Here's a question for you boys: As of today from strictly a recruiting standpoint, would we have been better to have just ripped the band aid off w/ Jimmy Lake leaving to be the DC at Cal, as there can't be any top level DB who thinks Lake will be here after this season?
So this is a great question and one that we started diving into during this pod ... and honestly, I fully expect that we'll be revisiting this question a few times between now and the end of the year.
It's the definition of a LIPO to me because regardless of which side of the argument you fall on, there are great opinions that are completely logical.
On one hand, Jimmy Lake is a fantastic DB coach and a tremendous recruiter. While it seems inevitable that he'll move on at some point given that he has some long term career ambitions, why you'd ever want to move on from him seems really stupid. Assuming he lands a really strong class this year leading into the early Signing Day this argument seems fucktarded.
On the other hand, the evidence is pretty clear so far that we have exactly ZERO DB recruits whereas last year we had 2 in place at this time. Moreover, for many of the top kids on the West Coast, we're not really in the discussion for them ... which is fairly strange when your program just put 3 kids out in the top 45 of the draft and to varying degrees each of the 3 could have very easily been a 1st round pick (Sidney if he didn't tear his Achilles was likely a sure thing, Kevin fell due to DBs being an abundance position in the draft so teams were able to trade back, and Budda was right there in the mid 30's). The longer we look to be in trouble at DB, the more this becomes an issue. As we hypothesized in setting the stage for the 2018 class, one area we expected to struggle was at DB and it is playing out.
Me personally, I probably lean a bit to the argument that we may have been better off for Jimmy to be elsewhere assuming that we miss on most of our 2018 targets. If the class turns out really good, we get them locked by the early Signing Day, and Lake leaves after the fact, it's really hard to complain then.
But unquestionably at this point, we're walking a really tight line on DB recruiting this year. The great news is that while we are breaking in some new players this year the position group on the whole is young and very talented. But if we miss this year, and assuming Lake leaves, it will put pressure on whoever Lake's replacement is (likely Gerald Alexander) to come in and hit the ground running.
This is some truly doogtastic shit. We are better with Jimmy Lake. This is a made up argument.
It's far from an easy question ... it's really a gray answer versus an easy black or white
Honestly it will depend on what the DB class looks like this year
Disagree
So if we get an underwhelming DB class and Lake leaves after the season, you don't have any issues with the down stream implications?
Or put a different way, you see the short term upside to Lake as being more valuable than the long-term holes in the secondary?
I'm of the opinion the DB class will be good this year. But the secondary is going to be great long term, even if it's not.
And if the secondary isn't great long term it's because we hired a shit DB coach after Jimmy the GOAT, which only illustrates why keeping Lake for longer is more beneficial.
I'd call them opinions rather than assumptions but not a big deal.
Here's my argument in it's simplest form. Feel free to point out the "assumptions".
1. We have plenty of secondary talent but it's inexperienced. We lose hardly anyone after this year.
2. Given 1, coaching is more critical for this specific 12 month period this year than recruiting.
3. Lake is a great fucking coach.
I have some assumptions on this as well, like this year's class plus last year's class with Lake is going to be as good or bettter than what would have been left of last year's class and this year's class with someone else. But that doesn't matter, even if I'm wrong on that we're still better having Lake for his coaching.
Took me three days to get to the last half hour... lol absolutely spectacular drunk poding from Teq trying to sound smart arguing about Texas.
1. from week 13 on no Texas teams were ranked in the top 25 after A&M spectacularly flamed out. Combine that with Bob Stoops leaving and Texas/North Texas is as open as it's been in 20 years. 2. Who gives a fuck how big highschools are in Texas? classic Texas fucktard logic equating size to quality (or volume of voice to quality of argument) 3. After getting cut down a bit by DDY, I agree on going after Tier 2 recruits in Texas to fill in the gaps as Texans are prideful vengeful fucks and they come with large chips on their shoulders. 4. Bolton and Curne are perfect examples of how we should approach Texas, assuming we can keep them. 5. Enjoy Peterman holding the Texas commitment announcements off until after you've recorded this pood to make it instantly outdated.
Took me three days to get to the last half hour... lol absolutely spectacular drunk poding from Teq trying to sound smart arguing about Texas.
1. from week 13 on no Texas teams were ranked in the top 25 after A&M spectacularly flamed out. Combine that with Bob Stoops leaving and Texas/North Texas is as open as it's been in 20 years. 2. Who gives a fuck how big highschools are in Texas? classic Texas fucktard logic equating size to quality (or volume of voice to quality of argument) 3. After getting cut down a bit by DDY, I agree on going after Tier 2 recruits in Texas to fill in the gaps as Texans are prideful vengeful fucks and they come with large chips on their shoulders. 4. Bolton and Curne are perfect examples of how we should approach Texas, assuming we can keep them. 5. Enjoy Peterman holding the Texas commitment announcements off until after you've recorded this pood to make it instantly outdated.
