However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
You got EVERYTHING you wanted. A positive vote on a bill unwritten. You had the chance to tweak healthcare getting more people insured and instead you destroyed it.
Your open border policy and free healthcare for immigrants is directly reflected in these obscene mandatory tax increases.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
Time to step up and get rid of this communist bullshit and let insurance companies cross state lines and the free market will fix this shit!
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
The biggest problem is families making between 75k-100k year. There is little subsidy available, yet their premiums are skyrocketing. 75k-100k households don't have the disposable income to offset these hikes.
Kind of. Yes I get that piece and they are in the middle area that can get squeezed. But they also mostly have employer provided health care which aren't seeing these premium increases. Our firm has 3 plans, the expensive one is going up 6%, the middle one is unchanged, the HSA plan is going up 2%.
That's the issue, people see 116% and project that to all of America, even tho only 7% buys health care in the exchange and this particular increase probably only effects 1,000 people.
So it's an issue that needs to be fixed, but let's get real on the true effect this has.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
The points you make are valid - the pre-existing condition thing is bullshit. Obamacare fixed that for the most part. Portability of health care is important.
The elephant in the room is the last-year-of-life costs (actually the last month). The cost to keep granny on a ventilator for another 30 days is ridonkulous. There needs to be an objective formula for continuing to pour billions of dollars into a black hole.
Most cultures let their elderly die with respect in their own homes. For whatever reason, Americans think its so much better for granny to die in a sterile hospital environment, wearing a gown and no underwear.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to polish a turd in hopes it somehow changes from being a turd.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
The points you make are valid - the pre-existing condition thing is bullshit. Obamacare fixed that for the most part. Portability of health care is important.
The elephant in the room is the last-year-of-life costs (actually the last month). The cost to keep granny on a ventilator for another 30 days is ridonkulous. There needs to be an objective formula for continuing to pour billions of dollars into a black hole.
Most cultures let their elderly die with respect in their own homes. For whatever reason, Americans think its so much better for granny to die in a sterile hospital environment, wearing a gown and no underwear.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
The points you make are valid - the pre-existing condition thing is bullshit. Obamacare fixed that for the most part. Portability of health care is important.
The elephant in the room is the last-year-of-life costs (actually the last month). The cost to keep granny on a ventilator for another 30 days is ridonkulous. There needs to be an objective formula for continuing to pour billions of dollars into a black hole.
Most cultures let their elderly die with respect in their own homes. For whatever reason, Americans think its so much better for granny to die in a sterile hospital environment, wearing a gown and no underwear.
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However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/19/one-third-of-us-wont-have-choice-between-obamacare-plans-in-2017.html
Your open border policy and free healthcare for immigrants is directly reflected in these obscene mandatory tax increases.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
That's the issue, people see 116% and project that to all of America, even tho only 7% buys health care in the exchange and this particular increase probably only effects 1,000 people.
So it's an issue that needs to be fixed, but let's get real on the true effect this has.
The elephant in the room is the last-year-of-life costs (actually the last month). The cost to keep granny on a ventilator for another 30 days is ridonkulous. There needs to be an objective formula for continuing to pour billions of dollars into a black hole.
Most cultures let their elderly die with respect in their own homes. For whatever reason, Americans think its so much better for granny to die in a sterile hospital environment, wearing a gown and no underwear.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbell/2013/01/10/why-5-of-patients-create-50-of-health-care-costs/#4cecb6624781
Get a better job with paid health insurance.