Millennial don't have the baggage you do when it comes to capitalism/socialism/communism. You bought into the government propaganda of capitalism = good, socialism and communism = evil. When they're really they're just economic systems. There is no good or evil.
Human beings when presented with an argument that they disagree with will fall to the other extreme if the side they disagree with is unwilling to budge. Capitalism is the best economic system anyone has come up with but it's not perfect. Where and when it fails we should be willing to use other methods. Instead you cling desperately to capitalism. Pushing millennials to the other side.
"Communism isn't evil." Tell that to the victims. Joseph Stalin killed millions. Mao Zedong killed millions. Pol Pot killed millions. Kim Jong IL killed millions. But there is no good and evil according to you. Cool. Explain these guys and Hitler then.
Communism doesn't kill people. People kill people.
Millennial don't have the baggage you do when it comes to capitalism/socialism/communism. You bought into the government propaganda of capitalism = good, socialism and communism = evil. When they're really they're just economic systems. There is no good or evil.
Human beings when presented with an argument that they disagree with will fall to the other extreme if the side they disagree with is unwilling to budge. Capitalism is the best economic system anyone has come up with but it's not perfect. Where and when it fails we should be willing to use other methods. Instead you cling desperately to capitalism. Pushing millennials to the other side.
"Communism isn't evil." Tell that to the victims. Joseph Stalin killed millions. Mao Zedong killed millions. Pol Pot killed millions. Kim Jong IL killed millions. But there is no good and evil according to you. Cool. Explain these guys and Hitler then.
As someone who is currently in school, millenials are not taught that communism the ideal is evil, simply that evil people used it as a position of power to do harm because they wished.
Make of that what you will.
Communism is a system that goes against basic human nature. It requires the absolute rule of a tyrant to prop up it up. There's a reason why every communist leader is a piece of shit mass murderer. Name one who wasn't. It can safely be discarded as an evil ideology because it requires evil people in leadership positions to keep it going.
Millennial don't have the baggage you do when it comes to capitalism/socialism/communism. You bought into the government propaganda of capitalism = good, socialism and communism = evil. When they're really they're just economic systems. There is no good or evil.
Human beings when presented with an argument that they disagree with will fall to the other extreme if the side they disagree with is unwilling to budge. Capitalism is the best economic system anyone has come up with but it's not perfect. Where and when it fails we should be willing to use other methods. Instead you cling desperately to capitalism. Pushing millennials to the other side.
Wow. The naivete is stunning. Communism is absolutely diametrically opposed to liberty, you schmuck. You know that "live free or die" idea that America was built upon? To say it's just an "economic system" is to deny the underlying motivations and theories upon which communism is built, such as the rich being evil and the working class the true nobles. Not the talented, the educated, the successful. No. Not those guys. Only the suffering, pathetic, and doomed could be heroes in Marx's world. The system is built upon hatred of others more successful than you, to the point of removing them from society if they do not swear off their riches, ideologies and independent thoughts in favor of the masses. Fuck. That. Shit.
Capitalism will eat itself if not properly taxed or regulated. That's what's happening today and why some bankers really do deserve to die. No geno, but perhaps by accident, like a sunken yacht. Certain socialist ideas like single payer would dovetail nicely with capitalism, since large insurance companies act like government bureaucracies already, and have most politicians in their pockets anyway. But again, to have the 20th Century as Exhibit A of the evils of communism, group think, conform or be cast out - to Siberia or worse, and to argue from that that the system itself is not evil or doesn't breed evil. Wow. Did you read anything when you took history in College, APAG? Fuck.
Millennial don't have the baggage you do when it comes to capitalism/socialism/communism. You bought into the government propaganda of capitalism = good, socialism and communism = evil. When they're really they're just economic systems. There is no good or evil.
Human beings when presented with an argument that they disagree with will fall to the other extreme if the side they disagree with is unwilling to budge. Capitalism is the best economic system anyone has come up with but it's not perfect. Where and when it fails we should be willing to use other methods. Instead you cling desperately to capitalism. Pushing millennials to the other side.
"Communism isn't evil." Tell that to the victims. Joseph Stalin killed millions. Mao Zedong killed millions. Pol Pot killed millions. Kim Jong IL killed millions. But there is no good and evil according to you. Cool. Explain these guys and Hitler then.
As someone who is currently in school, millenials are not taught that communism the ideal is evil, simply that evil people used it as a position of power to do harm because they wished.
Make of that what you will.
Maybe they should teach you a thing called human nature...
When given that kind of power humans are inherently bad. Ideals don’t exist in the real world. My suggestion for you is to study something useful, so you don’t have to live on the government buck the rest of your life.
Jesús Christ, this bored is so fucking old. Tell me about college in the fucking 70's when your degree pigeon holed you into some role you could never get out of.
The best programmer I've ever hired had a linguistics degree and just learned the skills needed to do web shit. I have plenty of fuckheads with CS degrees who won't believe me when I tell them they're only good enough to do support.
