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NoYellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
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Strange. WWII ended in 1945. Vactican II and Nostra Aetate didn't happen until 1965.RaceBannon said:
NoYellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
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For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground. -
Religion involves deity worship and people are not gods, so your cult of personality as a religion argument is invalid. Hitler was a cult of personality figure, people worshipped him as if he were a god, but Hitlerism was not a religion. It revolved around a living person, a human. Himmler tried to create a state religion based on Norse mythology but failed, it never took off.YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
There's no need to refute your argument regarding the communists, they were avowed athiests, all we need to do is take them at their word. Stalin and Mao, like Hitler, were cult of personality figures. Stalinism and Maoism don't qualify as religions. The Nazis and Communists, whose movements originated in socialism, both attempted to remove religion from the fabric of society. These were both atheistic movements at their core. Taken together, they are responsible for most of history's murders. -
Gott Mit Uns...GrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground.
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nice belt buckleYellowSnow said:
Gott Mit Uns...GrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground. -
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide. -
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
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oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
I was being generous with the 10%. -
Nice cut and paste from the first chart you found on google search that confirms your fake narrative. If 70 percent of the country were actually Christian, Obama never would have become president and the democrats would never win another election. Simple logic.UWhuskytskeet said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
I was being generous with the 10%.
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I haven't seen a thread with such a bunch of
Potoregonblitzkrieg said:
Nice cut and paste from the first chart you found on google search that confirms your fake narrative. If 70 percent of the country were actually Christian, Obama never would have become president and the democrats would never win another election. Simple logic.UWhuskytskeet said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
I was being generous with the 10%.
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Nice use of the quote feature, faggot.dflea said:I haven't seen a thread with such a bunch of
Potoregonblitzkrieg said:
Nice cut and paste from the first chart you found on google search that confirms your fake narrative. If 70 percent of the country were actually Christian, Obama never would have become president and the democrats would never win another election. Simple logic.UWhuskytskeet said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
I was being generous with the 10%.
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I choose to believe you are a parody account.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Nice cut and paste from the first chart you found on google search that confirms your fake narrative. If 70 percent of the country were actually Christian, Obama never would have become president and the democrats would never win another election. Simple logic.UWhuskytskeet said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
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You should have seen the way I used your mom last night.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Nice use of the quote feature, faggot.dflea said:I haven't seen a thread with such a bunch of
Potoregonblitzkrieg said:
Nice cut and paste from the first chart you found on google search that confirms your fake narrative. If 70 percent of the country were actually Christian, Obama never would have become president and the democrats would never win another election. Simple logic.UWhuskytskeet said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
I was being generous with the 10%.
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Well, the Thirty Years War (i.e., Europe's bloodiest religious war) likely killed a far greater percentage of Europe's population that WWII. WWI was the start of industrialized warfare, and German Empire, Russian Empire, Austrian Empire, were all officially Christian nations who thought the Christian God was on their side and before proceeding to slaughter each other on an amazing scale. You don't get WWII w/o WWIGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence. Replacing belief in deities with state religion/ politics as religion is not atheism. There's still a quasi-religious aspect going on here with how Hitler and Stalin were "deified" by those populations. Furthermore as Chris Hitchens once put it, there was "“reservoir of religious credulity,” at play in both of those countries which made it easy to be servile to those new regimes.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them. Point being anti-Semitism in Europe didn't come from some sort of atheist belief. Whether it was more cultural or theological is irrelevant. Anti-Semitism in the West has its roots in the Western Christian tradition. Sure, the Roman Catholic Church wasn't persecuting Jews anymore by the mid 20th century like had occurred during the inquisition, but as I referenced earlier, the official church position on the role of the Jews in the killing of Christ did not change until 1965.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground. -
People Race blindly supports: Jim L. Mora, Donald J. Trump, OBK.
