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If Not For Sanctuary Cities & Obama Immigration Policies Kate Steinle Would Be Alive Today

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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    Fuck you believe anything.

    Pot meet Kettle.

    GFY
    It's not his fault. Honda had a root canal on an upper incisor that went wrong and turned into a lobotomy.

    Seriously though, how can anyone defend this, regardless of how libtarded they are?
    I never defended it. I'm calling death stupid for reading a news source that blames every liberal in America for this issue. When really it's just the fucktardedness of the local liberals (assuming it's liberals, no clue on the local politics there other than its a more liberal city).
    Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    Thanks for proving it. All. Night.
    The sad thing is you are not trolling.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    The plural of anecdote is not data. The singular of anecdote is certainly not data.

    To be frank, I think we need a better immigration policy - but "keep the beaners out" doesn't work and won't be made to work as so many industries rely on cheap illegal immigrant labor.

    US policy toward Mexico should have an emphasis on helping that country achieve first-world status ASAP. The more prosperous Mexico is, the more stable and safer our border will be, and we will have fewer undocumented immigrants.

    Undocumented immigrants already here (with clean records, which is most of them) should be given some pathway to legalization and possible naturalization.

    Something needs to be done about the spiraling drug violence in Mexico and Central America, which has created a no-shit humanitarian crisis.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,418
    AZDuck said:

    The plural of anecdote is not data. The singular of anecdote is certainly not data.

    To be frank, I think we need a better immigration policy - but "keep the beaners out" doesn't work and won't be made to work as so many industries rely on cheap illegal immigrant labor.

    US policy toward Mexico should have an emphasis on helping that country achieve first-world status ASAP. The more prosperous Mexico is, the more stable and safer our border will be, and we will have fewer undocumented immigrants.

    Undocumented immigrants already here (with clean records, which is most of them) should be given some pathway to legalization and possible naturalization.

    Something needs to be done about the spiraling drug violence in Mexico and Central America, which has created a no-shit humanitarian crisis.

    So make the stance that "no worries, if you sneak here and avoid deportation long enough, you'll be citizens." Yeah, that'll show them.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited July 2015
    Devil's in the details. There's that whole "pathway" thing. Which probably involves staying employed, paying taxes, learning English, etc. As much of a commie socialist liberal as I am, I'm not okay with the whole "Aztlan" thing.

    Also, policy needs to approach the problem from all three angles to work. Plenty of Mexicans would probably like to go home if they could have decent prospects there.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    The plural of anecdote is not data. The singular of anecdote is certainly not data.

    To be frank, I think we need a better immigration policy - but "keep the beaners out" doesn't work and won't be made to work as so many industries rely on cheap illegal immigrant labor.

    US policy toward Mexico should have an emphasis on helping that country achieve first-world status ASAP. The more prosperous Mexico is, the more stable and safer our border will be, and we will have fewer undocumented immigrants.

    Undocumented immigrants already here (with clean records, which is most of them) should be given some pathway to legalization and possible naturalization.

    Something needs to be done about the spiraling drug violence in Mexico and Central America, which has created a no-shit humanitarian crisis.

    We already have a federal government that has proven zero ability to balance a budget. How in the hell are we to entrust this same federal government to lift up an additional countries entire economic system, without shit-canning our own?
    We've done it in the past. It's only the past few years that the US government has really jumped off the rails. It's a problem, I agree.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,418
    edited July 2015
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    The plural of anecdote is not data. The singular of anecdote is certainly not data.

    To be frank, I think we need a better immigration policy - but "keep the beaners out" doesn't work and won't be made to work as so many industries rely on cheap illegal immigrant labor.

    US policy toward Mexico should have an emphasis on helping that country achieve first-world status ASAP. The more prosperous Mexico is, the more stable and safer our border will be, and we will have fewer undocumented immigrants.

    Undocumented immigrants already here (with clean records, which is most of them) should be given some pathway to legalization and possible naturalization.

    Something needs to be done about the spiraling drug violence in Mexico and Central America, which has created a no-shit humanitarian crisis.

    We already have a federal government that has proven zero ability to balance a budget. How in the hell are we to entrust this same federal government to lift up an additional countries entire economic system, without shit-canning our own?
    We've done it in the past. It's only the past few years that the US government has really jumped off the rails. It's a problem, I agree.
    The biggest issue is what's next? Keep in mind many immigrants aren't just from Mexico. Mexico is just a gateway to the US. Many of these immigrants are from guatemala, el salvador, nicaragua, honduras, costa rica, belize, colombia, venezuela, ecuador, etc.

    Great, we fix Mexico, then there's 20 some odd additonal countries south more messed up than them. Then they're government can say "Hey, since the US fixed Mexico, let's help send more people up North and the US can then help us out?"

    In short, Mexico isn't even 50% of the problem.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    If, Allah be praised, we were to fix Mexico, how many folks from Central America would press onto California, if they were in a place with some opportunities and the language and culture were not nearly so foreign?

    As long as there are dirtbag countries there will be immigration problems. Witness folks from Africa drowning in the Mediterranean to get to Italy and Greece, which are relative economic basket cases.

