TSiO Episode #32: Texas, Tequila, and Regional Recruiting Data...
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I'm of the opinion the DB class will be good this year. But the secondary is going to be great long term, even if it's not.Tequilla said:
So if we get an underwhelming DB class and Lake leaves after the season, you don't have any issues with the down stream implications?dnc said:
DisagreeTequilla said:
It's far from an easy question ... it's really a gray answer versus an easy black or whiteRoadDawg55 said:
This is some truly doogtastic shit. We are better with Jimmy Lake. This is a made up argument.Tequilla said:
So this is a great question and one that we started diving into during this pod ... and honestly, I fully expect that we'll be revisiting this question a few times between now and the end of the year.godawgst said:Glad to see a new Podcast.
Here's a question for you boys: As of today from strictly a recruiting standpoint, would we have been better to have just ripped the band aid off w/ Jimmy Lake leaving to be the DC at Cal, as there can't be any top level DB who thinks Lake will be here after this season?
It's the definition of a LIPO to me because regardless of which side of the argument you fall on, there are great opinions that are completely logical.
On one hand, Jimmy Lake is a fantastic DB coach and a tremendous recruiter. While it seems inevitable that he'll move on at some point given that he has some long term career ambitions, why you'd ever want to move on from him seems really stupid. Assuming he lands a really strong class this year leading into the early Signing Day this argument seems fucktarded.
On the other hand, the evidence is pretty clear so far that we have exactly ZERO DB recruits whereas last year we had 2 in place at this time. Moreover, for many of the top kids on the West Coast, we're not really in the discussion for them ... which is fairly strange when your program just put 3 kids out in the top 45 of the draft and to varying degrees each of the 3 could have very easily been a 1st round pick (Sidney if he didn't tear his Achilles was likely a sure thing, Kevin fell due to DBs being an abundance position in the draft so teams were able to trade back, and Budda was right there in the mid 30's). The longer we look to be in trouble at DB, the more this becomes an issue. As we hypothesized in setting the stage for the 2018 class, one area we expected to struggle was at DB and it is playing out.
Me personally, I probably lean a bit to the argument that we may have been better off for Jimmy to be elsewhere assuming that we miss on most of our 2018 targets. If the class turns out really good, we get them locked by the early Signing Day, and Lake leaves after the fact, it's really hard to complain then.
But unquestionably at this point, we're walking a really tight line on DB recruiting this year. The great news is that while we are breaking in some new players this year the position group on the whole is young and very talented. But if we miss this year, and assuming Lake leaves, it will put pressure on whoever Lake's replacement is (likely Gerald Alexander) to come in and hit the ground running.
Honestly it will depend on what the DB class looks like this year
Or put a different way, you see the short term upside to Lake as being more valuable than the long-term holes in the secondary?
And if the secondary isn't great long term it's because we hired a shit DB coach after Jimmy the GOAT, which only illustrates why keeping Lake for longer is more beneficial.
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Lots of assumptions there DNC
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I'd call them opinions rather than assumptions but not a big deal.Tequilla said:Lots of assumptions there DNC
Here's my argument in it's simplest form. Feel free to point out the "assumptions".
1. We have plenty of secondary talent but it's inexperienced. We lose hardly anyone after this year.
2. Given 1, coaching is more critical for this specific 12 month period this year than recruiting.
3. Lake is a great fucking coach.
I have some assumptions on this as well, like this year's class plus last year's class with Lake is going to be as good or bettter than what would have been left of last year's class and this year's class with someone else. But that doesn't matter, even if I'm wrong on that we're still better having Lake for his coaching. -
Sounds like you guys really need to have Andrew Percival on the pod
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To replace Pepsi?Edwin_Bambino said:Sounds like you guys really need to have Andrew Percival on the pod
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Took me three days to get to the last half hour... lol absolutely spectacular drunk poding from Teq trying to sound smart arguing about Texas.
