I don't think the point LaLane was making isn't that you can eat like shit with no consequences. Instead, it's that if you had to place more importance on being OCD about exercise or being OCD about diet/nutrition, the former is of higher importance. And that being extremely fit, gives you more of a margin for error with regards to diet/nutrition vs a sedentary person.
Allow me to beat my chest for moment. I'd wager that I probably have the largest peer group here of 45 to 55 year old guysm who were elite at cardio vascular sports at some point in their life. @whlinder too. And due to their competitive nature almost all of these humans stayed fit consistently for decades. There's zero obesity. Zero T2 diabetes. Zero signs of hear disease creeping in, etc. I mean go to tailgate at Husky Stadium of 40 to 60 year old row peter puffer alumni and then go the one with you average 50 years old JAGs. The difference is apparent.
Exercise is the fountain of youth for these people, not keto, not pure carnivore, not vegan, not cutting out seed oils, etc, etc.
I am with Atomic (not Yella) Piss here. At least when it comes to being older and when metabolism has slowed BIGLY. I ran 100 miles in January and didn't drop an ounce.
When I was younger I could routinely drop 80 pounds via vegan diet and my doctor's metrics indicated I was at the top end of being healthy. Congrats on your magical eyesight.
I'm just saying I've observed a high number of UW alumni who were consistent about cardiovascular fitness and strength training over decades who were able to maintain consistent weight and other healthy metrics. Exercise was the common denominator, rather than the magic cure diet, de jour.
And good on you for running a 100 miles. My knee caps would fall off if tried that.
@ Yella (FUCK VANILLA and thier 300000000000 characters)
I would guess that the exercise is king crowd has a fairly healthy pattern of food consumption. (I believe) Optimal health comes with maximizing both. My whole take is that you can't ignore one but if you do the one to ignore is the physical fitness part. Your peter puffers likely learned at a younger age how to eat and they continue to at least avoid gluttony even if it isn't intentional. To me, they are not (and neither is Jack), an example of doing only physical workouts.
I am reverting to my vegan type regimen (not diet but permanent this time, hardy har har) in March as I am getting back into good habits one (per month) at a time. IKTMFI.
I think this is valid point @EwaDawg in that my control group, the participants aren't eating like shit. So, yes, diet and nutrition are important. But equally as important (or more so IMHO) is staying active prevented these individuals from becoming metabolically broken in the first place. You can't fake it cardio raspatory fitness and strength. It's hard, and process that takes years. Ask @whlinder about muscle and it's role with glucose.
I'm extremely out of shape and and overweight. I work a desk job and I've been in online school for 4 years finishing a bachelor degree. I basically am at a computer screen for about 10-11 hours a day. However, I just graduated college, so I have more time and brain power to dedicate to my health.
Goals this year: 10,000 pushups. Or 27.4 a day
Walk with weighted backpack for 250 miles.
Progress: in January, I could do only 10 girl pushups in a set. And needed 5 minutes between sets.
Feb 4: can do 5 full pushups in a set. After 2 minutes rest can complete 25 girl pushups.
By the end of the year I'd like to be doing 40 full pushups a day
So here are some fun facts about elite cycling wattage output.
My PR for 30 mins on a Peleton is 571 KJ / 318 average watts. Keep in mind I'm an old geezer and I get a 3% discount give or take for elevation (3761 feet).
Lance when he was winning his first Tour could average 500 watts over 30 mins and he was like 40 pounds lighter than me. The current Tour champ can hold 320 watts for like 3 or 4 hours.
I've been following the ongoing dialogue about V02 max here. It seems to me that rucking is likely a good exercise for people, especially out of shape folks like me, to raise the FLOOR of cardio fitness and V02 max. It's not likely to have significant impact on the ceiling of your cardio fitness, although, depending on where you start, it should help.
I walked 1.89 miles with my pack loaded with a 20 pound plate and my heart rate was noticeably higher and the fatigue in my upper back and legs was higher than if I'd been walking without a pack.
I think walking is the best place to start for someone getting off the couch and starting from scratch.
Zone 2 should feel like you can still carry on a conversation and not be totally out of breath, but someone could tell you're definitely exercising when speaking with you on the phone for example. At least, 150 mins of this a week would be great.
And keep in mind, even if the pounds aren't coming off quickly, there's still a huge benefit in getting your VO2 max into the top 25% for age group.
Strong agree, walking is GOOD for you. Very clear blood sugar benefits to walking.
Which, since this is a progress check, the one thing I am failing on this year is my overall steps. I don't record fancy stuff, but the default health tracking on the Iphone had me at 7500 per day in 2023 and dropped to 6500 in 2024. Part of that is variability with recording steps while golfing, part was running less but was more than offset by plenty of rowing. But I still wanted to get it back to 7500 this year.
Well January was ass weather and I'm at 4500 per day so far this year. Rowing machine winning instead.
Yeah, thanks for this. Not gonna lie, checking in on the MAHA board has actually taught me a few things* and been inspiring me to get moving again. Cheers to a healthier 2025!
*Also talking with my physician, and getting some blood work done. I'm not solely making health decisions based on a college football internet message board.
HOWEVER, if you are going to make health decisions based on the advice of lay people on a college football message board, make sure it is this one and not the one where the most prominent member is literally nicknamed Fatters, or the other one where the founder was well known for her double chin (and nice ass).
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I don't think the point LaLane was making isn't that you can eat like shit with no consequences. Instead, it's that if you had to place more importance on being OCD about exercise or being OCD about diet/nutrition, the former is of higher importance. And that being extremely fit, gives you more of a margin for error with regards to diet/nutrition vs a sedentary person.
