Obamacare premiums up 116%
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Seems like a reasonable system that I haven't seen pushed by either party. Certainly better than the shitshow in place now
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Nah If Hillary wins she will ramrod a single payer plan through that will exascerbate the problem even further even before her inaugaration.2001400ex said:
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.Swaye said:
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.2001400ex said:I only read the headline.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
Sound familiar?
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Did one insurance company complain about the bill as it was being passed? No.greenblood said:
Giving?2001400ex said:
You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.Sledog said:
He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.dhdawg said:
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
More like forcing insurance companies to take 20 million unprofitable new customers. Considering you have a business degree, I'm surprised you can't see how this was a bad idea from the beginning.
I don't think Obamacare was the best idea. There are some good things about it that I have stated. But there's things that should have been done different. Either way, the insurance companies bought off on it and promoted it. -
The other cultures you speak of are 3rd world for the most part that sit around and whittle and yarn things. They don't typically don't have real jobs so they can take care of granny until she croaks and is thrown into the burn pile.PurpleThrobber said:
The points you make are valid - the pre-existing condition thing is bullshit. Obamacare fixed that for the most part. Portability of health care is important.2001400ex said:
There are many great things about the bill. No preexisting conditions, regulation so insurance companies can't drop you if you get cancer, exchanges for more transparent and "easier" medical shopping, subsidies so people can afford insurance.Swaye said:
I would prefer just repeal it, but that isn't going to happen so this thing clearly needs some serious fixes. No idea what those should be, but this seems to be a shit sandwich as it stands.2001400ex said:
To me it sounds like a good time for politicians to step up and make some changes to the bill to fix it then.Swaye said:
Someone at work was saying that in many states (not sure how many) so many insurers have pulled out that there are places with only one choice now. Take it or leave it. Again, work convo so no idea if true, but a fact check might be in order.2001400ex said:I only read the headline.
However, in Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a hypothetical 27-year-old buying a benchmark “second-lowest cost silver plan” will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report.
But it seems to me, average plans of employer provided health care are over $1,000 a month. Not to mention, that with the exchange, you can switch to a different provider if you don't like the cost.
The fine if you don't have insurance is the central issue that sucks. And many things need to be tweaked. Legislators need to come to the realization the bill is here and it's better to fix it than repeal it.
The elephant in the room is the last-year-of-life costs (actually the last month). The cost to keep granny on a ventilator for another 30 days is ridonkulous. There needs to be an objective formula for continuing to pour billions of dollars into a black hole.
Most cultures let their elderly die with respect in their own homes. For whatever reason, Americans think its so much better for granny to die in a sterile hospital environment, wearing a gown and no underwear.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbell/2013/01/10/why-5-of-patients-create-50-of-health-care-costs/#4cecb6624781 -
The word "think" relating to you is the problem here...what do you believe a "pre existing" condition is?2001400ex said:
I don't think that's how the pre existing conditions clause works.HanseeHall78 said:The inability of insurance companies to properly underwrite and charge appropriate premiums for those with pre-existing conditions and without current insurance is the fundamental flaw of Obamacare.
For example, if a person with untreated Hepatitis C applies for Obamacare (who by law cannot get rejected) and it is known that the preferred treatment is a six month Harvoni pill regimen costing $90,000, what should be the fair insurance premium for that person? If the mandated premium is less than $90,000 plus an appropriate insurance company profit, who should pay the difference?
I would love to not carry insurance on my house but then be able to buy insurance after it catches on fire without a paying a premium surcharge. -
Is there an option to just letting sick people die in a gutter like we did for thousands of years? The only argument I ever get as to why my (or anyone's) tax dollars should be paying for someone else to have health care is because "it's the right thing to do." Is there some concrete reason I should be funding someone else health care? I know the ship has sailed on the "personal responsibility" argument, but fuck it, it still annoys me. I guess I am a huge dick, but IDGAF if a bunch of losers couldn't get health care. FFS, even Orkin gives health care. If you aren't qualified to kill bugs you should probably just die anyway.
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Hondo. You people fucked this up by design. You don't think everybody sees this now?
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They didn't complain because they were promised subsidization from the government on losses sustained by opening up the accessibility. Then the government backed out of the promise which is why the health insurance carriers are now exiting the program.2001400ex said:
Did one insurance company complain about the bill as it was being passed? No.greenblood said:
Giving?2001400ex said:
You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.Sledog said:
He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.dhdawg said:
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
More like forcing insurance companies to take 20 million unprofitable new customers. Considering you have a business degree, I'm surprised you can't see how this was a bad idea from the beginning.
I don't think Obamacare was the best idea. There are some good things about it that I have stated. But there's things that should have been done different. Either way, the insurance companies bought off on it and promoted it. -
Me stupid? Maybe you missed the supreme court ruling that it is indeed a tax?2001400ex said:
You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.Sledog said:
He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.dhdawg said:
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
Forcing the productive to pay for the nonproductive isn't capitalism. More mouth breathers living off the rest of us.
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Our? founding fathers disagree with you. Read the general welfare clause in the Constitution.Sledog said:
Me stupid? Maybe you missed the supreme court ruling that it is indeed a tax?2001400ex said:
You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.Sledog said:
He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.dhdawg said:
he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.Sledog said:
Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.dhdawg said:He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
But he's a far left Marxist apparently
His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
Expanded the NSA's spying programs
But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots
He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
Forcing the productive to pay for the nonproductive isn't capitalism. More mouth breathers living off the rest of us.
