I'm excited for the return to the 80s
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THIS.dhdawg said:
If Obama wasn't giving an inch he would have gone after the public option at least. Instead he caved and we got the shitty nixon/dole/heritage foundation reform with the Democrat's name attached to it.RaceBannon said:
Obama was not going to give an inch and the GOP knew they didn't have the votes. Obamacare is all democrat all the time. If the GOP scraps it they deserve the creditdhdawg said:
Nope. They were to busy repealing obamacare 50 times without ever offering an alternative. Now when trump keeps the good parts, he'll take credit for it.2001400ex said:
We?doogie said:Your straw man existed long before Obamacare and GOP wanted to address it but we're stonewalled.
You lost. You get NO say. Sit quietly.
When the fuck did Republicans put forth a plan to fix issues like this? You do know that they control Congress so it would be very easy to get a fix like that to the president's desk. And would bipartisan.
You are a dumbfuck if you believe what you wrote.
You have to be a special kind of stupid liar to keep saying that its the GOP fault that a bill that none of them voted for is their fault. There was no debate. The democrats were told to vote yes and like the good little lap dogs they are, they did.
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Race is right that the democrats own it 100%. Obama to this day loves what he got
If it was any good you wouldn't be trying to share the credit
He lied to get it passed and his butt boys are still lying to this day -
doogie said:
Imagine how much better we would live if we could just eliminate Liberals.dhdawg said:
Not to mention a rise in military spending2001400ex said:
And wth tax cuts and infrastructure spending, Trump is going to fix the deficit? Just watch, your news sources will go from "the sky is falling because of debt/deficit and labor participation" to "look how great this economy is" in about a month.TurdBuffer said:
Pure sophistry, Hondo. Dems and you love to replace "debt" with "deficit" to mask the overall debt situation. It's like a bum arguing that he's "making more money begging this month than last." BFD. Being a little less underwater doesn't change the fact a person is still drowning.2001400ex said:
Because you believe fake news. The deficit is 1/3 now of what it was in Bush's last budget. How can it cost us trillions?Sledog said:
If we spent more previously why is this costing TRILLIONS?dhdawg said:
We spend more for worse outcomes. I don't think that is superiorPurple_Pills said:
No such thing as "free healthcare." Just because everyone else has an inferior system doesn't mean we should either. Scraping that fascist unaffordable care act will save billions in the short term, trillions in the long run.dhdawg said:
the cowards who don't think that is enough are ironically calling other people snowflakes.
and since everyone loves to ask the question about free healthcare, which every other modern nation has, how do you propose we pay for a nuclear arms race? -
It wasn't a great piece of legislation. But there were a number of highly popular provisions that the Republicans were not proposing. Some of then that trump said he will keep obama should have done a better job of bragging about themRaceBannon said:Race is right that the democrats own it 100%. Obama to this day loves what he got
If it was any good you wouldn't be trying to share the credit
He lied to get it passed and his butt boys are still lying to this day
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Fuck. This whole thread has degenerated into a policy discussion when it should be about George Michael, Demi Moore's hairy bush and John Hughes movies.
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Yeah Obama would sign something modifying his namesake POS law. Never.2001400ex said:
We?doogie said:Your straw man existed long before Obamacare and GOP wanted to address it but we're stonewalled.
You lost. You get NO say. Sit quietly.
When the fuck did Republicans put forth a plan to fix issues like this? You do know that they control Congress so it would be very easy to get a fix like that to the president's desk. And would bipartisan.
You are a dumbfuck if you believe what you wrote. -
Except he has multiple times. Fuck you are dumb.Sledog said:
Yeah Obama would sign something modifying his namesake POS law. Never.2001400ex said:
We?doogie said:Your straw man existed long before Obamacare and GOP wanted to address it but we're stonewalled.
You lost. You get NO say. Sit quietly.
When the fuck did Republicans put forth a plan to fix issues like this? You do know that they control Congress so it would be very easy to get a fix like that to the president's desk. And would bipartisan.
