Obamacare premiums up 116%
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*Gurgle*dflea said:
His quality of life would go way up if you drowned yourself.Sledog said:
It's also hard to measure his quality of life index when it's obvious he has no life.dflea said:
That means boobs is perfectly safe because you're a huge pussy.Sledog said:
I'm heading your death panel up right now!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm on bored with death panels.PurpleThrobber said:
The points you make are valid - the pre-existing condition thing is bullshit. Obamacare fixed that for the most part. Portability of health care is important.2001400ex said:
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.Swaye said:
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.2001400ex said:
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.Swaye said:
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.2001400ex said:I only read the headline.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
The elephant in the room is the last-year-of-life costs (actually the last month). The cost to keep granny on a ventilator for another 30 days is ridonkulous. There needs to be an objective formula for continuing to pour billions of dollars into a black hole.
Most cultures let their elderly die with respect in their own homes. For whatever reason, Americans think its so much better for granny to die in a sterile hospital environment, wearing a gown and no underwear.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbell/2013/01/10/why-5-of-patients-create-50-of-health-care-costs/#4cecb6624781 -
Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late. -
if the liberals wanted in to fail, why is it the republicans who don't give a shit about fixing it in congress?Southerndawg said:
Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late. -
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
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He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.dhdawg said:
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
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Obamacare premium...cost 116% more....still better deal than Dawgman premium.
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You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.Sledog said:
He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.dhdawg said:
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others. -
Great analysis as always. Do you really think adding 20 million people to private insurance companies is a path to single payer health care? With the huge insurance lobby that bought off Democrats?Southerndawg said:
Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late. -
Giving?2001400ex said:
You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.Sledog said:
He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.dhdawg said:
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
More like forcing insurance companies to take 20 million unprofitable new customers. Considering you have a business degree, I'm surprised you can't see how this was a bad idea from the beginning. -
Republicans want a free market heath care system. They won't get it buy fixing the existing one. I think the real solution is to have both.dhdawg said:
if the liberals wanted in to fail, why is it the republicans who don't give a shit about fixing it in congress?Southerndawg said:
Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.
Have a government system that provides basic health insurance needs that's paid for by tax payer dollars. Then have a private free market system that people can pay for that provides better coverage if they want it. Also, the premium's paid in the private system should be fully tax deductible since these people will be paying taxes on a federal system they will be opting out of.
