing over $1B a day at it's peak.

    The housing bubble where rich people robbed the American public and the government paid them back 100 cents on the dollar for any short term loss.

    Crippling student loan debt to get a job that

    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    BearsWiin said:

    I don't agree with @Sledog . The millennials I have worked with lived n the film room and are more than willing to do what it takes to win. Nothing has changed

    I graduated high school in 1974 as America was descending in to hell. Guess what? Hard work still worked. Always has, always will

    its idiots like mooster running around saying all is lost that need to get a fucking clue

    Best thing I ever did was walking away from a career and starting over and working with millennials. We both benefited from it

    That's why I defend them here.

    I have a 6 figure salary and work in arguably the highest demand industry (tech). My partner (who has a higher 6 figure salary than me) and I can't even dream about buying a home within 30 miles of our workplace. Granted, I don't consider myself a millennial (I'm 36), but if we can't buy a house, things have just changed.
    You can buy a McMansion in Houston for 400K

    Even in Cali you can get a nice house at your income levels.

    When we bought our house the interest rate was double digits

    What has changed is the banking laws after the crash. 20% down as a hard number is hard to come up with unless you bank most of your income for a year or two
    Fuck McMansions. I would live in Houston if there were any tech jobs there worth a shit.
    The Bay Area is a hard one but not impossible at your level. Probably will need some kind of commute

    Or work from home.
    Even in the early 1990's when I was working for the studios, most guys I worked with owned in Canyon Country, or further out in Palmdale/Landscatter because they preferred to have a 3000sqft home over a smaller Toluca Lake townhouse. That said, the Bay Area does a pretty pisspoor job of creating higher-density housing. Generally not as profitable as single-family homes, so it's up to local govt. to step in and create incentives for builders and developers to build housing that takes some pressure off of the transportation networks. Plus, sitting in traffic sucks.
    Right about there, doogie, Pawz, sledog, and Race just started screaming communist!!!!!
    I knowingly put that dog whistle in there
    It's not a dog whistle

    Local Cali government makes housing more expensive. That's what they're good at.

    LA wants to tax home builders for affordable housing. Making housing more expensive to make it affordable

    That's only part of the issue in the Bay Area. Like Seattle there's only so much room. Location will cost you
    The City of LA wants to impose a levy on builders developing market rate housing that will fund affordable housing.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,942 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2018

    BearsWiin said:

    As somebody who has taught both political theory and comparative politics at the university level, I always find these threads to be an absolute hoot.

    I lived under communism in the 70's. Nothing special.
    I didn't know Houston was Communist.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Once Mosster figures out how to read things will get ugly quick.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,942 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    Millennials know:

    20 years of pointless war that was costing over $1B a day at it's peak.

    The housing bubble where rich people robbed the American public and the government paid them back 100 cents on the dollar for any short term loss.

    Crippling student loan debt to get a job that previous generations never needed a formal education to do, yet still did the job equally well.

    There is no more competition. Amazon, Google, eBay, and Netflix won. Seriously, what business are you going to start that some titan doesn't already have a complete monopoly on? A good capitalistic environment is supposed to motivate people to create a job instead of finding one, which went away 40 years ago.

    We are generally viewed negatively by most of the established world.

    We completely destroyed an entire continent in their lifetime and stirred up a hornets nest that brings terror to everyone's door step.

    We can't spare $4M for Meals on Wheels but we need $65B more annually for defense. You know, cause the......fuck we're out of enemies.

    The quality of life between working your ass off and not working at all is pretty similar.

    Trying to save money with a meager salary to enjoy life when it's already over instead of using it while you can enjoy it is fucking stupid. All you are doing it making someone else rich.

    If you work really hard you can be rich one day! 99.9% false.

    I can keep going. Millennials are a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. They're the worst pussy faggots this nation has ever produced.

