We also have military bases in South Korea, Portugal, the UK, Singapore, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, Jordan, Norway, Honduras, and other countries we've never been at war with. We don't occupy them.
"Occupation" means that the occupying power is exercising sovereignty over the occupied state.
Right, but they asked us to he there and we follow all the laws of the host Nation. When we would return back to Germany on Sunday's we would land in a neighboring country and wait for six hours so we wouldn't break the sound law on Sunday's there.
When you occupy you do what you do. When you're there diplomatically you adhere to host nation.
We also have military bases in South Korea, Portugal, the UK, Singapore, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, Jordan, Norway, Honduras, and other countries we've never been at war with. We don't occupy them.
"Occupation" means that the occupying power is exercising sovereignty over the occupied state.
Dammit...I try to prevent Race from being shredded in a thread ONE TIME and this is what I get.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
We? lost a silo in Arkansas. Not sure if that is what the book is about.
I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.
The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.
We also have military bases in South Korea, Portugal, the UK, Singapore, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, Jordan, Norway, Honduras, and other countries we've never been at war with. We don't occupy them.
"Occupation" means that the occupying power is exercising sovereignty over the occupied state.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
We? lost a silo in Arkansas. Not sure if that is what the book is about.
I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.
The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.
The Arkansas accident is at the center of the book, but there are many more, like the bomb that fell out of a B52 over South Carolina.
Fun fact on the Arkansas silo: When the missile finally exploded, the warhead was thrown several hundred yards out of the silo.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
We? lost a silo in Arkansas. Not sure if that is what the book is about.
I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.
The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.
The Arkansas accident is at the center of the book, but there are many more, like the bomb that fell out of a B52 over South Carolina.
Fun fact on the Arkansas silo: When the missile finally exploded, the warhead was thrown several hundred yards out of the silo.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
We? lost a silo in Arkansas. Not sure if that is what the book is about.
I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.
The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands749. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.
Does it count as a training exercise if ze Germans attack in the middle of it?
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
We? lost a silo in Arkansas. Not sure if that is what the book is about.
I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.
The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands749. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.
Does it count as a training exercise if ze Germans attack in the middle of it?
Jesus Christ people, PALs have been an effective part of negative control of nukes since forever. A missile malfunction or bomber crash isn't a fucking close call.
The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo
That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias
Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
We? lost a silo in Arkansas. Not sure if that is what the book is about.
I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.
The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands749. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.
Does it count as a training exercise if ze Germans attack in the middle of it?
Are you disagreeing with my point?
Sort of. War is a blunt instrument. So if your poont is that once we declare war, we take off the proverbial gloves, I can see where you're coming from - even if I don't 100% agree.
The big world wars of the 20th century were wars of survival - and they were brutal as fuck, and there wasn't really much in the way of "rules of engagement."
That sickened so many people that they revised the Geneva Conventions in 1949. US and NATO ROE are based on our adherence to those revisions.
We're not fighting wars of national survival right now. We're fighting expeditionary, for lack of a better term, imperial wars. So the rules are a little different as are the desired end-states.
Jesus Christ people, PALs have been an effective part of negative control of nukes since forever. A missile malfunction or bomber crash isn't a fucking close call.
Define 'forever'. I don't have the book in front of me, but as I recall from it, PALs weren't widespread and active to surprisingly late in the game. We? got very lucky on multiple occasions.
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"Occupation" means that the occupying power is exercising sovereignty over the occupied state.
When you occupy you do what you do. When you're there diplomatically you adhere to host nation.
I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.
The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.
Fun fact on the Arkansas silo: When the missile finally exploded, the warhead was thrown several hundred yards out of the silo.
The big world wars of the 20th century were wars of survival - and they were brutal as fuck, and there wasn't really much in the way of "rules of engagement."
That sickened so many people that they revised the Geneva Conventions in 1949. US and NATO ROE are based on our adherence to those revisions.
We're not fighting wars of national survival right now. We're fighting expeditionary, for lack of a better term, imperial wars. So the rules are a little different as are the desired end-states.