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Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority? Both can be possible: he voted the right way, and he benefited from the thing he's striking down. Not a problem for me.hardhat said:
Also, lots of white people also grew up in abject poverty outside of Savanah and had no running water. The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that the physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB.
Also, the odds of CT not having benefited from AA are low, and you all know it. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure (well, somebody does, but not us), but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt. -
The number of things that H says he doesn't support but are bedrock dem issues for dems that he votes for almost would lead you to believe he is lying.RaceBannon said:To review
H is against affirmative action but voted for Hillary who would have nominated judges who would keep it.
I voted for Trump who nominated judges who decided against it.
H voted for Biden who nominated Jackson who basically said
It's unconstitutional but still
It's so unfair to say that H votes like an idiot -
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
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But Sotomayor grew up poor in a housing project in the Bronx, so it's unlikely that these preferences were the defining feature of her academic future.hardhat said:
Or whatever.
You have at least three AA action babies on the SCOTUS. They all had AA help. The odds one didn't are exceedingly low. -
At some point, a person can overcome the stigma of doubt. Thomas clearly has. Kentanji Brown Jackson never will. Neither did Sandra Day O'Connor. In fact, today any degree, regardless of race, from an Ivy League university would leave me with a huge stigma of doubt. In the Transhauser Bush fiasco, the new marketing director has a Wharton MBA and the CEO has a Harvard MBA. Apparently understanding your product and your market was not in the curriculum, like internal controls was missing from the dazzler's mythical MBA program.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt. -
AA action babies. Nice.creepycoug said:
But Sotomayor grew up poor in a housing project in the Bronx, so it's unlikely that these preferences were the defining feature of her academic future.hardhat said:
Or whatever.
You have at least three AA action babies on the SCOTUS. They all had AA help. The odds one didn't are exceedingly low.
She's at least famous for thinking there were 100,000 children hospitalized with covid, 'many of them on ventilators'. -
I totally get that and appreciate the point. The implied message of "this is a disaster" is that you, young black man, can't do it on your own without me helping you. It's horrible.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
But his reasoning was garbage. He grew up poor with no running water; hence AA likely isn't what got him to Yale and the SCOTUS. GMAFB. That's new-level stupid. You can't cherry pick your AA babies and assume the one you like is the one who didn't need it, absent clear and definitive proof to the contrary. For Yale LS, I need to see a top 1% LSAT, and a near perfect GPA in a rigorous UG curriculum. Anything less than that, knowing what I know about AA programs, and I'm right in assuming you were given a helping hand.
Again, mind you, I have no problem with his vote. He's entitled to call the shot as it should be called, regardless of his personal circumstances. And Dyson is an idiot. -
I'm not sure how to react to reasonable, nuanced discussion in the Tug.creepycoug said:
I totally get that and appreciate the point. The implied message of "this is a disaster" is that you, young black man, can't do it on your own without me helping you. It's horrible.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
But his reasoning was garbage. He grew up poor with no running water; hence AA likely isn't what got him to Yale and the SCOTUS. GMAFB. That's new-level stupid. You can't cherry pick your AA babies and assume the one you like is the one who didn't need it, absent clear and definitive proof to the contrary. For Yale LS, I need to see a top 1% LSAT, and a near perfect GPA in a rigorous UG curriculum. Anything less than that, knowing what I know about AA programs, and I'm right in assuming you were given a helping hand.
Again, mind you, I have no problem with his vote. He's entitled to call the shot as it should be called, regardless of his personal circumstances. And Dyson is an idiot. -
Dazzler lie? Unheard of.WestlinnDuck said:
The number of things that H says he doesn't support but are bedrock dem issues for dems that he votes for almost would lead you to believe he is lying.RaceBannon said:To review
H is against affirmative action but voted for Hillary who would have nominated judges who would keep it.
I voted for Trump who nominated judges who decided against it.
