TequillaFS Prediction Time - Mariners
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In other words, the season is over.
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UW will win 10 in 2013, Clippers will beat Thunder, Clippers will beat Warriors in 5, UW will go 12-1 this season (they won't). You make a lot of dumb predictions too, but kudos on the Mariners winning 85-90 games.
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You like to talk about all the times that I'm wrong but you don't talk about all the times I'm rightRoadDawg55 said:UW will win 10 in 2013, Clippers will beat Thunder, Clippers will beat Warriors in 5, UW will go 12-1 this season (they won't). You make a lot of dumb predictions too, but kudos on the Mariners winning 85-90 games.
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You deserve props for this one. I'm just salty about picking the Mariners to win 70.Tequilla said:
You like to talk about all the times that I'm wrong but you don't talk about all the times I'm rightRoadDawg55 said:UW will win 10 in 2013, Clippers will beat Thunder, Clippers will beat Warriors in 5, UW will go 12-1 this season (they won't). You make a lot of dumb predictions too, but kudos on the Mariners winning 85-90 games.
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Long live RoadDawg123!!RoadDawg55 said:
You deserve props for this one. I'm just salty about picking the Mariners to win 70.Tequilla said:
You like to talk about all the times that I'm wrong but you don't talk about all the times I'm rightRoadDawg55 said:UW will win 10 in 2013, Clippers will beat Thunder, Clippers will beat Warriors in 5, UW will go 12-1 this season (they won't). You make a lot of dumb predictions too, but kudos on the Mariners winning 85-90 games.
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Downplaying the pitching staff entering the season. Calling for 70 wins. Calling for a collapse in a month they went 18-10.
Congrats roaddawg. I don't think Arizona123 could've been as wrong as you this season -
1) Baseball is for fags. 2) The Mariners still suck. 3) The rotation doesn't look that great anymore.dhdawg said:Downplaying the pitching staff entering the season. Calling for 70 wins. Calling for a collapse in a month they went 18-10.
Congrats roaddawg. I don't think Arizona123 could've been as wrong as you this season -
They lost the first series ...
I'm smelling a Saturday elimination ...
At least I'll get to celebrate a Husky win before heading to Safeco toverbally abuseheckle every single Mariner hitter that doesn't deserve to be in the Major Leagues. -
1. FO, RD 2. Agree 3. Yes, but they were great for most of the yearRoadDawg55 said:
1) Baseball is for fags. 2) The Mariners still suck. 3) The rotation doesn't look that great anymore.dhdawg said:Downplaying the pitching staff entering the season. Calling for 70 wins. Calling for a collapse in a month they went 18-10.
Congrats roaddawg. I don't think Arizona123 could've been as wrong as you this season -
They'll be done before saturdayTequilla said:They lost the first series ...
I'm smelling a Saturday elimination ...
At least I'll get to celebrate a Husky win before heading to Safeco toverbally abuseheckle every single Mariner hitter that doesn't deserve to be in the Major Leagues.
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Gotta admit, 87-75 or whatever beat my expectations by 10 wins. I don't really follow them closely enough to know if they'll sustain it or fall on their faces again next year
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They should be able to sustain/improve. Their pitching should be excellent again, and the offense can't be worse, and should improve. If they can add a bat or two, they could be pretty good.
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They absolutely have set themselves up for a good season net year. If they make a good move or 2 this offseason, perhaps adding some depth in the OF and the pitching staff. Finding an actual dh. And if Lloyd McClendon figures out Saunders is good and stops benching him next season, they could be pretty good and perhaps push 90 wins.
I just have no faith that those moves will actually be made -
The last few times they were "good", they crashed and burned the following season. I agree that they are setup more for success than they have been in a long time, but the Mariners are gonna Mariner and I would guess < 80 wins next year.dhdawg said:They absolutely have set themselves up for a good season net year. If they make a good move or 2 this offseason, perhaps adding some depth in the OF and the pitching staff. Finding an actual dh. And if Lloyd McClendon figures out Saunders is good and stops benching him next season, they could be pretty good and perhaps push 90 wins.
