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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited November 2017
    RedRocket said:

    Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

    Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.

    OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
    Bull shit stretch
    Where am I wrong exactly?
    All over the place.
    Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.
    Religion involves deity worship and people are not gods, so your cult of personality as a religion argument is invalid. Hitler was a cult of personality figure, people worshipped him as if he were a god, but Hitlerism was not a religion. It revolved around a living person, a human. Himmler tried to create a state religion based on Norse mythology but failed, it never took off.

    There's no need to refute your argument regarding the communists, they were avowed athiests, all we need to do is take them at their word. Stalin and Mao, like Hitler, were cult of personality figures. Stalinism and Maoism don't qualify as religions. The Nazis and Communists, whose movements originated in socialism, both attempted to remove religion from the fabric of society. These were both atheistic movements at their core. Taken together, they are responsible for most of history's murders.
    Last I checked Mohammed was a human. You don't think Islamocucks are part of a wildly successful personality cult that's found a way to persist and expand for hundreds of years? A religion is an old cult or a cult is a new religion.
    JESUS CHRIST!
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited November 2017

    Dude61 said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Evil nut bags exist. Fortunately some local showed up and shot at the pussy gunman who dropped his gun and ran.

    Terrorists.

    The word is terrorists.


    Hope this helps.
    That would depend on his motives which we don't know at this point. Did you call Ted Bundy a terrorist?
    He killed 26 people at a church. What motive do you want?
    Dishonorable discharged from the military. Bet money he had issues mentally and socially and probably on psych drugs. Most of these mass shooters are.
    Dishonorable discharge for domestic abuse is a felony. He was not legally entitled to own a gun, and the 22,000 gun laws currently on the books did not prevent him from obtaining one.

    One thing that will never be discussed is if he was on SSRI's:

    https://ssristories.org/

    He had a bad conduct discharge which wouldn't have affected his ability to purchase a gun.

    He did have a domestic assault charge however, but that was erroneously left out of the database.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html
    This is broadly correct.

    Military courts don't have a felony/misdemeanor bright line distinction the way civilian courts do.

    The military uses a lot of the same stuff, but in a different way. In the civilian world, generally, offenses which could result in more than a year confinement are considered felonies. In the military system, the two most prevalent kinds of courts-martial are special courts-martial and general courts-martial.

    The main difference is that a special court-martial is jurisdictionally limited to 12 months or less confinement and a "bad-conduct discharge" rather than a "dishonorable" discharge.

    A sentence of more than 12 months and the DD can only be imposed by a general court-martial. The benefit to the Government for doing a special rather than a general is that at special court-martial the Government doesn't have to go through the ass-pain of an Article 32 investigative hearing (although Congress declawed Article 32 in the 2013 NDAA).

    Looks like the AF fucked up by not reporting the asshole's DV conviction to the NCIC.

    The Lautenberg Amendment makes it illegal for a person convicted of a misdemeanor or felony offense of domestic violence to purchase, own, or possess a firearm. Military servicemembers with qualifying Lautenberg convictions are subject to discharge based on this law.

    Each state makes its own determination as to whether they consider a court-martial conviction a felony for the purposes of their laws regarding felons (being allowed to vote, own/purchase/possess firearms etc.) Most go by the 12 months confinement rule to qualify as a felony offense. But in this case it wouldn't have mattered because Lautenberg.

    Also of interest is the animal cruelty charge in Colorado. But it looks like deferred adjudication so the charge would have dropped off.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,711 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

    Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.

    OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
    Bull shit stretch
    Where am I wrong exactly?
    All over the place.
    Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.
    For starters:

    Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
    Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist.
    From family experience, I know this to be untrue
    Lol

    Pretty sure my Grandfather was Lutheran or Catholic or some shit


    But he was not in the SS. Just a run of the mill German soldier. Don't twist.
    Grandfather was Wehrmacht, great uncle was an SS officer
    I apologize if my ancestors shot at your ancestors in WWII. My grandpappy did finish up 1945 in Austria before getting shipped back home.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,616 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Evil nut bags exist. Fortunately some local showed up and shot at the pussy gunman who dropped his gun and ran.

