Sweden got more socialist, economy now booming
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Oh My! Where do I start? Their whopping 3.1 GDP growth is what this country used to do in their sleep. And this thing isn't even 2 years old yet.
They also don't have that little burden of say making sure the world doesn't blow itself up. And believe me, when I say it costs a hare over what the subsidized daycare is runnin in Sweden.
Dude finally got to budget and they offered a quote that would make Donald Trump blush.
It was something to the effect that when you compare Swedens budget to the rest of the EU, there is a "relative surplus"
Fuck I'd love to live in Utopia too. And there's little doubt that Sweden can somewhat sustain what they're doing.
But they have little burden outside of their borders. We already tried this shit under Obama. It just wasn't budgeted or funded. And our GDP didn't even reach the mythical 3% -
HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.
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This. I was there last year. They are currently upgrading their Air Force and building the planes themselves.AZDuck said:HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.
Stockholm is only 430 miles from St. Petersburg.
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BOOM! Roasted.AZDuck said:HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.
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People forget that Sweden had a top 5 economy in the world before they went socialist.
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It's also a cold shithole.
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AZDuck said:
HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.
Stockholm is only 430 miles from St. Petersburg.
So they are pretty well fucked no matter how little or much they spend on defense.
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Not the case.PurpleJ said:People forget that Sweden had a top 5 economy in the world before they went socialist.
Around the year 1900, more than half of the population of Sweden worked in the agricultural sector. Sweden was poor but it was a nation adapting rapidly to the age of industrialization. Although Sweden was a slow starter compared to other European countries, once the industrialization process set off the economy developed at a rapid pace.
http://www.ekonomifakta.se/en/Swedish-economic-history/swedish-economic-history2/Agricultural-toward-Industrial/The party's first chapter in its statutes says "the intension of the Swedish Social Democratic Labour Party is the struggle towards the Democratic Socialism," that is, a society with a democratic economy based on the socialist principle, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Since the party held power of office for a majority of terms after its founding in 1889 through 2003, the ideology and policies of the Social Democratic Party (SAP) have had strong influence on Swedish politics.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Social_Democratic_Party#Political_impact_and_history
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Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.
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The Swedes needs some Tudor-like bloodshed to get Princess Sofia on the throne.
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I have no idea what this means but I like it.PurpleThrobber said:The Swedes needs some Tudor-like bloodshed to get Princess Sofia on the throne.
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It's a good thing it's not that close to Leningrad.AZDuck said:HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.
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Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemicPurpleJ said:Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.
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Stupid beyond belief.
If their economy is so great, why again have they been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is their household debt skyrocketing?
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Taxes were kept below 10% of GDP until the 30s and they didn't really start to increase until the 50s, but still.AZDuck said:
Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemicPurpleJ said:Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.
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If the U.S. economy is so great, why again have we? been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is our? household debt skyrocketing?HoustonHusky said:Stupid beyond belief.
If their economy is so great, why again have they been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is their household debt skyrocketing?
Sounds like that will end well... -
They like soccer.
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We aren't pimping negative interest rates, and we have been stupid for keeping rates low...IMHO they should never have gone below 2% and they should have been ramping them up years ago.AZDuck said:
If the U.S. economy is so great, why again have we? been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is our? household debt skyrocketing?HoustonHusky said:Stupid beyond belief.
If their economy is so great, why again have they been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is their household debt skyrocketing?
Sounds like that will end well...
And no, it won't end well. You think its a coincidence all TV is for the last 2 years is house-flipping shows? That won't end well... -
Because of socialism.AZDuck said:
If the U.S. economy is so great, why again have we? been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is our? household debt skyrocketing?HoustonHusky said:Stupid beyond belief.
If their economy is so great, why again have they been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is their household debt skyrocketing?
Sounds like that will end well...
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Not the case. Most Swedish taxes are paid to localities. Maximum national income tax rate is 25%PurpleJ said:
Taxes were kept below 10% of GDP until the 30s and they didn't really start to increase until the 50s, but still.AZDuck said:
Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemicPurpleJ said:Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.