    Question: Is there a giant "L" tattoo'd backwards on your forehead, or what? Grow some confidence, lame ass.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,727 Founders Club
    edited January 2018
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    haie said:

    2001400ex said:

    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    And builders don't need incentives to make money. That's hondo fucking stupid

    Congrats

    He didn't say builders needed incentives to make money. Read his quote again.
    Race just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, and not necessarily because he actually belives what he says.
    I picture Race shaking his fist cussing out the clouds half the day when he's not on here.
    I picture you flipping burgers, phone in one hand while snickering like a fag as you post your next shitty link.
    Are you saying that's a bad thing?
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233
    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    And builders don't need incentives to make money. That's hondo fucking stupid

    Congrats

    He didn't say builders needed incentives to make money. Read his quote again.
    Every fucker here just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, and not necessarily because he actually belives what he says.
    Corrected.

  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,727 Founders Club

    salemcoog said:

    No other Economic system has pulled people out of poverty.

    None.

    Yes our current iteration of capitalism is excellent at this. The middle class is thriving.
    The middle class is living better than almost the entire world. Should we compare the middle class to any socialist/Marxist country? Tell us what the middle class doesn't have or can't do compared to what any middle class in the history of the United States has had. Should they all have million dollar homes and take a month long vacation anywhere in the world? Tell us about how they struggle to feed and clothe their children. How's the bliss in your world?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,459 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    And builders don't need incentives to make money. That's hondo fucking stupid

    Congrats

    He didn't say builders needed incentives to make money. Read his quote again.
    I didn't say he did. Incentives to put people in little boxes to ride the bus to their little job aren't needed. Builders build what people want. They make money without your fucking stupid incentives to build what people don't want.

    I didn't think I needed to spell it out. I was wrong
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,459 Founders Club

    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    BearsWiin said:

    I don't agree with @Sledog . The millennials I have worked with lived n the film room and are more than willing to do what it takes to win. Nothing has changed

    I graduated high school in 1974 as America was descending in to hell. Guess what? Hard work still worked. Always has, always will

    its idiots like mooster running around saying all is lost that need to get a fucking clue

    Best thing I ever did was walking away from a career and starting over and working with millennials. We both benefited from it

    That's why I defend them here.

    I have a 6 figure salary and work in arguably the highest demand industry (tech). My partner (who has a higher 6 figure salary than me) and I can't even dream about buying a home within 30 miles of our workplace. Granted, I don't consider myself a millennial (I'm 36), but if we can't buy a house, things have just changed.
    You can buy a McMansion in Houston for 400K

    Even in Cali you can get a nice house at your income levels.

    When we bought our house the interest rate was double digits

    What has changed is the banking laws after the crash. 20% down as a hard number is hard to come up with unless you bank most of your income for a year or two
    Fuck McMansions. I would live in Houston if there were any tech jobs there worth a shit.
    The Bay Area is a hard one but not impossible at your level. Probably will need some kind of commute

    Or work from home.
    Even in the early 1990's when I was working for the studios, most guys I worked with owned in Canyon Country, or further out in Palmdale/Landscatter because they preferred to have a 3000sqft home over a smaller Toluca Lake townhouse. That said, the Bay Area does a pretty pisspoor job of creating higher-density housing. Generally not as profitable as single-family homes, so it's up to local govt. to step in and create incentives for builders and developers to build housing that takes some pressure off of the transportation networks. Plus, sitting in traffic sucks.
    Right about there, doogie, Pawz, sledog, and Race just started screaming communist!!!!!
    I knowingly put that dog whistle in there
    It's not a dog whistle

    Local Cali government makes housing more expensive. That's what they're good at.

    LA wants to tax home builders for affordable housing. Making housing more expensive to make it affordable

    That's only part of the issue in the Bay Area. Like Seattle there's only so much room. Location will cost you
    What “LA” are you referring to? The state CEQA law is a notorious tool for NIMBYs, and municipalities add layers to the bureaucracy builders go through (density, parking, transit, prevailing wage, and other environmental). The one scared cow has always been affordable housing however, especially within LA County and the 88 incorporated cities.

    There’s a tax on affordable housing development?
    LA is proposing it. I linked it here awhile back. The thread was not @MikeSeaver popular
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