    Terrorists.

    The word is terrorists.


    Hope this helps.
    That would depend on his motives which we don't know at this point. Did you call Ted Bundy a terrorist?
    He killed 26 people at a church. What motive do you want?
    Dishonorable discharged from the military. Bet money he had issues mentally and socially and probably on psych drugs. Most of these mass shooters are.
    I'm right but there is nothing unusual about that.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

    Are you talking to yourself?

    And he was able to legally purchase the weapon. Even tho US law says he can't. Imagine if we were to close gun show, internet, and private sale loopholes.
    Imagine if someone present had a gun. You can't stop these types of people from obtaining weapons. You can shoot them dead.
    You are clearly confusing the ability to purchase versus the ability to possess. There are many legal ways for people to buy guns who are not allowed to possess guns. Why do you think it violates the second amendment to require background checks on all purchases?
    Prohibited people are prohibited from purchase or possession. You should know this. Blame the US military. He passed the background check. So as always your Soros talking points are bullshit.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/air-force-didnt-report-texas-shooters-domestic-violence-conviction-to-federal-database-allowing-him-to-buy-guns.html
    You didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did. Can you buy heroin? Still illegal.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Evil nut bags exist. Fortunately some local showed up and shot at the pussy gunman who dropped his gun and ran.

    Terrorists.

    The word is terrorists.


    Hope this helps.
    That would depend on his motives which we don't know at this point. Did you call Ted Bundy a terrorist?
    He killed 26 people at a church. What motive do you want?
    Dishonorable discharged from the military. Bet money he had issues mentally and socially and probably on psych drugs. Most of these mass shooters are.
    I'm right but there is nothing unusual about that.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

    Are you talking to yourself?

    And he was able to legally purchase the weapon. Even tho US law says he can't. Imagine if we were to close gun show, internet, and private sale loopholes.
    Imagine if someone present had a gun. You can't stop these types of people from obtaining weapons. You can shoot them dead.
    You are clearly confusing the ability to purchase versus the ability to possess. There are many legal ways for people to buy guns who are not allowed to possess guns. Why do you think it violates the second amendment to require background checks on all purchases?
    Prohibited people are prohibited from purchase or possession. You should know this. Blame the US military. He passed the background check. So as always your Soros talking points are bullshit.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/air-force-didnt-report-texas-shooters-domestic-violence-conviction-to-federal-database-allowing-him-to-buy-guns.html
    You didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did. Can you buy heroin? Still illegal.
    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    You walked into that one Sled.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited November 2017

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Evil nut bags exist. Fortunately some local showed up and shot at the pussy gunman who dropped his gun and ran.

    Terrorists.

    The word is terrorists.


    Hope this helps.
    That would depend on his motives which we don't know at this point. Did you call Ted Bundy a terrorist?
    He killed 26 people at a church. What motive do you want?
    Dishonorable discharged from the military. Bet money he had issues mentally and socially and probably on psych drugs. Most of these mass shooters are.
    I'm right but there is nothing unusual about that.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

    Are you talking to yourself?

    And he was able to legally purchase the weapon. Even tho US law says he can't. Imagine if we were to close gun show, internet, and private sale loopholes.
    Imagine if someone present had a gun. You can't stop these types of people from obtaining weapons. You can shoot them dead.
    You are clearly confusing the ability to purchase versus the ability to possess. There are many legal ways for people to buy guns who are not allowed to possess guns. Why do you think it violates the second amendment to require background checks on all purchases?
    Prohibited people are prohibited from purchase or possession. You should know this. Blame the US military. He passed the background check. So as always your Soros talking points are bullshit.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/air-force-didnt-report-texas-shooters-domestic-violence-conviction-to-federal-database-allowing-him-to-buy-guns.html
    You didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did. Can you buy heroin? Still illegal.
    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    You walked into that one Sled.
    Sure as fuck did.

    Anyone with a brain would have seen it coming - but this is Sledog.

    And double fuck him for getting me to upvote a Hondo post.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Evil nut bags exist. Fortunately some local showed up and shot at the pussy gunman who dropped his gun and ran.