H voted for Biden who nominated Jackson who basically said
It's unconstitutional but still
It's so unfair to say that H votes like an idiot -
Easy, you just tell him to Fuck off.hardhat said:
I'm not sure how to react to reasonable, nuanced discussion in the Tug.creepycoug said:
I totally get that and appreciate the point. The implied message of "this is a disaster" is that you, young black man, can't do it on your own without me helping you. It's horrible.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
But his reasoning was garbage. He grew up poor with no running water; hence AA likely isn't what got him to Yale and the SCOTUS. GMAFB. That's new-level stupid. You can't cherry pick your AA babies and assume the one you like is the one who didn't need it, absent clear and definitive proof to the contrary. For Yale LS, I need to see a top 1% LSAT, and a near perfect GPA in a rigorous UG curriculum. Anything less than that, knowing what I know about AA programs, and I'm right in assuming you were given a helping hand.
Again, mind you, I have no problem with his vote. He's entitled to call the shot as it should be called, regardless of his personal circumstances. And Dyson is an idiot. -
Fuck offhardhat said:
I'm not sure how to react to reasonable, nuanced discussion in the Tug.creepycoug said:
I totally get that and appreciate the point. The implied message of "this is a disaster" is that you, young black man, can't do it on your own without me helping you. It's horrible.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
But his reasoning was garbage. He grew up poor with no running water; hence AA likely isn't what got him to Yale and the SCOTUS. GMAFB. That's new-level stupid. You can't cherry pick your AA babies and assume the one you like is the one who didn't need it, absent clear and definitive proof to the contrary. For Yale LS, I need to see a top 1% LSAT, and a near perfect GPA in a rigorous UG curriculum. Anything less than that, knowing what I know about AA programs, and I'm right in assuming you were given a helping hand.
Again, mind you, I have no problem with his vote. He's entitled to call the shot as it should be called, regardless of his personal circumstances. And Dyson is an idiot. -
That kind of hostility would never play on the Whine and Cheese board.RaceBannon said:
Fuck offhardhat said:
I'm not sure how to react to reasonable, nuanced discussion in the Tug.creepycoug said:
I totally get that and appreciate the point. The implied message of "this is a disaster" is that you, young black man, can't do it on your own without me helping you. It's horrible.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
But his reasoning was garbage. He grew up poor with no running water; hence AA likely isn't what got him to Yale and the SCOTUS. GMAFB. That's new-level stupid. You can't cherry pick your AA babies and assume the one you like is the one who didn't need it, absent clear and definitive proof to the contrary. For Yale LS, I need to see a top 1% LSAT, and a near perfect GPA in a rigorous UG curriculum. Anything less than that, knowing what I know about AA programs, and I'm right in assuming you were given a helping hand.
Again, mind you, I have no problem with his vote. He's entitled to call the shot as it should be called, regardless of his personal circumstances. And Dyson is an idiot. -
I guess women are just going to have to sleep their way to the top like Kamela and Pelosi did.creepycoug said:
But Sotomayor grew up poor in a housing project in the Bronx, so it's unlikely that these preferences were the defining feature of her academic future.hardhat said:
Or whatever.
You have at least three AA action babies on the SCOTUS. They all had AA help. The odds one didn't are exceedingly low.
Giggity.
Edit for Maria Cantwell, too.
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It’s God’s will.PurpleThrobber said:
I guess women are just going to have to sleep their way to the top like Kamela and Pelosi did.creepycoug said:
But Sotomayor grew up poor in a housing project in the Bronx, so it's unlikely that these preferences were the defining feature of her academic future.hardhat said:
Or whatever.
You have at least three AA action babies on the SCOTUS. They all had AA help. The odds one didn't are exceedingly low.
Giggity.
Edit for Maria Cantwell, too. -
It's fun and appealing to presume that someone can overcome the stigma of doubt if they act, speak and behave as we wish. However, that's not how it works. You either got a break getting into and financing school, or you didn't. Most clear-thinking people assume that POC got the break and thus are AA babies. Nobody ever said they'll all prove to be fuck-ups later on. Just that they were gift-wrapped a chance denied others solely because of the accident of their race/ethnicity.WestlinnDuck said:
At some point, a person can overcome the stigma of doubt. Thomas clearly has. Kentanji Brown Jackson never will. Neither did Sandra Day O'Connor. In fact, today any degree, regardless of race, from an Ivy League university would leave me with a huge stigma of doubt. In the Transhauser Bush fiasco, the new marketing director has a Wharton MBA and the CEO has a Harvard MBA. Apparently understanding your product and your market was not in the curriculum, like internal controls was missing from the dazzler's mythical MBA program.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
Charles Murray's work adds about a million tons of burden to the issue as well. Ask Bob. -
Absolutely incrediblehardhat said: -
I read part of Jackson's dissent. It was third grade logic. It was stupefying.hardhat said:HHusky said:
Imagine the Babylon Bee getting the position of most Democrats wrong.Sledog said:
The insanity is over? I'm sure the lefty loons running the colleges are going to ignore this ruling like a Dazzler post.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/02/25/most-americans-say-colleges-should-not-consider-race-or-ethnicity-in-admissions/
So you're saying that the people they elected don't give a fuck what they think? -
And it's backed by actual science!!!!!!!!