Allow me to beat my chest for moment. I'd wager that I probably have the largest peer group here of 45 to 55 year old guysm who were elite at cardio vascular sports at some point in their life. @whlinder too. And due to their competitive nature almost all of these humans stayed fit consistently for decades. There's zero obesity. Zero T2 diabetes. Zero signs of hear disease creeping in, etc. I mean go to tailgate at Husky Stadium of 40 to 60 year old row peter puffer alumni and then go the one with you average 50 years old JAGs. The difference is apparent.
Exercise is the fountain of youth for these people, not keto, not pure carnivore, not vegan, not cutting out seed oils, etc, etc.
I am with Atomic (not Yella) Piss here. At least when it comes to being older and when metabolism has slowed BIGLY. I ran 100 miles in January and didn't drop an ounce.
When I was younger I could routinely drop 80 pounds via vegan diet and my doctor's metrics indicated I was at the top end of being healthy. Congrats on your magical eyesight.
I'm blind as a fucking bat.
I'm just saying I've observed a high number of UW alumni who were consistent about cardiovascular fitness and strength training over decades who were able to maintain consistent weight and other healthy metrics. Exercise was the common denominator, rather than the magic cure diet, de jour.
And good on you for running a 100 miles. My knee caps would fall off if tried that.
@ Yella (FUCK VANILLA and thier 300000000000 characters)
I would guess that the exercise is king crowd has a fairly healthy pattern of food consumption. (I believe) Optimal health comes with maximizing both. My whole take is that you can't ignore one but if you do the one to ignore is the physical fitness part. Your peter puffers likely learned at a younger age how to eat and they continue to at least avoid gluttony even if it isn't intentional. To me, they are not (and neither is Jack), an example of doing only physical workouts.
I am reverting to my vegan type regimen (not diet but permanent this time, hardy har har) in March as I am getting back into good habits one (per month) at a time. IKTMFI.
I think this is valid point @EwaDawg in that my control group, the participants aren't eating like shit. So, yes, diet and nutrition are important. But equally as important (or more so IMHO) is staying active prevented these individuals from becoming metabolically broken in the first place. You can't fake it cardio raspatory fitness and strength. It's hard, and process that takes years. Ask @whlinder about muscle and it's role with glucose.
I'm extremely out of shape and and overweight. I work a desk job and I've been in online school for 4 years finishing a bachelor degree. I basically am at a computer screen for about 10-11 hours a day. However, I just graduated college, so I have more time and brain power to dedicate to my health.
Goals this year: 10,000 pushups. Or 27.4 a day
Walk with weighted backpack for 250 miles.
Progress: in January, I could do only 10 girl pushups in a set. And needed 5 minutes between sets.
Feb 4: can do 5 full pushups in a set. After 2 minutes rest can complete 25 girl pushups.
By the end of the year I'd like to be doing 40 full pushups a day
You can do it
I was at 100 push ups a day well into my 60s
I'm intrigued by the ruck sacking bros.
Should get one of these things for walking the dog.
Exercise and you dont want to eat like shit. Eat like shit and you don't want to exercise. They play off of each other.
So here are some fun facts about elite cycling wattage output.
My PR for 30 mins on a Peleton is 571 KJ / 318 average watts. Keep in mind I'm an old geezer and I get a 3% discount give or take for elevation (3761 feet).
Lance when he was winning his first Tour could average 500 watts over 30 mins and he was like 40 pounds lighter than me. The current Tour champ can hold 320 watts for like 3 or 4 hours.
I've been following the ongoing dialogue about V02 max here. It seems to me that rucking is likely a good exercise for people, especially out of shape folks like me, to raise the FLOOR of cardio fitness and V02 max. It's not likely to have significant impact on the ceiling of your cardio fitness, although, depending on where you start, it should help.
I walked 1.89 miles with my pack loaded with a 20 pound plate and my heart rate was noticeably higher and the fatigue in my upper back and legs was higher than if I'd been walking without a pack.
That’s wild
I think walking is the best place to start for someone getting off the couch and starting from scratch.
Zone 2 should feel like you can still carry on a conversation and not be totally out of breath, but someone could tell you're definitely exercising when speaking with you on the phone for example. At least, 150 mins of this a week would be great.
And keep in mind, even if the pounds aren't coming off quickly, there's still a huge benefit in getting your VO2 max into the top 25% for age group.
Strong agree, walking is GOOD for you. Very clear blood sugar benefits to walking.
Which, since this is a progress check, the one thing I am failing on this year is my overall steps. I don't record fancy stuff, but the default health tracking on the Iphone had me at 7500 per day in 2023 and dropped to 6500 in 2024. Part of that is variability with recording steps while golfing, part was running less but was more than offset by plenty of rowing. But I still wanted to get it back to 7500 this year.
Well January was ass weather and I'm at 4500 per day so far this year. Rowing machine winning instead.
Walking is a lot easier in California
It never rains in Southern California.
So you may burn down.
One April we were swimming in the ocean at Oceanside in 105 degree heat with fires at Pendleton and on the 15 at the 76 with one at Carlsbad
Crazy day
Yeah, thanks for this. Not gonna lie, checking in on the MAHA board has actually taught me a few things* and been inspiring me to get moving again. Cheers to a healthier 2025!
*Also talking with my physician, and getting some blood work done. I'm not solely making health decisions based on a college football internet message board.
Please, for the love of god, don't make health decisions based on the advice of lay people on a back water college football message board!!
HOWEVER, if you are going to make health decisions based on the advice of lay people on a college football message board, make sure it is this one and not the one where the most prominent member is literally nicknamed Fatters, or the other one where the founder was well known for her double chin (and nice ass).