    Terrorists.

    The word is terrorists.


    Hope this helps.
    That would depend on his motives which we don't know at this point. Did you call Ted Bundy a terrorist?
    He killed 26 people at a church. What motive do you want?
    Dishonorable discharged from the military. Bet money he had issues mentally and socially and probably on psych drugs. Most of these mass shooters are.
    I'm right but there is nothing unusual about that.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

    Are you talking to yourself?

    And he was able to legally purchase the weapon. Even tho US law says he can't. Imagine if we were to close gun show, internet, and private sale loopholes.
    Imagine if someone present had a gun. You can't stop these types of people from obtaining weapons. You can shoot them dead.
    You are clearly confusing the ability to purchase versus the ability to possess. There are many legal ways for people to buy guns who are not allowed to possess guns. Why do you think it violates the second amendment to require background checks on all purchases?
    Prohibited people are prohibited from purchase or possession. You should know this. Blame the US military. He passed the background check. So as always your Soros talking points are bullshit.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/air-force-didnt-report-texas-shooters-domestic-violence-conviction-to-federal-database-allowing-him-to-buy-guns.html
    You didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did. Can you buy heroin? Still illegal.
    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    image
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Evil nut bags exist. Fortunately some local showed up and shot at the pussy gunman who dropped his gun and ran.

    Terrorists.

    The word is terrorists.


    Hope this helps.
    That would depend on his motives which we don't know at this point. Did you call Ted Bundy a terrorist?
    He killed 26 people at a church. What motive do you want?
    Dishonorable discharged from the military. Bet money he had issues mentally and socially and probably on psych drugs. Most of these mass shooters are.
    I'm right but there is nothing unusual about that.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

    Are you talking to yourself?

    And he was able to legally purchase the weapon. Even tho US law says he can't. Imagine if we were to close gun show, internet, and private sale loopholes.
    Imagine if someone present had a gun. You can't stop these types of people from obtaining weapons. You can shoot them dead.
    You are clearly confusing the ability to purchase versus the ability to possess. There are many legal ways for people to buy guns who are not allowed to possess guns. Why do you think it violates the second amendment to require background checks on all purchases?
    Prohibited people are prohibited from purchase or possession. You should know this. Blame the US military. He passed the background check. So as always your Soros talking points are bullshit.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/air-force-didnt-report-texas-shooters-domestic-violence-conviction-to-federal-database-allowing-him-to-buy-guns.html
    You didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did. Can you buy heroin? Still illegal.
    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    You just won that round.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    dflea said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Evil nut bags exist. Fortunately some local showed up and shot at the pussy gunman who dropped his gun and ran.

    Terrorists.

    The word is terrorists.


    Hope this helps.
    That would depend on his motives which we don't know at this point. Did you call Ted Bundy a terrorist?
    He killed 26 people at a church. What motive do you want?
    Dishonorable discharged from the military. Bet money he had issues mentally and socially and probably on psych drugs. Most of these mass shooters are.
    I'm right but there is nothing unusual about that.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

    Are you talking to yourself?

    And he was able to legally purchase the weapon. Even tho US law says he can't. Imagine if we were to close gun show, internet, and private sale loopholes.
    Imagine if someone present had a gun. You can't stop these types of people from obtaining weapons. You can shoot them dead.
    You are clearly confusing the ability to purchase versus the ability to possess. There are many legal ways for people to buy guns who are not allowed to possess guns. Why do you think it violates the second amendment to require background checks on all purchases?
    Prohibited people are prohibited from purchase or possession. You should know this. Blame the US military. He passed the background check. So as always your Soros talking points are bullshit.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/air-force-didnt-report-texas-shooters-domestic-violence-conviction-to-federal-database-allowing-him-to-buy-guns.html
    You didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did. Can you buy heroin? Still illegal.
    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    You walked into that one Sled.
    Sure as fuck did.

    Anyone with a brain would have seen it coming - but this is Sledog.

    And double fuck him for getting me to upvote a Hondo post.
    TYFYS