You are a dumbfuck if you believe what you wrote. -
They made changes not approved by Congress IIRC and not really legal. But that's your boy!2001400ex said:
Except he has multiple times. Fuck you are dumb.Sledog said:
Yeah Obama would sign something modifying his namesake POS law. Never.2001400ex said:
We?doogie said:Your straw man existed long before Obamacare and GOP wanted to address it but we're stonewalled.
You lost. You get NO say. Sit quietly.
When the fuck did Republicans put forth a plan to fix issues like this? You do know that they control Congress so it would be very easy to get a fix like that to the president's desk. And would bipartisan.
You are a dumbfuck if you believe what you wrote. -
Are you really that stupid or you just act dumb?Sledog said:
They made changes not approved by Congress IIRC and not really legal. But that's your boy!2001400ex said:
Except he has multiple times. Fuck you are dumb.Sledog said:
Yeah Obama would sign something modifying his namesake POS law. Never.2001400ex said:
We?doogie said:Your straw man existed long before Obamacare and GOP wanted to address it but we're stonewalled.
You lost. You get NO say. Sit quietly.
When the fuck did Republicans put forth a plan to fix issues like this? You do know that they control Congress so it would be very easy to get a fix like that to the president's desk. And would bipartisan.
You are a dumbfuck if you believe what you wrote.
By our count at the Galen Institute, more than 70 significant changes have been made to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, at least 43 that the Obama administration has made unilaterally, 24 that Congress has passed and the president has signed, and three by the Supreme Court.
http://galen.org/2016/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/
There's thousands of other sources if you don't like that one. Just the first one I pulled with Google. -
Unilatteraly means he did it himself without congressional approval. Talk about stupid.
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Lol read your post. 24 times Congress passed a bill and the president signed it. You are wrong. As always.Sledog said:Unilatteraly means he did it himself without congressional approval. Talk about stupid.
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at least 43 that the Obama administration has made unilaterally
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Well the first argument was there was no changes. Then it was stated he'd never sign a change he didn't make. Then he was proven wrong.doogie said:at least 43 that the Obama administration has made unilaterally
I'm not sure anyone has said Obama didn't make changes except dumbass. -
Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends? -
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends? -
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right.
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Snowflakes don't understand Trump. Shocking.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends? -
Code of Federal RegulationsSledog said:
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right.
Take a civics class, you simpleton.
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I'd read the Constitution again.Sledog said:
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right. -
Doesn't seem to help you
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2001400ex said:
I'd read the Constitution again.Sledog said:
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right. -
I need to find a constitution on a cartoon, then maybe your pee sized brain can comprehend.Sledog said:2001400ex said:
I'd read the Constitution again.Sledog said:
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right. -
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Our ideas of America are vastly different 'eh comrade?2001400ex said:
I need to find a constitution on a cartoon, then maybe your pee sized brain can comprehend.Sledog said:2001400ex said:
I'd read the Constitution again.Sledog said:
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right. -
I can't wait to see what you say when Trump makes unilateral decisions. I'm willing to bet you won't think it's illegal.Sledog said:
Our ideas of America are vastly different 'eh comrade?2001400ex said:
I need to find a constitution on a cartoon, then maybe your pee sized brain can comprehend.Sledog said:2001400ex said:
I'd read the Constitution again.Sledog said:
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right. -
I'm seriously concerned that the Union will not survive a Trump administration. He has the attention span of a mayfly and regurgitates whatever the last person he talked to tells him. Hell, he was complimentary of Obama and his ideas after they met. But then Obummer wisecracked that he wouldv'e beaten Trump, and it's Twitter feud on. Markets worldwide are going to be following the Donald's twatter just to see what his latest impulse is. Let's dig more coal, even though it isn't economically viable anymore let alone the impact of all that carbon getting burned. Oh well, fuck it. America will have its own Venice when Miami goes underwater in a few years.
Meanwhile Putin has co-opted a NATO ally (Turkey) and he's going to help Assad win the Syrian civil war. Iraq will continue to be a festering wound, expect another 2-3 brigades to "advise and assist" the Iraqi "army."
More hilarity will ensue when Putin starts to fuck with more of the "near abroad," like Estonia, Latvia and Estonia. Trump already said NATO is pay-for-play, so I guess we save Estonia since they've paid their dues and fuck the rest who haven't.