I just have no faith that those moves will actually be made -
They'll sign a few more arms even though they don't need to, and they will either sign a .220's power only hitter or nothing offensively at all. This will set up for a perfect 78-84 follow up season. Why do I root for the Mariners?dhdawg said:They absolutely have set themselves up for a good season net year. If they make a good move or 2 this offseason, perhaps adding some depth in the OF and the pitching staff. Finding an actual dh. And if Lloyd McClendon figures out Saunders is good and stops benching him next season, they could be pretty good and perhaps push 90 wins.
I just have no faith that those moves will actually be made -
Sounds about right. You forgot to mention the power only hitter will spend a lot of time playing the OF even though his only legitimate position is DH, and will probably spend half the year on the DL.greenblood said:
They'll sign a few more arms even though they don't need to, and they will either sign a .220's power only hitter or nothing offensively at all. This will set up for a perfect 78-84 follow up season. Why do I root for the Mariners?dhdawg said:They absolutely have set themselves up for a good season net year. If they make a good move or 2 this offseason, perhaps adding some depth in the OF and the pitching staff. Finding an actual dh. And if Lloyd McClendon figures out Saunders is good and stops benching him next season, they could be pretty good and perhaps push 90 wins.
I just have no faith that those moves will actually be made
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This feels a little different because of how much youth there was in the roster and some of the steps forward that they took in the second half of the season. Of course, the Mariner management has never shown an ability to actually take an aggressive stance towards trying to win a title - which in the AL, they actually are in a great position to do so going forward if you look around the league (Detroit has a ton of arms, terrible pen, aging roster, terrible minor league system (trust me, I know this one firsthand) and probably no more than this year or next before their run ends; Yankees are a hot mess; Boston seems like they are in a bit of a transition right now as their next generation of players gets to the majors; KC/Cleveland are solid but don't inspire as world beaters; Texas also seems a bit of a hot mess; Oakland SHOULD take a massive step backwards next year as they went all in this year; and the Angels IMO aren't as good as their record showed).
What the Mariners need to prioritize this offseason if I was the GM:
1) Target bolstering the Starting Rotation
For as much as the Mariners had a great pitching staff this year, they also smoked and mirrored it a bit in places and barring attention will expect to see a bit of a regression here next year. Moreover, you have the most valuable assets in a potential trade for a bat in your rotation - so if you move one of them you'll need to backfill. Unlike with the bats, the potential free agents available in SP is relatively deep and allows you to target without feeling like you're going to have to get into a massive bidding war.
Tequilla's Plan of Action: Exercise Iwakuma's $7M club option and plan on him being your #3 starter; Target Jon Lester to be your #2 option and prepare to offer a 5 year contract in the $85M to $100M range. Monitor the health of Elias (who you most likely won't be able to trade as a result) and determine if you need to find a stop gap for the #5 spot in your rotation as the odds are that you'll be trading at least one of Paxton/Walker (which I'm ok with because I'm not sold on having more than 2 guys in my rotation that have still yet to complete a full major league season which I would be if I ran w/ a rotation of Felix + Kuma + Paxton + Walker + Elias). Moreover, you have ZERO organizational depth right now in the way of SPs ready to come up to help via injury, etc. with the only one even remotely close being Hultzen and that's not one I'd count on at all at this point. Look for a bounce back candidate comparable to Chris Young in 2015 - my call would be Justin Masterson. He's shown a tendency to pitch very well in odd numbered years and blows up on even numbered years. Given his performance this year, he's a guy I could see taking a one year contract in the hopes of having a solid year and then going back out on the market.
2) Find 2 bats offensively
With the number of young players on the roster, you have to expect a number of them to continue growing next year. Zunino in particular I expect better than the .199 he hit this year. Taylor/Miller will play it out at SS. I've seen enough at this point from LoMo to see that he's a competitor and someone you want on the team. He also showed that with regular playing time he can hit at a level that you will be more than satisfied with as a #7 hitter. Cano/Seager clearly are fine. I wouldn't be against flipping Jackson for a better leadoff hitter if you can pull it off. But he's not the problem per se. Saunders can't seem to stay healthy enough but I'm more than comfortable with him being your #3/#4 OF along with Ackley. Your most likely 2 positions where you are going to find the upgrade though will be in the OF and at DH - which means you might be able to use one of these 2 as a potential trade bait if needed. At least 1 of your bats needs to be an impact caliber RH hitting bat to balance out your lineup.
