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WSU, OSU File Emergency Restraining Order vs P12

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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,735 Founders Club
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2023

    haie said:
    Actually, the PAC-12 opened in 2011, when Colorado and Utah joined.
    All this suit is about is letting the 2 remaining schools determine the Destiny of the Conference and also make the PAC 12 and NCAA disclose just what assets are available after Spring sports conclude in 2024 and what revenues would be due to the Conference after that. Because technically it would still be a Power 5 conference through 2025 and maybe 2026 as they have the opportunity to rebuild the conference to at least 8 teams after that.

    That probably won’t happen. But what this would do is stop the Robber Barons from pilfering funds that would be due to the PAC 2 teams through 2025 and possibly 2026 should they decide to wait it out and play heavy Non con schedules. Afterall, they already have at least 4 games scheduled in Football.

    And should the suit be successful and they decide to ride it out to collect the Power 5 cash, the landscape will be different then. And it’s possible that there’s a better option other than the Mtn West available. Many think that both schools could net $30 mill doing this.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Tequilla said:

    Basically they want to control the Pac 12 at this point, and that remaining members lose their votes for the board. This would allow them more autonomy in adding or merging with others. Makes sense.

    They should have full autonomy post August 1st or whatever

    Where it gets dicey is when it comes to fulfilling the existing contract

    The other thing nobody is talking about is what provisions are contained tied to winding down and/or dissolution … I’ve never read a partnership agreement that doesn’t have that provision contained within
    That more than anything is what this suit is about. Transparency.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2023
    haie said:

    Cougzz said:

    Using the 2021 Colonial Athletic Association v. James Madison University matter as precedent, it appears that the Beavs and Cougs automatically play on December 1 at Allegiant Stadium for the P12 championship:

    “ RICHMOND, Va. (November 10, 2021) – The Colonial Athletic Association Board of Directors has reaffirmed its decision to deny a waiver request from James Madison University to allow its teams to compete in CAA team championships during the 2021-22 season.”

    I'm all for them gathering whatever is left of the network/conference to set themselves up going forward.

    But to sit and make this as hard as possible for the schools leaving is just a waste of everyone's time. SC/UCLA/UO/UW lawyers had already gone over everything months and months ago.
    I haven’t seen anything in the suit that tries to restrict the schools from leaving. Having the schools stay actually detracts from the goals of the suit.

    Which is for the NCAA and the Conference disclose revenues due to the remaining teams for ‘24-25 and beyond. And for the remaining schools to receive that, should they decide to ride it out.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    SkipBoyd said:

    Sadly, for Beavlet and CUOG, they’re a day late and a dollar short. They’re arguing that once a member announces they are leaving that school has no seat on the board. USC, UCLA, and CU all announced and had members of the board meet more than once. Shoulda applied for the TRO then.

    Citation needed. As Wilner said that UCLA and SC haven’t had a vote on a board since 2022. The Zoom meeting that you guys didn’t show up to or anything that had to with votes to LEAVE! don’t count.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,047
    edited September 2023
    pawz said:

    I'm sure we have some resident big brain lawyers who can help clarify the contract law at play here. But on the face of it, I have a hard time believing that WSU and OSU are going to successfully pilfer $100m of jointly-owned assets based on a technicality.

    @creepycoug True ?!
    At this point, there should be an injunction admitting Cuog! to the Big 24 or whatever and relegating Wisconsin and their faux arrogance to the rebuilt Pac 12. Maybe they'll learn how to play football and win a Rose Bowl once a century.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,047

    pawz said:

    I'm sure we have some resident big brain lawyers who can help clarify the contract law at play here. But on the face of it, I have a hard time believing that WSU and OSU are going to successfully pilfer $100m of jointly-owned assets based on a technicality.

    @creepycoug True ?!
    At this point, there should be an injunction admitting Cuog! to the Big 24 or whatever and relegating Wisconsin and their faux arrogance to the rebuilt Pac 12. Maybe they'll learn how to play football and win a Rose Bowl once a century.
    It's going to be fun watching schools like Purdue and Illinois get their shit pushed in on the regular by the old Pac teams.
    Absolutely. The posture of this thing is like the P12 teams are joining Big Brother. That's not quite right. Adding the Pac teams is going to make it tuff on everybody, and the current bottom third are going to struggle more than ever. I would also argue that teams like Wisconsin and Michigan State don't have much to gain either.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,117 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    I'm sure we have some resident big brain lawyers who can help clarify the contract law at play here. But on the face of it, I have a hard time believing that WSU and OSU are going to successfully pilfer $100m of jointly-owned assets based on a technicality.

    @creepycoug True ?!
    At this point, there should be an injunction admitting Cuog! to the Big 24 or whatever and relegating Wisconsin and their faux arrogance to the rebuilt Pac 12. Maybe they'll learn how to play football and win a Rose Bowl once a century.
    It's going to be fun watching schools like Purdue and Illinois get their shit pushed in on the regular by the old Pac teams.
    Absolutely. The posture of this thing is like the P12 teams are joining Big Brother. That's not quite right. Adding the Pac teams is going to make it tuff on everybody, and the current bottom third are going to struggle more than ever. I would also argue that teams like Wisconsin and Michigan State don't have much to gain either.
    USC has also won the most Rose Bowls (25), followed by Michigan and Ohio State (8 each); Washington and Stanford (7 each); and UCLA (5). Michigan has lost the most (12), followed by USC (9), Ohio State, UCLA and Stanford (7 each), Washington and Wisconsin (6 each)

    Historically, the PAC was big brother. This was financial mismanagement and hubris by school administrations rather than football related.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2023

    is

    pawz said:

    I'm sure we have some resident big brain lawyers who can help clarify the contract law at play here. But on the face of it, I have a hard time believing that WSU and OSU are going to successfully pilfer $100m of jointly-owned assets based on a technicality.