At highly selective liberal arts colleges, officials expect that the number of Black students could return to levels not seen since the 1960s. An amicus brief filed by the highly selective liberal arts schools, including Amherst, Wesleyan and Williams, said that “the percentage of Black students matriculating would drop from roughly 7.1 percent of the student body to 2.1 percent.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/us/politics/affirmative-action-college-students-black-latino.html?searchResultPosition=1
The Gatekeepers are saying what Erica Marsh did, but with science!!!!!! Someone needs to apologize to Charles Murray for all the shit he's taken. @SFGbob Turns out the liberal elite agree with him. -
Not sure what you are saying. I don't respect Thomas as a justice because he does what I want, I respect him because he is a Constitutional scholar and despite the personal blowback for his unpopular decisions with the so-called US elite, as a man of character he has remained steadfast as a supporter of the Constitution. Now compare that with Sandra Day O'Connor or John Roberts, a spineless sack of a man and possibly being blackmailed. When you read a Thomas opinion you don't get a recital of how the Euros feel about things, or the use of emanations and penumbras to create super rights out of pure cloth.creepycoug said:
It's fun and appealing to presume that someone can overcome the stigma of doubt if they act, speak and behave as we wish. However, that's not how it works. You either got a break getting into and financing school, or you didn't. Most clear-thinking people assume that POC got the break and thus are AA babies. Nobody ever said they'll all prove to be fuck-ups later on. Just that they were gift-wrapped a chance denied others solely because of the accident of their race/ethnicity.WestlinnDuck said:
At some point, a person can overcome the stigma of doubt. Thomas clearly has. Kentanji Brown Jackson never will. Neither did Sandra Day O'Connor. In fact, today any degree, regardless of race, from an Ivy League university would leave me with a huge stigma of doubt. In the Transhauser Bush fiasco, the new marketing director has a Wharton MBA and the CEO has a Harvard MBA. Apparently understanding your product and your market was not in the curriculum, like internal controls was missing from the dazzler's mythical MBA program.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
Charles Murray's work adds about a million tons of burden to the issue as well. Ask Bob.
I'm obviously opposed to race based admissions and don't doubt that Thomas was an AA admit. The fact that he did get a chance and then ran with it and became one of the great Justices in the last century is not something I hold against him. -
Yes, you are. IDC if you respect him, or why. I"ve already covered all that anyway. This is an AA discussion, not a deviation into all the things you care about and like. The "stigma of doubt" has nothing to do with what happens later or can be overcome by doing things that turn out to make you happy. The stigma is that you got there through means other than merit and stole a more deserving person's spot, which is dishonorable on its face, and casts a shadow over all that follows from it because of the taint on how you got your start.WestlinnDuck said:
Not sure what you are saying. I don't respect Thomas as a justice because he does what I want, I respect him because he is a Constitutional scholar and despite the personal blowback for his unpopular decisions with the so-called US elite, as a man of character he has remained steadfast as a supporter of the Constitution. Now compare that with Sandra Day O'Connor or John Roberts, a spineless sack of a man and possibly being blackmailed. When you read a Thomas opinion you don't get a recital of how the Euros feel about things, or the use of emanations and penumbras to create super rights out of pure cloth.creepycoug said:
It's fun and appealing to presume that someone can overcome the stigma of doubt if they act, speak and behave as we wish. However, that's not how it works. You either got a break getting into and financing school, or you didn't. Most clear-thinking people assume that POC got the break and thus are AA babies. Nobody ever said they'll all prove to be fuck-ups later on. Just that they were gift-wrapped a chance denied others solely because of the accident of their race/ethnicity.WestlinnDuck said:
At some point, a person can overcome the stigma of doubt. Thomas clearly has. Kentanji Brown Jackson never will. Neither did Sandra Day O'Connor. In fact, today any degree, regardless of race, from an Ivy League university would leave me with a huge stigma of doubt. In the Transhauser Bush fiasco, the new marketing director has a Wharton MBA and the CEO has a Harvard MBA. Apparently understanding your product and your market was not in the curriculum, like internal controls was missing from the dazzler's mythical MBA program.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
Charles Murray's work adds about a million tons of burden to the issue as well. Ask Bob.
