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The Throbber is all about personal liberty under the auspice of do-unto-others-as-you-would-have-them-do-unto-you.
That said, there's only two ways to address the automatic weapon issue.
Either 1) ban the motherfuckers because we(?) don't deserve nice things or 2) provide every citizen with a voucher to buy an auto-or semi-automatic weapon so they can protect themselves. Fuck all to metal detectors and permits and that shit. Everyone will be packing heat.
I get the whole concept of not infringing on people's rights to bear arms - supposedly a check against a military state. I guess if a vast majority of homes had automatic weapons, that would act as a deterrent to martial rule. But, seriously, who in their right fucking mind would take on even a fraction of the US military?
The guns and religion compound talks a good game - but if Navy Seal Team Six showed up, that would last about 4 seconds before surrender.
The power of the people is at the ballot box and their representatives' ability to control the flow of funds.
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What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?Sledog said:
Not military grade. They're not select fire but semi auto only. What part of "shall not be infringed" are you having trouble understanding? One could easily wreak that done havoc with a pistol inside a crowded building with limited mobility or escape routes.Mosster47 said:
Do you feel like there is less tyranny now that everyone owns a high capacity, automatic weapon?Sledog said:
Military grade weaponry is exactly what the 2nd amendment is about. Its not for hunting. Its really about the ability to resist tyrany.Mosster47 said:
Military grade weaponry shouldn't be available to the public.doogie said:
Shooter knew he was braking the law. Did it anyway.
A System existed to effectively stop this man from buying guns anyway via legal sources.
The failure of a Government input clerk stopped the system from triggering this criminal.
There is always a means to an end and you can't outlaw everything. Trucks and guns are it at the moment. A while ago it was pressure cookers and fireworks. Imagine a fuel truck.
To me, it seems like tyranny is at the same level it always is and these military grade weapons are just being used to wipe out hordes of people.
Also, we keep our M-4s on semi in the military, for the most part. -
I like this wording better: That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.AZDuck said:
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?Sledog said:
Not military grade. They're not select fire but semi auto only. What part of "shall not be infringed" are you having trouble understanding? One could easily wreak that done havoc with a pistol inside a crowded building with limited mobility or escape routes.Mosster47 said:
Do you feel like there is less tyranny now that everyone owns a high capacity, automatic weapon?Sledog said:
Military grade weaponry is exactly what the 2nd amendment is about. Its not for hunting. Its really about the ability to resist tyrany.Mosster47 said:
Military grade weaponry shouldn't be available to the public.doogie said:
Shooter knew he was braking the law. Did it anyway.
A System existed to effectively stop this man from buying guns anyway via legal sources.
The failure of a Government input clerk stopped the system from triggering this criminal.
There is always a means to an end and you can't outlaw everything. Trucks and guns are it at the moment. A while ago it was pressure cookers and fireworks. Imagine a fuel truck.
To me, it seems like tyranny is at the same level it always is and these military grade weapons are just being used to wipe out hordes of people.
Also, we keep our M-4s on semi in the military, for the most part.
Doesn't say the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.
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How did a background check prevent the incident in question?2001400ex said:
Then why aren't you saying you should have full access to fully automatic weapons?Sledog said:
Not military grade. They're not select fire but semi auto only. What part of "shall not be infringed" are you having trouble understanding? One could easily wreak that done havoc with a pistol inside a crowded building with limited mobility or escape routes.Mosster47 said:
Do you feel like there is less tyranny now that everyone owns a high capacity, automatic weapon?Sledog said:
Military grade weaponry is exactly what the 2nd amendment is about. Its not for hunting. Its really about the ability to resist tyrany.Mosster47 said:
Military grade weaponry shouldn't be available to the public.doogie said:
Shooter knew he was braking the law. Did it anyway.
A System existed to effectively stop this man from buying guns anyway via legal sources.
The failure of a Government input clerk stopped the system from triggering this criminal.
There is always a means to an end and you can't outlaw everything. Trucks and guns are it at the moment. A while ago it was pressure cookers and fireworks. Imagine a fuel truck.
To me, it seems like tyranny is at the same level it always is and these military grade weapons are just being used to wipe out hordes of people.
How does a background check infringe your gun ownership?
Why do you support felons not owning a gun? -
Idiots don't know that full auto is not very useful. Lets keep it that way!AZDuck said:
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?Sledog said:
Not military grade. They're not select fire but semi auto only. What part of "shall not be infringed" are you having trouble understanding? One could easily wreak that done havoc with a pistol inside a crowded building with limited mobility or escape routes.Mosster47 said:
Do you feel like there is less tyranny now that everyone owns a high capacity, automatic weapon?Sledog said:
Military grade weaponry is exactly what the 2nd amendment is about. Its not for hunting. Its really about the ability to resist tyrany.Mosster47 said:
Military grade weaponry shouldn't be available to the public.doogie said:
Shooter knew he was braking the law. Did it anyway.