The good news is that Obama has added 6 new HBCTs to the Army and will be rotating through Eastern Europe. Will the Trump keep the pressure on or will he pay more attention to who's been buttering his bread.
Obama's been a fuck-up in places too - he fucked up Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and probably Afghanistan. But nobody can fix fucking Afghanistan. Just like nobody can fix Iraq. They're fake countries full of people who want to kill each other and us as well.
Likewise, we've lost the Phillipines. Anyone who knows our strategy in the Pacific should know that the basis of security in the Pacific is the "first line" of islands off China: Indonesia, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Okinawa, and Japan. We've been working on Vietnam and Cambodia with a fair bit of success.
So will the Chinese go apeshit if Taiwan moves away from "one China" Fucking Trump doesn't even know what that means or how fucking serious the Chinese are about it. No more place to park the Seventh Fleet at Subic Bay, so we're stuck with Yokohama and Sasebo.
Meanwhile if Trump is serious about the "wall" he will crash both our and Mexico's economies. The policy of the United States should be to do everything in its power to help Mexico become a middle-class country like Canada. But instead we've armed their fucking drug gangs and the "war on drugs" has resulted in the collapse of what looked like a nascent democracy south of the border 20 years ago. The last year I was in Iraq more people died in Mexico than Iraq. Not the case lately (yay ISIS).
Venezuela is run by a retard - will be a failed state in 5 years or less. All countries reliant on carbon will suffer because oil will continue to be cheap as a middle-aged hooker on Aurora on a Thursday night.
If Brexit happens, the U.K. might as well become the 51st state. I guess Wales could be 52. Scotland will go to the EU. Either Frankfurt or Paris will supplant the City of London as a financial center. Which is bad because the English only care about the bottom line, but the Krauts and Frogs will look for mercantilist advantage for their countries and industries.
It's mostly the Cognac and benzos talking, but we're so fucked I can't even fathom the degree of fuckedness. And then we have retards like @Sledog doing a fucking victory lap for a guy who lost the popular vote by 3M votes. That's not a mandate you fuckheads.
We're gonna live the Chinese curse for a while. Interesting times. The US is going to become Brazil with nukes and real football instead of fucking divegrass. At least right now we're the only country that can really project power across an ocean. China's getting there. Russia's aircraft carrier is a piece of shit that was designed after the British light carriers that fought in the Falklands. Doesn't really matter though, because the future is submarines and drones and nobody in the Navy or the Air Force wants to admit it because they want to fight Midway and dogfight over Germany in a cool fighter jet. Those days are fucking over. Kids playing video games are going to blow up the planet.
We had a good run.
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Disagree.AZDuck said:I'm seriously concerned that the Union will not survive a Trump administration. He has the attention span of a mayfly and regurgitates whatever the last person he talked to tells him. Hell, he was complimentary of Obama and his ideas after they met. But then Obummer wisecracked that he wouldv'e beaten Trump, and it's Twitter feud on. Markets worldwide are going to be following the Donald's twatter just to see what his latest impulse is. Let's dig more coal, even though it isn't economically viable anymore let alone the impact of all that carbon getting burned. Oh well, fuck it. America will have its own Venice when Miami goes underwater in a few years.
Meanwhile Putin has co-opted a NATO ally (Turkey) and he's going to help Assad win the Syrian civil war. Iraq will continue to be a festering wound, expect another 2-3 brigades to "advise and assist" the Iraqi "army."
More hilarity will ensue when Putin starts to fuck with more of the "near abroad," like Estonia, Latvia and Estonia. Trump already said NATO is pay-for-play, so I guess we save Estonia since they've paid their dues and fuck the rest who haven't.
The good news is that Obama has added 6 new HBCTs to the Army and will be rotating through Eastern Europe. Will the Trump keep the pressure on or will he pay more attention to who's been buttering his bread.
Obama's been a fuck-up in places too - he fucked up Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and probably Afghanistan. But nobody can fix fucking Afghanistan. Just like nobody can fix Iraq. They're fake countries full of people who want to kill each other and us as well.