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In hindsight, he was the more deserving person and he stole no ones spot. You seem to denigrate a lifetime of character and intellectual achievement. You can have John Roberts.creepycoug said:
Yes, you are. IDC if you respect him, or why. I"ve already covered all that anyway. This is an AA discussion, not a deviation into all the things you care about and like. The "stigma of doubt" has nothing to do with what happens later or can be overcome by doing things that turn out to make you happy. The stigma is that you got there through means other than merit and stole a more deserving person's spot, which is dishonorable on its face, and casts a shadow over all that follows from it because of the taint on how you got your start.WestlinnDuck said:
Not sure what you are saying. I don't respect Thomas as a justice because he does what I want, I respect him because he is a Constitutional scholar and despite the personal blowback for his unpopular decisions with the so-called US elite, as a man of character he has remained steadfast as a supporter of the Constitution. Now compare that with Sandra Day O'Connor or John Roberts, a spineless sack of a man and possibly being blackmailed. When you read a Thomas opinion you don't get a recital of how the Euros feel about things, or the use of emanations and penumbras to create super rights out of pure cloth.creepycoug said:
It's fun and appealing to presume that someone can overcome the stigma of doubt if they act, speak and behave as we wish. However, that's not how it works. You either got a break getting into and financing school, or you didn't. Most clear-thinking people assume that POC got the break and thus are AA babies. Nobody ever said they'll all prove to be fuck-ups later on. Just that they were gift-wrapped a chance denied others solely because of the accident of their race/ethnicity.WestlinnDuck said:
At some point, a person can overcome the stigma of doubt. Thomas clearly has. Kentanji Brown Jackson never will. Neither did Sandra Day O'Connor. In fact, today any degree, regardless of race, from an Ivy League university would leave me with a huge stigma of doubt. In the Transhauser Bush fiasco, the new marketing director has a Wharton MBA and the CEO has a Harvard MBA. Apparently understanding your product and your market was not in the curriculum, like internal controls was missing from the dazzler's mythical MBA program.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
Charles Murray's work adds about a million tons of burden to the issue as well. Ask Bob. -
JFC, it's like you can't or don't want to get through the most basic levels of reasoning. I'm not denigrating anybody, so put your delicate feelings away and grab your intellectual balls duck! And for Fuck's sake, read. the. post. Or just bow out with some shred of dignity. @haie is right about you guys.WestlinnDuck said:
In hindsight, he was the more deserving person and he stole no ones spot. You seem to denigrate a lifetime of character and intellectual achievement. You can have John Roberts.creepycoug said:
Yes, you are. IDC if you respect him, or why. I"ve already covered all that anyway. This is an AA discussion, not a deviation into all the things you care about and like. The "stigma of doubt" has nothing to do with what happens later or can be overcome by doing things that turn out to make you happy. The stigma is that you got there through means other than merit and stole a more deserving person's spot, which is dishonorable on its face, and casts a shadow over all that follows from it because of the taint on how you got your start.WestlinnDuck said:
Not sure what you are saying. I don't respect Thomas as a justice because he does what I want, I respect him because he is a Constitutional scholar and despite the personal blowback for his unpopular decisions with the so-called US elite, as a man of character he has remained steadfast as a supporter of the Constitution. Now compare that with Sandra Day O'Connor or John Roberts, a spineless sack of a man and possibly being blackmailed. When you read a Thomas opinion you don't get a recital of how the Euros feel about things, or the use of emanations and penumbras to create super rights out of pure cloth.creepycoug said:
It's fun and appealing to presume that someone can overcome the stigma of doubt if they act, speak and behave as we wish. However, that's not how it works. You either got a break getting into and financing school, or you didn't. Most clear-thinking people assume that POC got the break and thus are AA babies. Nobody ever said they'll all prove to be fuck-ups later on. Just that they were gift-wrapped a chance denied others solely because of the accident of their race/ethnicity.WestlinnDuck said:
At some point, a person can overcome the stigma of doubt. Thomas clearly has. Kentanji Brown Jackson never will. Neither did Sandra Day O'Connor. In fact, today any degree, regardless of race, from an Ivy League university would leave me with a huge stigma of doubt. In the Transhauser Bush fiasco, the new marketing director has a Wharton MBA and the CEO has a Harvard MBA. Apparently understanding your product and your market was not in the curriculum, like internal controls was missing from the dazzler's mythical MBA program.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
Charles Murray's work adds about a million tons of burden to the issue as well. Ask Bob.