A System existed to effectively stop this man from buying guns anyway via legal sources.
The failure of a Government input clerk stopped the system from triggering this criminal.
There is always a means to an end and you can't outlaw everything. Trucks and guns are it at the moment. A while ago it was pressure cookers and fireworks. Imagine a fuel truck.
To me, it seems like tyranny is at the same level it always is and these military grade weapons are just being used to wipe out hordes of people.
Also, we keep our M-4s on semi in the military, for the most part. -
Fotunately that's not what it says.YellowSnow said:
I like this wording better: That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.AZDuck said:
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?Sledog said:
Not military grade. They're not select fire but semi auto only. What part of "shall not be infringed" are you having trouble understanding? One could easily wreak that done havoc with a pistol inside a crowded building with limited mobility or escape routes.Mosster47 said:
Do you feel like there is less tyranny now that everyone owns a high capacity, automatic weapon?Sledog said:
Military grade weaponry is exactly what the 2nd amendment is about. Its not for hunting. Its really about the ability to resist tyrany.Mosster47 said:
Military grade weaponry shouldn't be available to the public.doogie said:
Shooter knew he was braking the law. Did it anyway.
A System existed to effectively stop this man from buying guns anyway via legal sources.
The failure of a Government input clerk stopped the system from triggering this criminal.
There is always a means to an end and you can't outlaw everything. Trucks and guns are it at the moment. A while ago it was pressure cookers and fireworks. Imagine a fuel truck.
To me, it seems like tyranny is at the same level it always is and these military grade weapons are just being used to wipe out hordes of people.
Also, we keep our M-4s on semi in the military, for the most part.
Doesn't say the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.
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Tyranny is always held at bay by an armed populace. Glad that you think it's not that big of a threat which means it's working as intended.Mosster47 said:
Do you feel like there is less tyranny now that everyone owns a high capacity, automatic weapon?Sledog said:
Military grade weaponry is exactly what the 2nd amendment is about. Its not for hunting. Its really about the ability to resist tyrany.Mosster47 said:
Military grade weaponry shouldn't be available to the public.doogie said:
Shooter knew he was braking the law. Did it anyway.
A System existed to effectively stop this man from buying guns anyway via legal sources.
The failure of a Government input clerk stopped the system from triggering this criminal.
There is always a means to an end and you can't outlaw everything. Trucks and guns are it at the moment. A while ago it was pressure cookers and fireworks. Imagine a fuel truck.
To me, it seems like tyranny is at the same level it always is and these military grade weapons are just being used to wipe out hordes of people.
Quad bitches! -
Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons? -
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns. -
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons? -
The shooter had already cleared the church, including walking up and down the aisles. nothing was stopped.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons? -
A 9 or a .308 or even a 12 gauge would have done the same job as it's my understanding the dude wasn't even armed at that point. Maybe I'm wrong about that.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons? -
Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?YellowSnow said:
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns. -
Nothing was stopped because no one in the church was armed. The dirt bag was stopped and he could not continue if there were more victims or if he chose to drive to another location and continue. The only way to stop armed attackers is with equal or greater force. I'll let those opposing try and hug it out with the next shooter.UWhuskytskeet said:
The shooter had already cleared the church, including walking up and down the aisles. nothing was stopped.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons? -
Sledog said:
Nothing was stopped because no one in the church was armed. The dirt bag was stopped and he could not continue if there were more victims or if he chose to drive to another location and continue. The only way to stop armed attackers is with equal or greater force. I'll let those opposing try and hug it out with the next shooter.UWhuskytskeet said:
The shooter had already cleared the church, including walking up and down the aisles. nothing was stopped.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
It would have a better chance than what has been going on lately.
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As I poonted out most anything will do the job when no one is armed to oppose the shooter! Why do you think they attack "gun free" zones? You don't see them attacking police stations do you?salemcoog said:
A 9 or a .308 or even a 12 gauge would have done the same job as it's my understanding the dude wasn't even armed at that point. Maybe I'm wrong about that.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
A handgun can be reloaded in 1 second if your good. 2 if you ain't that good. People are busy trying to hide it isn't hard.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shootingSledog said:
Nothing was stopped because no one in the church was armed. The dirt bag was stopped and he could not continue if there were more victims or if he chose to drive to another location and continue. The only way to stop armed attackers is with equal or greater force. I'll let those opposing try and hug it out with the next shooter.UWhuskytskeet said:
The shooter had already cleared the church, including walking up and down the aisles. nothing was stopped.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?Owen said that the shooter had a large cache of ammunition on him at the time of the shooting but that he was unable to use it because members of the congregation quickly subdued him.