Many graduates from UW had parents who paid for everything, including me. It's not a poor person college like Wazzu. Save your 80k of debt smack for them or graduates of colleges that shouldn't even exist.
Capitalism in a first world country. Learn something about it.
If the word ends in "ism" then it's probably flawed.
Francis Fukuyama made the observation in his book "Trust" that folks around the turn of the millennium were making the same fundamental error that the Marxist-Leninists had been making since 1848 - namely, that they were fetishizing an economic tool and transforming it into an ideology.
Hayek talked about imperfect information distorting markets and Adam Smith's conception of the "invisible hand" of the free market was intended to be guided ethically to produce the greatest benefits for "society at large."
So if you're talking about "capitalism" as we've seen over the past 20 years, with vulture capitalists, dot-com and crypto zillionaires, all managed by the grasping hand of Goldman Sachs, then there's not much for anyone to be sanguine about.
Lazy tropes like SOCIALISM =! STALIN/HITLER/VENEZUELA are dead-end thinking.
If your primary values are liberty and democracy, then those should be the first principles of your way of thinking. How societies arrange their markets for the allocation of goods and services doesn't really much matter to the former two values.
A free democracy can place limits on its markets. There aren't really any contradictions there. On the flip side, totalitarian states can (and have) engaged in radical "laissez-faire" economic projects when and where it suited them.
Thomas Piketty's research has shown that income inequality is the most destabilizing element of free societies, and it seems clear that periods of radical social unrest and the rise of despotisms and dictatorships regularly follow periods of great inequality of income.
APAG is right to a degree. Millennials I have been around definitely want to get rich and enjoy the life but they are somewhat like us fabled Boomers in that they also want a social component to life in these United States. Unfettered capitalism is a cold hard master where the losers lose big. So we have this hybrid.
It is also true that you can't have communism without the slaughter of the millions who won't go for it. Happens every time. I have always been a staunch anti communist because when i was young and wanting to change the world I wanted to make it better, not worse
Its cold war thinking to think that in order to make capitalism better we need social or communism. Believe it or not our system is constantly inventing this hybrid mix.
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Capitalism will eat itself if not properly taxed or regulated. That's what's happening today and why some bankers really do deserve to die. No geno, but perhaps by accident, like a sunken yacht. Certain socialist ideas like single payer would dovetail nicely with capitalism, since large insurance companies act like government bureaucracies already, and have most politicians in their pockets anyway. But again, to have the 20th Century as Exhibit A of the evils of communism, group think, conform or be cast out - to Siberia or worse, and to argue from that that the system itself is not evil or doesn't breed evil. Wow. Did you read anything when you took history in College, APAG? Fuck.
When given that kind of power humans are inherently bad. Ideals don’t exist in the real world. My suggestion for you is to study something useful, so you don’t have to live on the government buck the rest of your life.
The best programmer I've ever hired had a linguistics degree and just learned the skills needed to do web shit. I have plenty of fuckheads with CS degrees who won't believe me when I tell them they're only good enough to do support.
Many graduates from UW had parents who paid for everything, including me. It's not a poor person college like Wazzu. Save your 80k of debt smack for them or graduates of colleges that shouldn't even exist.
Capitalism in a first world country. Learn something about it.
Francis Fukuyama made the observation in his book "Trust" that folks around the turn of the millennium were making the same fundamental error that the Marxist-Leninists had been making since 1848 - namely, that they were fetishizing an economic tool and transforming it into an ideology.
Hayek talked about imperfect information distorting markets and Adam Smith's conception of the "invisible hand" of the free market was intended to be guided ethically to produce the greatest benefits for "society at large."
So if you're talking about "capitalism" as we've seen over the past 20 years, with vulture capitalists, dot-com and crypto zillionaires, all managed by the grasping hand of Goldman Sachs, then there's not much for anyone to be sanguine about.
Lazy tropes like SOCIALISM =! STALIN/HITLER/VENEZUELA are dead-end thinking.
If your primary values are liberty and democracy, then those should be the first principles of your way of thinking. How societies arrange their markets for the allocation of goods and services doesn't really much matter to the former two values.
A free democracy can place limits on its markets. There aren't really any contradictions there. On the flip side, totalitarian states can (and have) engaged in radical "laissez-faire" economic projects when and where it suited them.
Thomas Piketty's research has shown that income inequality is the most destabilizing element of free societies, and it seems clear that periods of radical social unrest and the rise of despotisms and dictatorships regularly follow periods of great inequality of income.
Americans are happy with a screen, food and internet connection. Unless and until that changes, there is no risk of Radical Social unrest here.
It is also true that you can't have communism without the slaughter of the millions who won't go for it. Happens every time. I have always been a staunch anti communist because when i was young and wanting to change the world I wanted to make it better, not worse
Its cold war thinking to think that in order to make capitalism better we need social or communism. Believe it or not our system is constantly inventing this hybrid mix.
None.