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Obamacare premiums up 116%

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  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Seems like a reasonable system that I haven't seen pushed by either party. Certainly better than the shitshow in place now
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896
    2001400ex said:

    To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.
    Nah If Hillary wins she will ramrod a single payer plan through that will exascerbate the problem even further even before her inaugaration.


    Sound familiar?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Giving?

    More like forcing insurance companies to take 20 million unprofitable new customers. Considering you have a business degree, I'm surprised you can't see how this was a bad idea from the beginning.
    Did one insurance company complain about the bill as it was being passed? No.

    I don't think Obamacare was the best idea. There are some good things about it that I have stated. But there's things that should have been done different. Either way, the insurance companies bought off on it and promoted it.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896
    edited October 2016

    The points you make are valid - the pre-existing condition thing is bullshit. Obamacare fixed that for the most part. Portability of health care is important.

    The elephant in the room is the last-year-of-life costs (actually the last month). The cost to keep granny on a ventilator for another 30 days is ridonkulous. There needs to be an objective formula for continuing to pour billions of dollars into a black hole.

    Most cultures let their elderly die with respect in their own homes. For whatever reason, Americans think its so much better for granny to die in a sterile hospital environment, wearing a gown and no underwear.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbell/2013/01/10/why-5-of-patients-create-50-of-health-care-costs/#4cecb6624781
    The other cultures you speak of are 3rd world for the most part that sit around and whittle and yarn things. They don't typically don't have real jobs so they can take care of granny until she croaks and is thrown into the burn pile.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,997
    2001400ex said:

    I don't think that's how the pre existing conditions clause works.
    The word "think" relating to you is the problem here...what do you believe a "pre existing" condition is?
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,672 Founders Club
    Is there an option to just letting sick people die in a gutter like we did for thousands of years? The only argument I ever get as to why my (or anyone's) tax dollars should be paying for someone else to have health care is because "it's the right thing to do." Is there some concrete reason I should be funding someone else health care? I know the ship has sailed on the "personal responsibility" argument, but fuck it, it still annoys me. I guess I am a huge dick, but IDGAF if a bunch of losers couldn't get health care. FFS, even Orkin gives health care. If you aren't qualified to kill bugs you should probably just die anyway.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Hondo. You people fucked this up by design. You don't think everybody sees this now?
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,553
    2001400ex said:

    Did one insurance company complain about the bill as it was being passed? No.

    I don't think Obamacare was the best idea. There are some good things about it that I have stated. But there's things that should have been done different. Either way, the insurance companies bought off on it and promoted it.
    They didn't complain because they were promised subsidization from the government on losses sustained by opening up the accessibility. Then the government backed out of the promise which is why the health insurance carriers are now exiting the program.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,516 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.
    Me stupid? Maybe you missed the supreme court ruling that it is indeed a tax?
    Forcing the productive to pay for the nonproductive isn't capitalism. More mouth breathers living off the rest of us.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Me stupid? Maybe you missed the supreme court ruling that it is indeed a tax?
    Forcing the productive to pay for the nonproductive isn't capitalism. More mouth breathers living off the rest of us.
    Our? founding fathers disagree with you. Read the general welfare clause in the Constitution.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,516 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2016
    2001400ex said:

    Our? founding fathers disagree with you. Read the general welfare clause in the Constitution.
    Yeah they believed it so much they didn't have personal income tax. Cuba's only 90 miles need help packing?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,516 Standard Supporter
    Hondo your girl has advice for you
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Yeah they believed it so much they didn't have personal income tax. Cuba's only 90 miles need help packing?
    In 1789 Benjamin Franklin writes “Nothing is certain but death and taxes."
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,962 Founders Club
    edited October 2016
    2001400ex said:

    Great analysis as always. Do you really think adding 20 million people to private insurance companies is a path to single payer health care? With the huge insurance lobby that bought off Democrats?
    Nov 8th can't get here soon enough.

    #byfelicia
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    Nov 8th can't get here soon enough.

    #byfelicia
    Agreed. No more purple J.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,962 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Agreed. No more purple J.
    No.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    The word "think" relating to you is the problem here...what do you believe a "pre existing" condition is?
    Can you even read what I wrote?

    http://obamacarefacts.com/pre-existing-conditions/
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Nobody reads what you write anymore. Why should they?
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,997
    2001400ex said:

    Can you even read what I wrote?

    http://obamacarefacts.com/pre-existing-conditions/
    I read what you wrote, and then I laughed when you now posted a link that says exactly the opposite of what you think.

    God you are a fucking moron.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,068 Founders Club
    Obama explained that its the media's fault so nothing to see here
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