Likewise, we've lost the Phillipines. Anyone who knows our strategy in the Pacific should know that the basis of security in the Pacific is the "first line" of islands off China: Indonesia, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Okinawa, and Japan. We've been working on Vietnam and Cambodia with a fair bit of success.
So will the Chinese go apeshit if Taiwan moves away from "one China" Fucking Trump doesn't even know what that means or how fucking serious the Chinese are about it. No more place to park the Seventh Fleet at Subic Bay, so we're stuck with Yokohama and Sasebo.
Meanwhile if Trump is serious about the "wall" he will crash both our and Mexico's economies. The policy of the United States should be to do everything in its power to help Mexico become a middle-class country like Canada. But instead we've armed their fucking drug gangs and the "war on drugs" has resulted in the collapse of what looked like a nascent democracy south of the border 20 years ago. The last year I was in Iraq more people died in Mexico than Iraq. Not the case lately (yay ISIS).
Venezuela is run by a retard - will be a failed state in 5 years or less. All countries reliant on carbon will suffer because oil will continue to be cheap as a middle-aged hooker on Aurora on a Thursday night.
If Brexit happens, the U.K. might as well become the 51st state. I guess Wales could be 52. Scotland will go to the EU. Either Frankfurt or Paris will supplant the City of London as a financial center. Which is bad because the English only care about the bottom line, but the Krauts and Frogs will look for mercantilist advantage for their countries and industries.
It's mostly the Cognac and benzos talking, but we're so fucked I can't even fathom the degree of fuckedness. And then we have retards like @Sledog doing a fucking victory lap for a guy who lost the popular vote by 3M votes. That's not a mandate you fuckheads.
We're gonna live the Chinese curse for a while. Interesting times. The US is going to become Brazil with nukes and real football instead of fucking divegrass. At least right now we're the only country that can really project power across an ocean. China's getting there. Russia's aircraft carrier is a piece of shit that was designed after the British light carriers that fought in the Falklands. Doesn't really matter though, because the future is submarines and drones and nobody in the Navy or the Air Force wants to admit it because they want to fight Midway and dogfight over Germany in a cool fighter jet. Those days are fucking over. Kids playing video games are going to blow up the planet.
We had a good run.
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We just need to LEAVE and worry about our own problems. I don't think Mohamed himself could fix the middle easy and all we end up doing is spreading more anti us sentiment.
Trump's comments on taking out families of terrorists is frightening, but I hope he actually follows through on his plan to stop regime change wars.
Unfortunately based on who he's picking to lead his cabinet it's looking to be quite the opposite. You have to hope he doesn't blunder us into a war with Iran. -
Job Security for me - right up until people start launching the nukes. Then we all die.dhdawg said:We just need to LEAVE and worry about our own problems. I don't think Mohamed himself could fix the middle easy and all we end up doing is spreading more anti us sentiment.
Trump's comments on taking out families of terrorists is frightening, but I hope he actually follows through on his plan to stop regime change wars.
Unfortunately based on who he's picking to lead his cabinet it's looking to be quite the opposite. You have to hope he doesn't blunder us into a war with Iran. -
I'll be against any such actions and just as vocal. The ends do not justify the means in my world like they do in yours, comrade.2001400ex said:
I can't wait to see what you say when Trump makes unilateral decisions. I'm willing to bet you won't think it's illegal.Sledog said:
Our ideas of America are vastly different 'eh comrade?2001400ex said:
I need to find a constitution on a cartoon, then maybe your pee sized brain can comprehend.Sledog said:2001400ex said:
I'd read the Constitution again.Sledog said:
Please show me where the president gets tip rewrite the laws passed by. Congress? Maybe that's in his rewrite of the constitution he hasn't told us about yet.2001400ex said:
You are projecting bullshit as always. I didn't make claims or move goal posts. Read the thread, cause you look awfully stupid right now. Everyone says so. Except sledog and his minion Race.doogie said:Always moving the goal posts.
Why don't you just stop digging, jump back into the freezer and wait until January 20th when our eight year national nightmare ends?
I said changes were made that were illegal. I was right.