Tequilla's Plan of Action:
You probably will have to pay too much for Nelson Cruz and if you couldn't get him to Seattle last year, you aren't getting him this year. While he had some injury issues this year, I'd target Michael Cuddyer given that he can give you versatility in the OF, 1B, and DH. It's a great complement to LoMo. I'd look to see if he'll go for something in the 2 years for $25M range or 3 for $35M if he wants term. The #1 target though should be offering a godfather trade offer for an about to enter his prime Paul Goldschmidt. The DBacks are terrible and he's the one singular chip that they have that can turn into some ready major league talent with some potential impact along the way. Their rotation is crappy. Their pen is crappy. I'd offer them Walker + Ackley/Saunders + DJ Petersen (who you can move if you get Goldschmidt) + a relief arm that can help them (I'd try to push Medina on them).
Execute this plan and you should be looking at getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 92-95 wins next season and in a good spot to compete at a high level in a very mediocre AL for at minimum the next few seasons. -
I stopped reading after you giving priority #1 to bolstering the starting pitcher. Didn't the Mariners already try that a few years back when they signed Cliff Lee? Same stupid shit. The only time this franchise was ever relevant was when we had two strong starters with a strong bullpen with a steroid laden lineup. The first two are fine. Since steroids are now discouraged the Mariners will just have to pay more money.Tequilla said:This feels a little different because of how much youth there was in the roster and some of the steps forward that they took in the second half of the season. Of course, the Mariner management has never shown an ability to actually take an aggressive stance towards trying to win a title - which in the AL, they actually are in a great position to do so going forward if you look around the league (Detroit has a ton of arms, terrible pen, aging roster, terrible minor league system (trust me, I know this one firsthand) and probably no more than this year or next before their run ends; Yankees are a hot mess; Boston seems like they are in a bit of a transition right now as their next generation of players gets to the majors; KC/Cleveland are solid but don't inspire as world beaters; Texas also seems a bit of a hot mess; Oakland SHOULD take a massive step backwards next year as they went all in this year; and the Angels IMO aren't as good as their record showed).
What the Mariners need to prioritize this offseason if I was the GM:
1) Target bolstering the Starting Rotation
For as much as the Mariners had a great pitching staff this year, they also smoked and mirrored it a bit in places and barring attention will expect to see a bit of a regression here next year. Moreover, you have the most valuable assets in a potential trade for a bat in your rotation - so if you move one of them you'll need to backfill. Unlike with the bats, the potential free agents available in SP is relatively deep and allows you to target without feeling like you're going to have to get into a massive bidding war.
Tequilla's Plan of Action: Exercise Iwakuma's $7M club option and plan on him being your #3 starter; Target Jon Lester to be your #2 option and prepare to offer a 5 year contract in the $85M to $100M range. Monitor the health of Elias (who you most likely won't be able to trade as a result) and determine if you need to find a stop gap for the #5 spot in your rotation as the odds are that you'll be trading at least one of Paxton/Walker (which I'm ok with because I'm not sold on having more than 2 guys in my rotation that have still yet to complete a full major league season which I would be if I ran w/ a rotation of Felix + Kuma + Paxton + Walker + Elias). Moreover, you have ZERO organizational depth right now in the way of SPs ready to come up to help via injury, etc. with the only one even remotely close being Hultzen and that's not one I'd count on at all at this point. Look for a bounce back candidate comparable to Chris Young in 2015 - my call would be Justin Masterson. He's shown a tendency to pitch very well in odd numbered years and blows up on even numbered years. Given his performance this year, he's a guy I could see taking a one year contract in the hopes of having a solid year and then going back out on the market.