    @creepycoug True ?!
    At this point, there should be an injunction admitting Cuog! to the Big 24 or whatever and relegating Wisconsin and their faux arrogance to the rebuilt Pac 12. Maybe they'll learn how to play football and win a Rose Bowl once a century.
    It's going to be fun watching schools like Purdue and Illinois get their shit pushed in on the regular by the old Pac teams.
    Absolutely. The posture of this thing is like the P12 teams are joining Big Brother. That's not quite right. Adding the Pac teams is going to make it tuff on everybody, and the current bottom third are going to struggle more than ever. I would also argue that teams like Wisconsin and Michigan State don't have much to gain either.
    USC has also won the most Rose Bowls (25), followed by Michigan and Ohio State (8 each); Washington and Stanford (7 each); and UCLA (5). Michigan has lost the most (12), followed by USC (9), Ohio State, UCLA and Stanford (7 each), Washington and Wisconsin (6 each)

    Historically, the PAC was big brother. This was financial mismanagement and hubris by school administrations rather than football related.
    Those numbers are highly skewed by the BCS and CFP.

    As the Big 10 would have many more Rose Bowl wins without it. Fuck for 25 years only SC and Oregon had a prayer at winning one. And most weren’t answered. And many years the Big 10 sent their 2nd best and still whooped PAC 12 ass.

    It seems this move to the Big 10 has made otherwise smart posters, not somehow.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,682 Founders Club
    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    How did the Dynasty fair?
  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    In fairness. That was the 3rd best pac 12 team. But still.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    In fairness. That was the 3rd best pac 12 team. But still.
    That damn snow potd.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2023
    Bob_C said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    How did the Dynasty fair?
    Point to me where the Hot Boyz hurt you. Cuz you would be the first.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    In fairness. That was the 3rd best pac 12 team. But still.
    Again lol button needed.




    And again. I’m not donating.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,735 Founders Club
    Kaepsknee said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    In fairness. That was the 3rd best pac 12 team. But still.
    Again lol button needed.




    And again. I’m not donating.
    Agreed. They were the 4th best.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Kaepsknee said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    In fairness. That was the 3rd best pac 12 team. But still.
    That damn snow potd.
    Nothing Cuogs hate more than snow
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2023

    Kaepsknee said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    In fairness. That was the 3rd best pac 12 team. But still.
    That damn snow potd.
    Nothing Cuogs hate more than snow
    Well…. that was the joke.




    Guess I’m off to the BDTW site.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Kaepsknee said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    The Big 10 sent their 3rd best team last season and still won.

    In fairness. That was the 3rd best pac 12 team. But still.
    That damn snow potd.
    Nothing Cuogs hate more than snow
    Well…. that was the joke.




    Guess I’m off to the BDTW site.
    Later, guym
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,117 Founders Club
    Kaepsknee said:

    is

    pawz said:

    I'm sure we have some resident big brain lawyers who can help clarify the contract law at play here. But on the face of it, I have a hard time believing that WSU and OSU are going to successfully pilfer $100m of jointly-owned assets based on a technicality.

    @creepycoug True ?!
    At this point, there should be an injunction admitting Cuog! to the Big 24 or whatever and relegating Wisconsin and their faux arrogance to the rebuilt Pac 12. Maybe they'll learn how to play football and win a Rose Bowl once a century.
    It's going to be fun watching schools like Purdue and Illinois get their shit pushed in on the regular by the old Pac teams.
    Absolutely. The posture of this thing is like the P12 teams are joining Big Brother. That's not quite right. Adding the Pac teams is going to make it tuff on everybody, and the current bottom third are going to struggle more than ever. I would also argue that teams like Wisconsin and Michigan State don't have much to gain either.
    USC has also won the most Rose Bowls (25), followed by Michigan and Ohio State (8 each); Washington and Stanford (7 each); and UCLA (5). Michigan has lost the most (12), followed by USC (9), Ohio State, UCLA and Stanford (7 each), Washington and Wisconsin (6 each)

    Historically, the PAC was big brother. This was financial mismanagement and hubris by school administrations rather than football related.
    Those numbers are highly skewed by the BCS and CFP.

    As the Big 10 would have many more Rose Bowl wins without it. Fuck for 25 years only SC and Oregon had a prayer at winning one. And most weren’t answered. And many years the Big 10 sent their 2nd best and still whooped PAC 12 ass.

    It seems this move to the Big 10 has made otherwise smart posters, not somehow.
    Cool hypothetical.

    How many years was the bcs argument relevant? Was it more than 30? Bc that's the differential.
  • Cougzz
    Cougzz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 307 Swaye's Wigwam
    The Temporary Restraining Order is approved. Whitman County has one Superior Court judge…Gary Libey, former Whitman County Cougar Club president. This must be what it is to live in SEC country. Off to the most important court case soon. Geaux Cougs!
  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    Whitman County Superior Court earlier today with Cuog and Beav ...