1. from week 13 on no Texas teams were ranked in the top 25 after A&M spectacularly flamed out. Combine that with Bob Stoops leaving and Texas/North Texas is as open as it's been in 20 years.
2. Who gives a fuck how big highschools are in Texas? classic Texas fucktard logic equating size to quality (or volume of voice to quality of argument)
3. After getting cut down a bit by DDY, I agree on going after Tier 2 recruits in Texas to fill in the gaps as Texans are prideful vengeful fucks and they come with large chips on their shoulders.
4. Bolton and Curne are perfect examples of how we should approach Texas, assuming we can keep them.
5. Enjoy Peterman holding the Texas commitment announcements off until after you've recorded this pood to make it instantly outdated.
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I would say more as a reliever to come in during the second half of the pood to explain stats when you and Dennis get too tipsy.Tequilla said:
To replace Pepsi?Edwin_Bambino said:Sounds like you guys really need to have Andrew Percival on the pod
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So we are going into a state where if you ask kids what they know about the state here's what they say: Starbucks started there, Russell Wilson plays for the Seahawks, Ted Bundy went to UW (just kidding) and Amazon/Jeff Bezos are here.LoneStarDawg said:Took me three days to get to the last half hour... lol absolutely spectacular drunk poding from Teq trying to sound smart arguing about Texas.
1. from week 13 on no Texas teams were ranked in the top 25 after A&M spectacularly flamed out. Combine that with Bob Stoops leaving and Texas/North Texas is as open as it's been in 20 years.
2. Who gives a fuck how big highschools are in Texas? classic Texas fucktard logic equating size to quality (or volume of voice to quality of argument)
3. After getting cut down a bit by DDY, I agree on going after Tier 2 recruits in Texas to fill in the gaps as Texans are prideful vengeful fucks and they come with large chips on their shoulders.
4. Bolton and Curne are perfect examples of how we should approach Texas, assuming we can keep them.
5. Enjoy Peterman holding the Texas commitment announcements off until after you've recorded this pood to make it instantly outdated.
Then if you gave them a blank map of Alaska, British Columbia and Washington State, and said which state is ours, 50% of them would pick one of other two.
How can this recruiting philosophy not work out?
Smart ass commentary aside, is it too early in the process to be bagging DDY Tier 2 kids? Does this mean we've already moved on from the top 10 type kids for this years class that we missed on last year?
You guys said it best on the POD. These are the kids you can compete for a NC with, and not need every play/break to go your way in order to get the win. -
Dennis and I talking stats when tipsy is goldEdwin_Bambino said:
I would say more as a reliever to come in during the second half of the pood to explain stats when you and Dennis get too tipsy.Tequilla said:
To replace Pepsi?Edwin_Bambino said:Sounds like you guys really need to have Andrew Percival on the pod
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1) Bingo - the entire State is largely open right nowLoneStarDawg said:Took me three days to get to the last half hour... lol absolutely spectacular drunk poding from Teq trying to sound smart arguing about Texas.
1. from week 13 on no Texas teams were ranked in the top 25 after A&M spectacularly flamed out. Combine that with Bob Stoops leaving and Texas/North Texas is as open as it's been in 20 years.
2. Who gives a fuck how big highschools are in Texas? classic Texas fucktard logic equating size to quality (or volume of voice to quality of argument)
3. After getting cut down a bit by DDY, I agree on going after Tier 2 recruits in Texas to fill in the gaps as Texans are prideful vengeful fucks and they come with large chips on their shoulders.
4. Bolton and Curne are perfect examples of how we should approach Texas, assuming we can keep them.
5. Enjoy Peterman holding the Texas commitment announcements off until after you've recorded this pood to make it instantly outdated.
2) the point with size is just pointing out how large the talent pool is - particularly compared to Washington
3) tier 2 Texas recruits are our initial in in Texas leading to getting an elite guy down the line
4) I expect that we will keep both Bolton and Curne
5) you are just lucky we pod at all