Yeesh. -
WWI & WWII were not religious wars.YellowSnow said:
Well, the Thirty Years War (i.e., Europe's bloodiest religious war) likely killed a far greater percentage of Europe's population that WWII. WWI was the start of industrialized warfare, and German Empire, Russian Empire, Austrian Empire, were all officially Christian nations who thought the Christian God was on their side and before proceeding to slaughter each other on an amazing scale. You don't get WWII w/o WWIGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence. Replacing belief in deities with state religion/ politics as religion is not atheism. There's still a quasi-religious aspect going on here with how Hitler and Stalin were "deified" by those populations. Furthermore as Chris Hitchens once put it, there was "“reservoir of religious credulity,” at play in both of those countries which made it easy to be servile to those new regimes.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them. Point being anti-Semitism in Europe didn't come from some sort of atheist belief. Whether it was more cultural or theological is irrelevant. Anti-Semitism in the West has its roots in the Western Christian tradition. Sure, the Roman Catholic Church wasn't persecuting Jews anymore by the mid 20th century like had occurred during the inquisition, but as I referenced earlier, the official church position on the role of the Jews in the killing of Christ did not change until 1965.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground. -
Bold poast. Key word 'percentage.' Unbolded it to highlight because it's central to yourYellowSnow said:
Well, the Thirty Years War (i.e., Europe's bloodiest religious war) likely killed a far greater percentage of Europe's population that WWII. WWI was the start of industrialized warfare, and German Empire, Russian Empire, Austrian Empire, were all officially Christian nations who thought the Christian God was on their side and before proceeding to slaughter each other on an amazing scale. You don't get WWII w/o WWIGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence. Replacing belief in deities with state religion/ politics as religion is not atheism. There's still a quasi-religious aspect going on here with how Hitler and Stalin were "deified" by those populations. Furthermore as Chris Hitchens once put it, there was "“reservoir of religious credulity,” at play in both of those countries which made it easy to be servile to those new regimes.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them. Point being anti-Semitism in Europe didn't come from some sort of atheist belief. Whether it was more cultural or theological is irrelevant. Anti-Semitism in the West has its roots in the Western Christian tradition. Sure, the Roman Catholic Church wasn't persecuting Jews anymore by the mid 20th century like had occurred during the inquisition, but as I referenced earlier, the official church position on the role of the Jews in the killing of Christ did not change until 1965.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground.argumenttwist. -
Didn't say they were. You said "In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground". WWI is the start of industrialized warfare in Europe. The regimes that started it were not atheistic. All of the brutal regimes that came thereafter were rooted in the carnage of WWI.GrundleStiltzkin said:
WWI & WWII were not religious wars.YellowSnow said:
Well, the Thirty Years War (i.e., Europe's bloodiest religious war) likely killed a far greater percentage of Europe's population that WWII. WWI was the start of industrialized warfare, and German Empire, Russian Empire, Austrian Empire, were all officially Christian nations who thought the Christian God was on their side and before proceeding to slaughter each other on an amazing scale. You don't get WWII w/o WWIGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence. Replacing belief in deities with state religion/ politics as religion is not atheism. There's still a quasi-religious aspect going on here with how Hitler and Stalin were "deified" by those populations. Furthermore as Chris Hitchens once put it, there was "“reservoir of religious credulity,” at play in both of those countries which made it easy to be servile to those new regimes.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them. Point being anti-Semitism in Europe didn't come from some sort of atheist belief. Whether it was more cultural or theological is irrelevant. Anti-Semitism in the West has its roots in the Western Christian tradition. Sure, the Roman Catholic Church wasn't persecuting Jews anymore by the mid 20th century like had occurred during the inquisition, but as I referenced earlier, the official church position on the role of the Jews in the killing of Christ did not change until 1965.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground. -
That's fair.YellowSnow said:
Didn't say they were. You said "In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground". WWI is the start of industrialized warfare in Europe. The regimes that started it were not atheistic. All of the brutal regimes that came thereafter were rooted in the carnage of WWI.GrundleStiltzkin said:
WWI & WWII were not religious wars.YellowSnow said:
Well, the Thirty Years War (i.e., Europe's bloodiest religious war) likely killed a far greater percentage of Europe's population that WWII. WWI was the start of industrialized warfare, and German Empire, Russian Empire, Austrian Empire, were all officially Christian nations who thought the Christian God was on their side and before proceeding to slaughter each other on an amazing scale. You don't get WWII w/o WWIGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence. Replacing belief in deities with state religion/ politics as religion is not atheism. There's still a quasi-religious aspect going on here with how Hitler and Stalin were "deified" by those populations. Furthermore as Chris Hitchens once put it, there was "“reservoir of religious credulity,” at play in both of those countries which made it easy to be servile to those new regimes.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them. Point being anti-Semitism in Europe didn't come from some sort of atheist belief. Whether it was more cultural or theological is irrelevant. Anti-Semitism in the West has its roots in the Western Christian tradition. Sure, the Roman Catholic Church wasn't persecuting Jews anymore by the mid 20th century like had occurred during the inquisition, but as I referenced earlier, the official church position on the role of the Jews in the killing of Christ did not change until 1965.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground. -
From family experience, I know this to be untrueGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. -
I've read a lot of stupid shit on this board. I've posted a lot of stupid shit. You sir, just won the most fucktarded post in history.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Nice cut and paste from the first chart you found on google search that confirms your fake narrative. If 70 percent of the country were actually Christian, Obama never would have become president and the democrats would never win another election. Simple logic.UWhuskytskeet said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
I was being generous with the 10%. -
Chinteresting. It's something I've read in last year, didn't research farther than that. Hence the qualifier.BearsWiin said:
From family experience, I know this to be untrueGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. -
Killing as a percentage of total population and/or military age population is a better metric.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Bold poast. Key word 'percentage.' Unbolded it to highlight because it's central to yourYellowSnow said:
Well, the Thirty Years War (i.e., Europe's bloodiest religious war) likely killed a far greater percentage of Europe's population that WWII. WWI was the start of industrialized warfare, and German Empire, Russian Empire, Austrian Empire, were all officially Christian nations who thought the Christian God was on their side and before proceeding to slaughter each other on an amazing scale. You don't get WWII w/o WWIGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist. You contradicted yourself within the same sentence. Replacing belief in deities with state religion/ politics as religion is not atheism. There's still a quasi-religious aspect going on here with how Hitler and Stalin were "deified" by those populations. Furthermore as Chris Hitchens once put it, there was "“reservoir of religious credulity,” at play in both of those countries which made it easy to be servile to those new regimes.
Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way)
Culturally, perhaps. But theological anti-Semitism in any systematic way, no. Nazis only tolerate the Catholic, Lutheran and other Christian churches within Germany as far as they could corrupt them. Point being anti-Semitism in Europe didn't come from some sort of atheist belief. Whether it was more cultural or theological is irrelevant. Anti-Semitism in the West has its roots in the Western Christian tradition. Sure, the Roman Catholic Church wasn't persecuting Jews anymore by the mid 20th century like had occurred during the inquisition, but as I referenced earlier, the official church position on the role of the Jews in the killing of Christ did not change until 1965.
Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism.
Over the whole course of human history, who knows. In the era of mechanized, industrialized warfare, the atheist regimes have certainly made up ground.argumenttwist. -
Winners win.2001400ex said:
I've read a lot of stupid shit on this board. I've posted a lot of stupid shit. You sir, just won the most fucktarded post in history.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Nice cut and paste from the first chart you found on google search that confirms your fake narrative. If 70 percent of the country were actually Christian, Obama never would have become president and the democrats would never win another election. Simple logic.UWhuskytskeet said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
That would mean 90% of the country is Christian, with some Muslims, Hindus and other minority religions mixed in. That's minority from a numbers standpoint, so don't twist. Total bullshit figure.UWhuskytskeet said:
Fun fact, only 10% of the US is atheist. Are you really claiming they kill at 7 times the rate of Christians?oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
If you need a book of fairy tales to keep you from raping and murdering, consider suicide.
I was being generous with the 10%.