So we are going into a state where if you ask kids what they know about the state here's what they say: Starbucks started there, Russell Wilson plays for the Seahawks, Ted Bundy went to UW (just kidding) and Amazon/Jeff Bezos are here.
Then if you gave them a blank map of Alaska, British Columbia and Washington State, and said which state is ours, 50% of them would pick one of other two.
How can this recruiting philosophy not work out?
Smart ass commentary aside, is it too early in the process to be bagging DDY Tier 2 kids? Does this mean we've already moved on from the top 10 type kids for this years class that we missed on last year?
You guys said it best on the POD. These are the kids you can compete for a NC with, and not need every play/break to go your way in order to get the win.
Took me three days to get to the last half hour... lol absolutely spectacular drunk poding from Teq trying to sound smart arguing about Texas.
1. from week 13 on no Texas teams were ranked in the top 25 after A&M spectacularly flamed out. Combine that with Bob Stoops leaving and Texas/North Texas is as open as it's been in 20 years. 2. Who gives a fuck how big highschools are in Texas? classic Texas fucktard logic equating size to quality (or volume of voice to quality of argument) 3. After getting cut down a bit by DDY, I agree on going after Tier 2 recruits in Texas to fill in the gaps as Texans are prideful vengeful fucks and they come with large chips on their shoulders. 4. Bolton and Curne are perfect examples of how we should approach Texas, assuming we can keep them. 5. Enjoy Peterman holding the Texas commitment announcements off until after you've recorded this pood to make it instantly outdated.
1) Bingo - the entire State is largely open right now
2) the point with size is just pointing out how large the talent pool is - particularly compared to Washington
3) tier 2 Texas recruits are our initial in in Texas leading to getting an elite guy down the line
4) I expect that we will keep both Bolton and Curne
In an ideal world your entire 85 man roster is elite ... that's also not reality
But reality is half the roster is that ... rest filled by a combo of rare/special athletes that are raw+ guys that are high DDY 2's ... but leaning towards the rare athletes
Haven't finished reading thread but lol @ TCU MBA and his arguments. Are you fucking serious? Better off without Lake?
Who has been coaching up the best secondary in the country? The secondary that held the SEC player of the year on the 2nd best team in the nation to 50 yards passing in Atlanta.
There is nothing comparable to this pod for UW out there right now. Every episode speaks to the heart, but they aren't perfect. TCU hick needs to talk way fucking less. Down's syndrome fan often repeats the same points 4+ eps in a row but is always insightful. The gay african is all over the place in a brilliant, homosexual, John Forbes Nash Jr kind of way. Can't wait for conference preview.
There is nothing comparable to this pod for UW out there right now. Every episode speaks to the heart, but they aren't perfect. TCU hick needs to talk way fucking less. Down's syndrome fan often repeats the same points 4+ eps in a row but is always insightful. The gay african is all over the place in a brilliant, homosexual, John Forbes Nash Jr kind of way. Can't wait for conference preview.
There is nothing comparable to this pod for UW out there right now. Every episode speaks to the heart, but they aren't perfect. TCU hick needs to talk way fucking less. Down's syndrome fan often repeats the same points 4+ eps in a row but is always insightful. The gay african is all over the place in a brilliant, homosexual, John Forbes Nash Jr kind of way. Can't wait for conference preview.
Few random thoughts after listening to this on my headphones in the middle of the night while Claps Like a Seal (CLS from here on out) sleeps softly beside me - kidding on the softly part, she farted so loudly 30 minutes ago I heard it over Tequilla yelling about TEXAS!
Thanks for my early pood shoutout. I seek my validation here so good job providing it. All three of your wagon's are safe for another week.
As someone who lived in Texas for many, many years, please stop talking about it so much. Fucking miserable hot place full of cowboys, racists, queers and messicans. Good food though. So basically talk more about messican food joints, or barbeque joints, or hot ass fake titted fake blond twangy whores, and less about everything else. TIA.
I love all three of you idiots, in both a manly and sexual way, but could you degenerates please shut up and let Pepsi make a goddamn point once in awhile? He usually has some of the best points on the whole pood, which I generally can barely hear over Dennis clanking glasses and saying "wait wait here's my point" and Tequilla shouting "TEXAS!"
When you guys get drunk by the end can you speed up the playback by about 20 percent. That's my approximation of how much slower your mouths are moving when drunk.
You really missed a good opportunity when talking about midget porn to not plug the "Wigwam." You really fucked me there guys.
Pepsi wins haiku of the week, mostly by default. Tequilla yelled his and Dennis was too fucked up to make much sense. But good job, good effort.
Who the fuck is Andrew Percival? Just kidding. I know him. We fucked. (before I knew you @dnc)
Can the dumb ones like me get a trigger warning the next time the podcast will contain so much math?
Few random thoughts after listening to this on my headphones in the middle of the night while Claps Like a Seal (CLS from here on out) sleeps softly beside me - kidding on the softly part, she farted so loudly 30 minutes ago I heard it over Tequilla yelling about TEXAS!
Thanks for my early pood shoutout. I seek my validation here so good job providing it. All three of your wagon's are safe for another week.
