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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,003
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    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    Single payer isn't evil. I guess it is if you work for Blue Cross or something.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,623
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    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    Single payer isn't evil. I guess it is if you work for Blue Cross or something.
    Sure it's evil there is always a shortage of "payers" why can't you socialist buffoons ever see that it doesn't work!

    Socialists ALWAYS run out of other peoples money. (Maggie the Iron Bitch"

    Standing offer for all of you "progressives" (code for commie) I'll help you pack as you leave for whatever "socialist paradise" you choose.

    GTFOOMC!
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:


    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    Single payer isn't evil. I guess it is if you work for Blue Cross or something.
    Sure it's evil there is always a shortage of "payers" why can't you socialist buffoons ever see that it doesn't work!

    Socialists ALWAYS run out of other peoples money. (Maggie the Iron Bitch"

    Standing offer for all of you "progressives" (code for commie) I'll help you pack as you leave for whatever "socialist paradise" you choose.

    GTFOOMC!
    https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,637
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    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:


    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    Great analysis as always. Do you really think adding 20 million people to private insurance companies is a path to single payer health care? With the huge insurance lobby that bought off Democrats?
    Nov 8th can't get here soon enough.

    #byfelicia
    Agreed. No more purple J.
    Hi.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,623
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:


    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    Single payer isn't evil. I guess it is if you work for Blue Cross or something.
    Sure it's evil there is always a shortage of "payers" why can't you socialist buffoons ever see that it doesn't work!

    Socialists ALWAYS run out of other peoples money. (Maggie the Iron Bitch"

    Standing offer for all of you "progressives" (code for commie) I'll help you pack as you leave for whatever "socialist paradise" you choose.

    GTFOOMC!
    https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0
    You would be some queer Justin Timberlake stalker. Registering yearly with the police are we?
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,555
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    I like J in this one

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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:


    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    Single payer isn't evil. I guess it is if you work for Blue Cross or something.
    Sure it's evil there is always a shortage of "payers" why can't you socialist buffoons ever see that it doesn't work!

    Socialists ALWAYS run out of other peoples money. (Maggie the Iron Bitch"

    Standing offer for all of you "progressives" (code for commie) I'll help you pack as you leave for whatever "socialist paradise" you choose.

    GTFOOMC!
    https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0
    You would be some queer Justin Timberlake stalker. Registering yearly with the police are we?
    Flewoveryourhead.gif
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    BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
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    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,623
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    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
    My firm pays most of my premiums. Dumbass.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,623
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    Then quit trying to make the rest of us pay comrade!
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
    My firm pays most of my premiums. Dumbass.
    Dem talkng point.

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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,637
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,623
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
    My firm pays most of my premiums. Dumbass.
    Yeah sure.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:



    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
    My firm pays most of my premiums. Dumbass.
    Yeah sure.
    Yes. Government totally controls our lives more now.

    You do realize that under single payer, I would pay more than I currently do.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,623
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:



    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
    My firm pays most of my premiums. Dumbass.
    Yeah sure.
    Yes. Government totally controls our lives more now.

    You do realize that under single payer, I would pay more than I currently do.
    Everyone will pay more. A lot more.

    Just how much of my income do you think you have a right to Hondo?
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:



    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
    My firm pays most of my premiums. Dumbass.
    Yeah sure.
    Yes. Government totally controls our lives more now.

    You do realize that under single payer, I would pay more than I currently do.
    Everyone will pay more. A lot more.

    Just how much of my income do you think you have a right to Hondo?
    Shut the fuck up, everyone wouldn't pay a lot more.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,623
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:



    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    2001400ex said:

    I only read the headline.

    However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.

    But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.

    Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
    There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.

    The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
    The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
    But they have new cars, smartphones, all the luxuries. Priorities bitches.
    Hondo's priority is to have everyone pay for his health care premiums.
    My firm pays most of my premiums. Dumbass.
    Yeah sure.
    Yes. Government totally controls our lives more now.

    You do realize that under single payer, I would pay more than I currently do.
    Everyone will pay more. A lot more.

    Just how much of my income do you think you have a right to Hondo?
    Shut the fuck up, everyone wouldn't pay a lot more.
    Everyone's already paying a lot more adding more freeloaders only increases cost. Move to fucking England! They have great socialized dentistry too!
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