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You seem awfully ashamed of using Breitbart as your source.RaceBannon said: -
A hot gal licking a fudgecicle. Yeah...oh yeah...so much subliminal messaging there.Pitchfork51 said:
I have no idea what this means but I like it.PurpleThrobber said:The Swedes needs some Tudor-like bloodshed to get Princess Sofia on the throne.
Craves it.
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It will for those who wait.HoustonHusky said:
We aren't pimping negative interest rates, and we have been stupid for keeping rates low...IMHO they should never have gone below 2% and they should have been ramping them up years ago.AZDuck said:
If the U.S. economy is so great, why again have we? been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is our? household debt skyrocketing?HoustonHusky said:Stupid beyond belief.
If their economy is so great, why again have they been pimping negative interest rates for years, and why again is their household debt skyrocketing?
Sounds like that will end well...
And no, it won't end well. You think its a coincidence all TV is for the last 2 years is house-flipping shows? That won't end well...
Those who jump in and think they are Chip and Joanna are gonna be fucked.
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For all you "socialism is great" fans just renounce your citizenship and I'll chip in some money for your ticket to whatever socialist paradise you wish to now live in. May I suggest Venezuela?
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Lets revisit this conversation next year, like when the bills start really rolling in.AZDuck said:
Not the case. Most Swedish taxes are paid to localities. Maximum national income tax rate is 25%PurpleJ said:
Taxes were kept below 10% of GDP until the 30s and they didn't really start to increase until the 50s, but still.AZDuck said:
Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemicPurpleJ said:Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.
And the whole spirit of the fucktard reporters rant is that we should be doing this. When the reality is that we already did this and have nothing to show for it other than another $8 Trillion in debt. -
Great! I'm sure this military superpower would fare just fine when attacked by anyone other than Norway.allpurpleallgold said:
BOOM! Roasted.AZDuck said:HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.
Stockholm is only 430 miles from St. Petersburg.
But do continue to reinforce the strawman, And again, let's visit this again when their bills come due. -
I'm going to need to see black people before I make a determination on Sweden.
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They sure as fuck ain't beating us in basketball anytime soon.Doogles said:I'm going to need to see black people before I make a determination on Sweden.
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So we ignore the 70+ -year track record of success and bank on Sweden failing in the next year or two?salemcoog said:
Lets revisit this conversation next year, like when the bills start really rolling in.AZDuck said:
Not the case. Most Swedish taxes are paid to localities. Maximum national income tax rate is 25%PurpleJ said:
Taxes were kept below 10% of GDP until the 30s and they didn't really start to increase until the 50s, but still.AZDuck said:
Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemicPurpleJ said:Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.
And the whole spirit of the fucktard reporters rant is that we should be doing this. When the reality is that we already did this and have nothing to show for it other than another $8 Trillion in debt.
OK!
And America has never done anything close to what Sweden has in terms of health care, welfare, etc.
No room for differences of opinion? Sounds like Venezuela or Russia are more your speed, fren.Sledog said:For all you "socialism is great" fans just renounce your citizenship and I'll chip in some money for your ticket to whatever socialist paradise you wish to now live in. May I suggest Venezuela?
This is America we have no room for this bullshit or you!
There's nothing in the Constitution about social and economic policy, except "to promote the general welfare," which sounds kinda socialist-y.
The point was, in reference to your earlier poast, that Sweden doesn't have to deal with foreign obligations like the US does. Yet they spend a similar amount of GDP on national defense. The Swedes also spend 1% of GDP on foreign aid versus .19% here in the USA. Now, .19% of USA GDP is a helluva lot more in actual terms than 1% of Sweden, but proportionally, the Swedes do spend a large chunk of their national product on foreign obligations.salemcoog said:
Great! I'm sure this military superpower would fare just fine when attacked by anyone other than Norway.allpurpleallgold said:
BOOM! Roasted.AZDuck said:HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.
Stockholm is only 430 miles from St. Petersburg.
But do continue to reinforce the strawman, And again, let's visit this again when their bills come due.