As someone who lived in Texas for many, many years, please stop talking about it so much. Fucking miserable hot place full of cowboys, racists, queers and messicans. Good food though. So basically talk more about messican food joints, or barbeque joints, or hot ass fake titted fake blond twangy whores, and less about everything else. TIA.
I love all three of you idiots, in both a manly and sexual way, but could you degenerates please shut up and let Pepsi make a goddamn point once in awhile? He usually has some of the best points on the whole pood, which I generally can barely hear over Dennis clanking glasses and saying "wait wait here's my point" and Tequilla shouting "TEXAS!"
When you guys get drunk by the end can you speed up the playback by about 20 percent. That's my approximation of how much slower your mouths are moving when drunk.
You really missed a good opportunity when talking about midget porn to not plug the "Wigwam." You really fucked me there guys.
Pepsi wins haiku of the week, mostly by default. Tequilla yelled his and Dennis was too fucked up to make much sense. But good job, good effort.
Who the fuck is Andrew Percival? Just kidding. I know him. We fucked. (before I knew you @dnc)
Can the dumb ones like me get a trigger warning the next time the podcast will contain so much math?
I know you're all dying to hear my extended thoughts on the pod as well, so I'm just dropping by to say that you'll have my first 20-page draft by the end of September, when I might have finished listening to the first 2/3rds of it.
Comments
And if the secondary isn't great long term it's because we hired a shit DB coach after Jimmy the GOAT, which only illustrates why keeping Lake for longer is more beneficial.
Here's my argument in it's simplest form. Feel free to point out the "assumptions".
1. We have plenty of secondary talent but it's inexperienced. We lose hardly anyone after this year.
2. Given 1, coaching is more critical for this specific 12 month period this year than recruiting.
3. Lake is a great fucking coach.
I have some assumptions on this as well, like this year's class plus last year's class with Lake is going to be as good or bettter than what would have been left of last year's class and this year's class with someone else. But that doesn't matter, even if I'm wrong on that we're still better having Lake for his coaching.
1. from week 13 on no Texas teams were ranked in the top 25 after A&M spectacularly flamed out. Combine that with Bob Stoops leaving and Texas/North Texas is as open as it's been in 20 years.
2. Who gives a fuck how big highschools are in Texas? classic Texas fucktard logic equating size to quality (or volume of voice to quality of argument)
3. After getting cut down a bit by DDY, I agree on going after Tier 2 recruits in Texas to fill in the gaps as Texans are prideful vengeful fucks and they come with large chips on their shoulders.
4. Bolton and Curne are perfect examples of how we should approach Texas, assuming we can keep them.
5. Enjoy Peterman holding the Texas commitment announcements off until after you've recorded this pood to make it instantly outdated.
Then if you gave them a blank map of Alaska, British Columbia and Washington State, and said which state is ours, 50% of them would pick one of other two.
How can this recruiting philosophy not work out?
Smart ass commentary aside, is it too early in the process to be bagging DDY Tier 2 kids? Does this mean we've already moved on from the top 10 type kids for this years class that we missed on last year?
You guys said it best on the POD. These are the kids you can compete for a NC with, and not need every play/break to go your way in order to get the win.
2) the point with size is just pointing out how large the talent pool is - particularly compared to Washington
3) tier 2 Texas recruits are our initial in in Texas leading to getting an elite guy down the line
4) I expect that we will keep both Bolton and Curne
5) you are just lucky we pod at all
But reality is half the roster is that ... rest filled by a combo of rare/special athletes that are raw+ guys that are high DDY 2's ... but leaning towards the rare athletes
Who has been coaching up the best secondary in the country? The secondary that held the SEC player of the year on the 2nd best team in the nation to 50 yards passing in Atlanta.
WJW
Thanks for my early pood shoutout. I seek my validation here so good job providing it. All three of your wagon's are safe for another week.
As someone who lived in Texas for many, many years, please stop talking about it so much. Fucking miserable hot place full of cowboys, racists, queers and messicans. Good food though. So basically talk more about messican food joints, or barbeque joints, or hot ass fake titted fake blond twangy whores, and less about everything else. TIA.
I love all three of you idiots, in both a manly and sexual way, but could you degenerates please shut up and let Pepsi make a goddamn point once in awhile? He usually has some of the best points on the whole pood, which I generally can barely hear over Dennis clanking glasses and saying "wait wait here's my point" and Tequilla shouting "TEXAS!"
When you guys get drunk by the end can you speed up the playback by about 20 percent. That's my approximation of how much slower your mouths are moving when drunk.
You really missed a good opportunity when talking about midget porn to not plug the "Wigwam." You really fucked me there guys.
Pepsi wins haiku of the week, mostly by default. Tequilla yelled his and Dennis was too fucked up to make much sense. But good job, good effort.
Who the fuck is Andrew Percival? Just kidding. I know him. We fucked. (before I knew you @dnc)
Can the dumb ones like me get a trigger warning the next time the podcast will contain so much math?