2) Find 2 bats offensively
With the number of young players on the roster, you have to expect a number of them to continue growing next year. Zunino in particular I expect better than the .199 he hit this year. Taylor/Miller will play it out at SS. I've seen enough at this point from LoMo to see that he's a competitor and someone you want on the team. He also showed that with regular playing time he can hit at a level that you will be more than satisfied with as a #7 hitter. Cano/Seager clearly are fine. I wouldn't be against flipping Jackson for a better leadoff hitter if you can pull it off. But he's not the problem per se. Saunders can't seem to stay healthy enough but I'm more than comfortable with him being your #3/#4 OF along with Ackley. Your most likely 2 positions where you are going to find the upgrade though will be in the OF and at DH - which means you might be able to use one of these 2 as a potential trade bait if needed. At least 1 of your bats needs to be an impact caliber RH hitting bat to balance out your lineup.
Tequilla's Plan of Action:
You probably will have to pay too much for Nelson Cruz and if you couldn't get him to Seattle last year, you aren't getting him this year. While he had some injury issues this year, I'd target Michael Cuddyer given that he can give you versatility in the OF, 1B, and DH. It's a great complement to LoMo. I'd look to see if he'll go for something in the 2 years for $25M range or 3 for $35M if he wants term. The #1 target though should be offering a godfather trade offer for an about to enter his prime Paul Goldschmidt. The DBacks are terrible and he's the one singular chip that they have that can turn into some ready major league talent with some potential impact along the way. Their rotation is crappy. Their pen is crappy. I'd offer them Walker + Ackley/Saunders + DJ Petersen (who you can move if you get Goldschmidt) + a relief arm that can help them (I'd try to push Medina on them).
Execute this plan and you should be looking at getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 92-95 wins next season and in a good spot to compete at a high level in a very mediocre AL for at minimum the next few seasons. -
Agree completely. If Lester wants to give us a discount to come home, sure I'd take him. Otherwise starting pitching is not priority #1, 2 or 3.greenblood said:
I stopped reading after you giving priority #1 to bolstering the starting pitcher. Didn't the Mariners already try that a few years back when they signed Cliff Lee? Same stupid shit. The only time this franchise was ever relevant was when we had two strong starters with a strong bullpen with a steroid laden lineup. The first two are fine. Since steroids are now discouraged the Mariners will just have to pay more money.Tequilla said:This feels a little different because of how much youth there was in the roster and some of the steps forward that they took in the second half of the season. Of course, the Mariner management has never shown an ability to actually take an aggressive stance towards trying to win a title - which in the AL, they actually are in a great position to do so going forward if you look around the league (Detroit has a ton of arms, terrible pen, aging roster, terrible minor league system (trust me, I know this one firsthand) and probably no more than this year or next before their run ends; Yankees are a hot mess; Boston seems like they are in a bit of a transition right now as their next generation of players gets to the majors; KC/Cleveland are solid but don't inspire as world beaters; Texas also seems a bit of a hot mess; Oakland SHOULD take a massive step backwards next year as they went all in this year; and the Angels IMO aren't as good as their record showed).
What the Mariners need to prioritize this offseason if I was the GM:
1) Target bolstering the Starting Rotation
For as much as the Mariners had a great pitching staff this year, they also smoked and mirrored it a bit in places and barring attention will expect to see a bit of a regression here next year. Moreover, you have the most valuable assets in a potential trade for a bat in your rotation - so if you move one of them you'll need to backfill. Unlike with the bats, the potential free agents available in SP is relatively deep and allows you to target without feeling like you're going to have to get into a massive bidding war.
Tequilla's Plan of Action: Exercise Iwakuma's $7M club option and plan on him being your #3 starter; Target Jon Lester to be your #2 option and prepare to offer a 5 year contract in the $85M to $100M range. Monitor the health of Elias (who you most likely won't be able to trade as a result) and determine if you need to find a stop gap for the #5 spot in your rotation as the odds are that you'll be trading at least one of Paxton/Walker (which I'm ok with because I'm not sold on having more than 2 guys in my rotation that have still yet to complete a full major league season which I would be if I ran w/ a rotation of Felix + Kuma + Paxton + Walker + Elias). Moreover, you have ZERO organizational depth right now in the way of SPs ready to come up to help via injury, etc. with the only one even remotely close being Hultzen and that's not one I'd count on at all at this point. Look for a bounce back candidate comparable to Chris Young in 2015 - my call would be Justin Masterson. He's shown a tendency to pitch very well in odd numbered years and blows up on even numbered years. Given his performance this year, he's a guy I could see taking a one year contract in the hopes of having a solid year and then going back out on the market.