Nota bene: the shooter in this case stopped to reload a 12-gauge, semiautomatic shotgun, when the unarmed congregants were able to charge and immobilize him. -
He should have talked with @Sledog on how to plan a mass shooting.AZDuck said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shootingSledog said:
Nothing was stopped because no one in the church was armed. The dirt bag was stopped and he could not continue if there were more victims or if he chose to drive to another location and continue. The only way to stop armed attackers is with equal or greater force. I'll let those opposing try and hug it out with the next shooter.UWhuskytskeet said:
The shooter had already cleared the church, including walking up and down the aisles. nothing was stopped.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?Owen said that the shooter had a large cache of ammunition on him at the time of the shooting but that he was unable to use it because members of the congregation quickly subdued him.
Nota bene: the shooter in this case stopped to reload a 12-gauge, semiautomatic shotgun, when the unarmed congregants were able to charge and immobilize him. -
Use your Google, many shootings at police stations in America.Sledog said:
As I poonted out most anything will do the job when no one is armed to oppose the shooter! Why do you think they attack "gun free" zones? You don't see them attacking police stations do you?salemcoog said:
A 9 or a .308 or even a 12 gauge would have done the same job as it's my understanding the dude wasn't even armed at that point. Maybe I'm wrong about that.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
A handgun can be reloaded in 1 second if your good. 2 if you ain't that good. People are busy trying to hide it isn't hard.
Fight crime shoot back! -
This. Just look at Europe, Germany in particular. No right to bear arms. What happened there? An extreme leftist government entered the host country like a parasite and totalitariasm set up shop. Merkel opened the gates and allowed millions of Islamic invaders from the third world to spill in. The unarmed civilians are powerless to defend themselves against this scourge. When they speak out on social media, they are silenced. Often the police will pay them a visit and raid their homes.Sledog said:
Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?YellowSnow said:
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
The right to bear arms is vital for the preservation of a free society. There are pussies here who want to take that right away. They are the same ones advocating socialism. These dotardcrats are generally ignorant of world history, have no appreciation for democracy and want to restrict free speech. The enemy is not abroad, they're right here at home. -
Well said.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
As to the the general populous taking on the military it wouldn't even be a contest and it's set up that way. Every military installation inside of the continental US is stockpiled to last seven days without resupply. There is a firearm for every citizen in the country. Most military bases have a tiny small arm supply.
We are designed to unite far away or unite in regions to take on others. If there was a true revolution the military would put up a fight for a few days, but that's it. -
List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:Sledog said:
Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?YellowSnow said:
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
- New Zealand
- Canada
- Australia
- Norway
- France
- Great Britain
- Switzerland
No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns.
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Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-lawsYellowSnow said:
List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:Sledog said:
Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?YellowSnow said:
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
- New Zealand
- Canada
- Australia
- Norway
- France
- Great Britain
- Switzerland
No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns. -
And you're alright in my book too, OBK, but you're grossly overstating the Islamo-fuck threat to the West. Yes, they are a pain in fucking ass in France, Germany, UK, etc, but they aren't going to take over those countries and turn them into some sort of Caliphate. The French were willing to lose a 1,000,000 KIA in WWI to not get overrun by the Germans; 150,000 in a few months in WWII; another 50,000 trying to keep Algerian and Indochina. Yes, they may be pussies, but when there is an existential threat they will fucking fight.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-lawsYellowSnow said:
List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:Sledog said:
Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?YellowSnow said:
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
- New Zealand
- Canada
- Australia
- Norway
- France
- Great Britain
- Switzerland
No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns. -
But you like it when your president tells private businesses to fire people who exercise free speech.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-lawsYellowSnow said:
List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:Sledog said:
Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?YellowSnow said:
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
- New Zealand
- Canada
- Australia
- Norway
- France
- Great Britain
- Switzerland
No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns. -
Trump suggesting NFL owners should fire the kneelers is not the same as fining a comedian for telling a joke. But I don't expect you to understand that.2001400ex said:
But you like it when your president tells private businesses to fire people who exercise free speech.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-lawsYellowSnow said:
List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:Sledog said:
Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?YellowSnow said:
To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?
The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
- New Zealand
- Canada
- Australia
- Norway
- France
- Great Britain
- Switzerland
No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns. -
If the NRA doesn't take the lead on keeping guns out of the hands of assholes like the one in Texas, it's going to be done for them. As a gun owner with a brain, I can read the fucking Tea Leaves. Fix it before it's fixed by Libs, for all of us.
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How do you know he wasn't off to find more people to shoot? He was taken out before he could shoot more people.UWhuskytskeet said:
The shooter had already cleared the church, including walking up and down the aisles. nothing was stopped.Dude61 said:
It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.salemcoog said:Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.
Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.
AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.
So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons? -
The U.S. government failed in this case but somehow a private organization could have stopped it?TurdBuffer said:If the NRA doesn't take the lead on keeping guns out of the hands of assholes like the one in Texas, it's going to be done for them. As a gun owner with a brain, I can read the fucking Tea Leaves. Fix it before it's fixed by Libs, for all of us.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. Liberty is an armed sheep.