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Last I checked Mohammed was a human. You don't think Islamocucks are part of a wildly successful personality cult that's found a way to persist and expand for hundreds of years? A religion is an old cult or a cult is a new religion.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Religion involves deity worship and people are not gods, so your cult of personality as a religion argument is invalid. Hitler was a cult of personality figure, people worshipped him as if he were a god, but Hitlerism was not a religion. It revolved around a living person, a human. Himmler tried to create a state religion based on Norse mythology but failed, it never took off.YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
There's no need to refute your argument regarding the communists, they were avowed athiests, all we need to do is take them at their word. Stalin and Mao, like Hitler, were cult of personality figures. Stalinism and Maoism don't qualify as religions. The Nazis and Communists, whose movements originated in socialism, both attempted to remove religion from the fabric of society. These were both atheistic movements at their core. Taken together, they are responsible for most of history's murders. -
There is no God but God, and Mohammed is His prophet.RedRocket said:
Last I checked Mohammed was a human. You don't think Islamocucks are part of a wildly successful personality cult that's found a way to persist and expand for hundreds of years? A religion is an old cult or a cult is a new religion.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Religion involves deity worship and people are not gods, so your cult of personality as a religion argument is invalid. Hitler was a cult of personality figure, people worshipped him as if he were a god, but Hitlerism was not a religion. It revolved around a living person, a human. Himmler tried to create a state religion based on Norse mythology but failed, it never took off.YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
There's no need to refute your argument regarding the communists, they were avowed athiests, all we need to do is take them at their word. Stalin and Mao, like Hitler, were cult of personality figures. Stalinism and Maoism don't qualify as religions. The Nazis and Communists, whose movements originated in socialism, both attempted to remove religion from the fabric of society. These were both atheistic movements at their core. Taken together, they are responsible for most of history's murders. -
LolBearsWiin said:
From family experience, I know this to be untrueGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist.
Pretty sure my Grandfather was Lutheran or Catholic or some shit
But he was not in the SS. Just a run of the mill German soldier. Don't twist. -
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Grandfather was Wehrmacht, great uncle was an SS officerPitchfork51 said:
LolBearsWiin said:
From family experience, I know this to be untrueGrundleStiltzkin said:
For starters:YellowSnow said:
Clean it up guys. "Bull shit stretch" or "All over the place" are not valid arguments. The points I made above are historically accurate.GrundleStiltzkin said:
All over the place.YellowSnow said:
Where am I wrong exactly?RaceBannon said:
Bull shit stretchYellowSnow said:
OBK you ignorant slut, what the fuck is this shit? Far more people have been killed for religious reasons in human history than anything remotely having to do with atheism or agnosticism. Where do you think the Nazi's got their anti-Semitism from? I'm sure it just came about in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 2000 years of Roman Catholic theology (Hitler was a baptized Catholic by the way). Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.oregonblitzkrieg said:Fun fact: most murderers are athiest. Just ask Dahmer. He claimed in interviews it was the lack of permanent consequences for his actions, deriving from atheism, that made it ok in his mind to commit his horrible deeds. And most atheists identify with the left wing -socialists/democrats/communists/nazis. Yeah, you read that right, nazis. They were socialists: https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Remove the threat of permanent consequences for peoples' actions on Earth and anything goes. Everything is ok, everything is permitted, including murder. And the left wing murdered on a massive scale in Europe and elsewhere. Both Communism and Nazism were radical athiest movements that originated on the left. You might not like religion, but it can act as a buffer zone to keep peoples' worst behavior in check. The exception is Islam, which specifically incites murder and instructs its followers to kill in the name of Allah.
Furthermore, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., were not atheistic movements, rather, they just replaced Christianity (or whatever the national religion was) with gods (personality cults) of a different kind.
Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist and I Maoist are explicitly atheist. While Communism replaces religious-centering & trappings with state-centricism and symbols, and "state as religion" can be used as shorthand to describe it, they are not theist. God or gods are transcendent and outside of the state, and thus cannot be tolerated. Same with Nazism. I believe to be a member of the SS, you must be a sworn atheist.
Pretty sure my Grandfather was Lutheran or Catholic or some shit
But he was not in the SS. Just a run of the mill German soldier. Don't twist.