2) Find 2 bats offensively
With the number of young players on the roster, you have to expect a number of them to continue growing next year. Zunino in particular I expect better than the .199 he hit this year. Taylor/Miller will play it out at SS. I've seen enough at this point from LoMo to see that he's a competitor and someone you want on the team. He also showed that with regular playing time he can hit at a level that you will be more than satisfied with as a #7 hitter. Cano/Seager clearly are fine. I wouldn't be against flipping Jackson for a better leadoff hitter if you can pull it off. But he's not the problem per se. Saunders can't seem to stay healthy enough but I'm more than comfortable with him being your #3/#4 OF along with Ackley. Your most likely 2 positions where you are going to find the upgrade though will be in the OF and at DH - which means you might be able to use one of these 2 as a potential trade bait if needed. At least 1 of your bats needs to be an impact caliber RH hitting bat to balance out your lineup.
Tequilla's Plan of Action:
You probably will have to pay too much for Nelson Cruz and if you couldn't get him to Seattle last year, you aren't getting him this year. While he had some injury issues this year, I'd target Michael Cuddyer given that he can give you versatility in the OF, 1B, and DH. It's a great complement to LoMo. I'd look to see if he'll go for something in the 2 years for $25M range or 3 for $35M if he wants term. The #1 target though should be offering a godfather trade offer for an about to enter his prime Paul Goldschmidt. The DBacks are terrible and he's the one singular chip that they have that can turn into some ready major league talent with some potential impact along the way. Their rotation is crappy. Their pen is crappy. I'd offer them Walker + Ackley/Saunders + DJ Petersen (who you can move if you get Goldschmidt) + a relief arm that can help them (I'd try to push Medina on them).
Execute this plan and you should be looking at getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 92-95 wins next season and in a good spot to compete at a high level in a very mediocre AL for at minimum the next few seasons. -
Finding a high obp guy with speed needs to be the #1 priority imo. I heard on the radio that mariner leadoff hitter combined for a .287 obp. I liked the Jackson trade at the time but he clearly isn't the answer and neither is moog fan favorites James Jones or endy Chávez.
Aoki seems like a great fit on paper. Probably my #2 target to victor Martinez when you take into account cost.
In terms of SP I am not interested in going big, save the money for the offense and sign McCarthy or liriano for depth purposes.
Also need a DH, if they want to go cheap Billy butler will give you league average offense which is still a step up from what they had this year. Martinez and Cuddyer both seem like good fits though.
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Where do you pay ANY money on this roster besides Cano and Felix?
You have a few arbitration eligible players, but this year's roster was $20M UNDER the major league average and that is with 2 of the top 10-15 players in the game on that roster.
The other thing that many of you are missing is that this is a franchise that rolls in the $$$ given their purchase of ROOT Sports. They've cut out the middleman and have a tremendous cash windfall available to them. There's absolutely no reason that they can't be in the $115-$135M range of payroll IF their goal is to win a championship.
If you want to win a championship with this roster, you find 2 bats and 1 front 3 of the rotation arm.
If you want to bean count and get yourself into the playoffs and hope everything breaks right, you go try to find next year's Chris Young, hope you find a better version of Corey Hart, and leave yourself minimal margin for error.
For example, if the Mariners threw an extra $5M out there to try to sign Nelson Cruz and get him to sign with them instead of Baltimore, are we talking about next season today?
You have a roster set up to be able to win at a high, high level without too much additional help. But you know you have competition with teams in your league and division that will leave no stone unturned when it comes to trying to win and compete for championships. If you're going to build a roster that puts you in a position to do so with another 1-3 moves, then you absolutely need to do so if you're interested in winning. If you're interested in making money first and foremost, you go the cheap route.