    But the best solution to mass immigration to to either (a) let them in, which is how we populated America with Italians, Russians and Germans then fleeing economic decay and oppression or (b) help the source country to not be such a shithole, because most people will put up with quite a bit before picking up and moving to another country, particularly if that move is "illegal."
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,418
    edited July 2015
    AZDuck said:

    If, Allah be praised, we were to fix Mexico, how many folks from Central America would press onto California, if they were in a place with some opportunities and the language and culture were not nearly so foreign?

    As long as there are dirtbag countries there will be immigration problems. Witness folks from Africa drowning in the Mediterranean to get to Italy and Greece, which are relative economic basket cases.

    But the best solution to mass immigration to to either (a) let them in, which is how we populated America with Italians, Russians and Germans then fleeing economic decay and oppression or (b) help the source country to not be such a shithole, because most people will put up with quite a bit before picking up and moving to another country, particularly if that move is "illegal."

    People from Central America will still flood the US southern border even if Mexico is "fixed".

    Reasons:

    1) The US will still be a better option, and people won't want to settle for Mexico
    2) Mexico being newly fixed, would "need more time" (lol) to get established, and during this time of volatility, a wave of immigrants from Central America could throw the economy back into shambles, thus recreating the original problem.

    Your entire argument is based on the best solution to mass immigration. Your flaw is, what says mass immigration at this point in our country's existance is a good thing?

    I understand that this country was founded on immigrants from Europe, however, things have changed in the last 250-300 years. It may no longer be sustainable to run this country under that same premise.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,933 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    Fuck you believe anything.

    Pot meet Kettle.

    GFY
    It's not his fault. Honda had a root canal on an upper incisor that went wrong and turned into a lobotomy.

    Seriously though, how can anyone defend this, regardless of how libtarded they are?
    I never defended it. I'm calling death stupid for reading a news source that blames every liberal in America for this issue. When really it's just the fucktardedness of the local liberals (assuming it's liberals, no clue on the local politics there other than its a more liberal city).
    Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    Thanks for proving it. All. Night.
    The sad thing is you are not trolling.
    Abundance.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,163 Standard Supporter
    Let me boil it down.

    Invade and capture. Should have let Zachary Taylor finish the job when he got his own guys in there at Monterey.
  • BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279

    Immigrants from Europe had to pass through Ellis Island. We knew who they were before they left the island. Then we had a moratorium. Then we had standards to bring in folks who would bring something to the country. The waves at the turn of the century assimilated. We didn't have hyphen Americans.

    The answer to Mexico is to make it the 51st state and pay for it with their oil and natural gas. Mexico could have tons of money if they weren't so corrupt. The people suffer from a shitty government who would steal any aid we sent there.

    At any rate, nothing justifies an open border that leads to the loss of a nice set of breasts. I'm in So Cal and I love Mexicans and Mexican culture. Legal Mexicans don't want illegals any more than most of us do.

    That Ellis Island spiel was pretty gay and probably wrong. Doubt anyone at the time thought of the Irish or Pollocks much differently than Mexicans today.

    Agree on 51st state.
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    We should spend a lot of money on helping Mexico and their fuck up. Then we should blame Bush.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Donald Trump is my new frontrunner.

    1. Most popular candidate in the field according to Gallop

    2. Only business minded candidate in the field who never quits

    3. Mastered the art of fucking Banksters turning them against one another, gets them to slurp down losses faster than Hondo at a Obama propaganda release, then gets them to fund him again... all WITHOUT a personal guarantee.

    4. Establishment on both sides hate him

    5. Establishment on both sides fear him

    6. Believes in American exceptionalism and will defend it rather than bow down and surrender

    7. Will never apologize for being America and American

    8. every other candidate is a fucktard.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,728

    Donald Trump is my new frontrunner.

    1. Most popular candidate in the field according to Gallop

    2. Only business minded candidate in the field who never quits

    3. Mastered the art of fucking Banksters turning them against one another, gets them to slurp down losses faster than Hondo at a Obama propaganda release, then gets them to fund him again... all WITHOUT a personal guarantee.

    4. Establishment on both sides hate him

    5. Establishment on both sides fear him

    6. Believes in American exceptionalism and will defend it rather than bow down and surrender

    7. Will never apologize for being America and American

    8. every other candidate is a fucktard.

    I'm voting for the ticket of Brian Kelly and Brian Kelly
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Donald Trump is my new frontrunner.

    1. Most popular candidate in the field according to Gallop

    2. Only business minded candidate in the field who never quits

    3. Mastered the art of fucking Banksters turning them against one another, gets them to slurp down losses faster than Hondo at a Obama propaganda release, then gets them to fund him again... all WITHOUT a personal guarantee.

    4. Establishment on both sides hate him

    5. Establishment on both sides fear him

    6. Believes in American exceptionalism and will defend it rather than bow down and surrender

    7. Will never apologize for being America and American

    8. every other candidate is a fucktard.

    Well his business track record is reducing the debt of his companies, so there is that. Not sure the government has chapter 11 protection tho.
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