The Mariners have an opportunity to throw away the label of caring more about $$$ than winning by what they do the next few months. -
You are asking a lot from this franchiseTequilla said:Where do you pay ANY money on this roster besides Cano and Felix?
You have a few arbitration eligible players, but this year's roster was $20M UNDER the major league average and that is with 2 of the top 10-15 players in the game on that roster.
The other thing that many of you are missing is that this is a franchise that rolls in the $$$ given their purchase of ROOT Sports. They've cut out the middleman and have a tremendous cash windfall available to them. There's absolutely no reason that they can't be in the $115-$135M range of payroll IF their goal is to win a championship.
If you want to win a championship with this roster, you find 2 bats and 1 front 3 of the rotation arm.
If you want to bean count and get yourself into the playoffs and hope everything breaks right, you go try to find next year's Chris Young, hope you find a better version of Corey Hart, and leave yourself minimal margin for error.
For example, if the Mariners threw an extra $5M out there to try to sign Nelson Cruz and get him to sign with them instead of Baltimore, are we talking about next season today?
You have a roster set up to be able to win at a high, high level without too much additional help. But you know you have competition with teams in your league and division that will leave no stone unturned when it comes to trying to win and compete for championships. If you're going to build a roster that puts you in a position to do so with another 1-3 moves, then you absolutely need to do so if you're interested in winning. If you're interested in making money first and foremost, you go the cheap route.
The Mariners have an opportunity to throw away the label of caring more about $$$ than winning by what they do the next few months. -
Regarding the front of the rotation starter to team with Felix ... the reason you go after that arm is because of the following reasons:
1) An elite SP that pitches over 200 innings will ultimately face somewhere in the neighborhood of 800-900 batters over the course of the season (200 innings x 3 outs = 600 + approximately 1.2 runners per hitting reaching base via walk or hit = 240; 600 + 240 = 840). An All-Star caliber middle of the order bat (i.e. Robinson Cano) had 665 plate appearances this year. The relative worth of the SP is significantly higher than that of a hitter.
2) When your home park is Safeco Field, you play to pitching and defense first and hitting second. Felix continuously shows you the importance of what elite pitching will do for you. You get the same with Kuma. You aren't resigning Chris Young. You have a lack of organizational depth right now in the high minors. You most likely will need to use one of your 3 young pitchers in a trade to find a bat. The supply of high quality SP on the market is actually fairly strong - which increases your ability to grab one. Without bolstering one of your biggest strengths, you run the risk of having to plug your rotation with next year's Chris Young and once again hoping that you strike gold. You are better off spending money to ensure that you eliminate said risk. IF you run into any kind of injury situation, or more importantly, a flame out of a off the scrap heap #5 starter, a starter who by the way will make 30+ starts for you, you could very easily be staring at a 10-20 record in those starts. If you figure going into the year that you need 90 wins to make the postseason, that means that you need to go 80-52 the rest of the way (that's .606 baseball). In contrast, if you fill out your rotation such that you have a strong 5 starter who is able to get you 20-10 in their starts, then you need to be 70-62 the rest of the way to ensure that you get to 90 wins. Getting a top 2 or 3 of the rotation starter isn't just about helping you in that spot of your rotation, but it's lengthening and increasing the quality of that rotation from top to bottom.
3) When you get to the playoffs, your rotation becomes even more important as run prevention gets magnified. I'd be shocked if the Angels got out of the AL and into the WS given their current state of their rotation. Great pitching almost always beats great hitting - and particularly so in October. Bats don't do so well when it is 40 degrees in Detroit.
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@greenblood
You are right, I might be asking for a lot from this franchise given their track record.
But it's also why they've earned that track record over the years is because when faced with the opportunity to be a championship caliber franchise, they've taken the cheap way out of doing so.
Make the moves that I spelled out and the Mariners are probably the favorites to win the AL West, a leading favorite in the AL (probably around 5 to 1), and probably somewhere around a 12-15 to 1 favorite to win the American League (which would be a great price to jump on given that the Mariners will not be bet up by the average public/population).
They've put themselves in a position to chase that dream ... are they prepared to chase it now? -
TL, DR summary:Tequilla said:Where do you pay ANY money on this roster besides Cano and Felix?
You have a few arbitration eligible players, but this year's roster was $20M UNDER the major league average and that is with 2 of the top 10-15 players in the game on that roster.
The other thing that many of you are missing is that this is a franchise that rolls in the $$$ given their purchase of ROOT Sports. They've cut out the middleman and have a tremendous cash windfall available to them. There's absolutely no reason that they can't be in the $115-$135M range of payroll IF their goal is to win a championship.
If you want to win a championship with this roster, you find 2 bats and 1 front 3 of the rotation arm.
If you want to bean count and get yourself into the playoffs and hope everything breaks right, you go try to find next year's Chris Young, hope you find a better version of Corey Hart, and leave yourself minimal margin for error.
For example, if the Mariners threw an extra $5M out there to try to sign Nelson Cruz and get him to sign with them instead of Baltimore, are we talking about next season today?
You have a roster set up to be able to win at a high, high level without too much additional help. But you know you have competition with teams in your league and division that will leave no stone unturned when it comes to trying to win and compete for championships. If you're going to build a roster that puts you in a position to do so with another 1-3 moves, then you absolutely need to do so if you're interested in winning. If you're interested in making money first and foremost, you go the cheap route.
The Mariners have an opportunity to throw away the label of caring more about $$$ than winning by what they do the next few months.
Marinerization -
My name is Sven and I'm the master of figuring out how many ways to write hardy har har in any given day.
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Marinerization: See also_ Battered Wife SyndromeTierbsHsotBoobs said:
TL, DR summary:Tequilla said:Where do you pay ANY money on this roster besides Cano and Felix?
You have a few arbitration eligible players, but this year's roster was $20M UNDER the major league average and that is with 2 of the top 10-15 players in the game on that roster.
The other thing that many of you are missing is that this is a franchise that rolls in the $$$ given their purchase of ROOT Sports. They've cut out the middleman and have a tremendous cash windfall available to them. There's absolutely no reason that they can't be in the $115-$135M range of payroll IF their goal is to win a championship.
If you want to win a championship with this roster, you find 2 bats and 1 front 3 of the rotation arm.
If you want to bean count and get yourself into the playoffs and hope everything breaks right, you go try to find next year's Chris Young, hope you find a better version of Corey Hart, and leave yourself minimal margin for error.
For example, if the Mariners threw an extra $5M out there to try to sign Nelson Cruz and get him to sign with them instead of Baltimore, are we talking about next season today?
You have a roster set up to be able to win at a high, high level without too much additional help. But you know you have competition with teams in your league and division that will leave no stone unturned when it comes to trying to win and compete for championships. If you're going to build a roster that puts you in a position to do so with another 1-3 moves, then you absolutely need to do so if you're interested in winning. If you're interested in making money first and foremost, you go the cheap route.
The Mariners have an opportunity to throw away the label of caring more about $$$ than winning by what they do the next few months.
Marinerization
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Not the case. I summarized your whole windbag bullshit post in one word.Tequilla said:My name is Sven and I'm the master of figuring out how many ways to write hardy har har in any given day.
They're the cheap ass fucking Mariners until they prove otherwise.
Lather, rinse, repeat. -
Leave it to the Mariners to fall apart down the stretch only to recover just in time to be a game short. I hate this organization.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Not the case. I summarized your whole windbag bullshit post in one word.Tequilla said:My name is Sven and I'm the master of figuring out how many ways to write hardy har har in any given day.
They're the cheap ass fucking Mariners until they prove otherwise.
Lather, rinse, repeat. -
Respectfully disagree. This team isn't going to spend loads of money. So don't blow it all on great pitching. I agree they needs a SP, but you can spend 2/12 on Brandon McCarthy, or 3/25 on Ervin Santana and still have money left over for the offense.
3/21 for Aoki, 2/12 on McCarthy and 4/70 on victor Martinez