In highsight? What are you magic or something? You have no idea of that at all and are now talking straight out of your butt hole. You don't know he was the most deserving, and you don't know that he didn't steal someone's spot. In fact, you even said the opposite (I'm obviously opposed to race based admissions and don't doubt that Thomas was an AA admit. )
Are you keeping track of where we are here? This isn't revisionist history day Puddles. I'm sure quite a number of recipients of AA have done quite well with their chance; I know several of them personally. If you understand the issue, however, which you don't seem to very well, the ends don't justify the means here. The issue here is the practice of AA in the first instance. THAT is what the case is about. The majority didn't say, "but if it turns out the AA baby is a good guy, then retroactively it's ok." I get it: you want to save your favorite black jurist from the scorn. Sorry ese; it don't work that way in this barrio. You either have a consistent philosophy or you just cherry pick your way through everything.
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I didn't even see this. Within seconds according to the time stampSFGbob said:
Easy, you just tell him to Fuck off.hardhat said:
I'm not sure how to react to reasonable, nuanced discussion in the Tug.creepycoug said:
I totally get that and appreciate the point. The implied message of "this is a disaster" is that you, young black man, can't do it on your own without me helping you. It's horrible.hardhat said:
Zaid isn't the type of guy who runs cover for Clarence Thomas. The hatred that Thomas and guys like Thomas Sowell get from some on the left is what he's calling out. It's as if they're 'ungrateful' for the white saviors those same lefties think themselves to be. How dare they?creepycoug said:
Why are we running cover for this guy? Can't we have a good decision and also not have to twist ourselves into a pretzel about someone in the majority. Two things:hardhat said:
Lots of white people grew up in abject poverty outside of Savannah with no running water; and
The odds of AA not having played a role in CT's ascension are pretty low.
The whole point of this decision is, or should be, that physiological fact of your race/ethnicity is not the defining characteristic of who you are. Evidence of overcoming struggle and burden is relevant, and it turns out that white people experience those things as well. GMAFB. Yale LS is a single-digit admit and from an odds standpoint the least likely place you'll get into among all American law schools. Holy Cross isn't exactly WSU either. And they're both private schools and thus pretty expensive. Nobody knows for sure, but the odds are heavy that Clarence Thomas had a helping hand along the way due at least in part to his race. And this demonstrates another negative about AA: the loss of the benefit of the doubt.
But his reasoning was garbage. He grew up poor with no running water; hence AA likely isn't what got him to Yale and the SCOTUS. GMAFB. That's new-level stupid. You can't cherry pick your AA babies and assume the one you like is the one who didn't need it, absent clear and definitive proof to the contrary. For Yale LS, I need to see a top 1% LSAT, and a near perfect GPA in a rigorous UG curriculum. Anything less than that, knowing what I know about AA programs, and I'm right in assuming you were given a helping hand.
Again, mind you, I have no problem with his vote. He's entitled to call the shot as it should be called, regardless of his personal circumstances. And Dyson is an idiot.
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Turns out that Obama fucked student loans while fucking health insurance. Dumbo thought the government could do it better or did he?
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Gotta give a shout out to Mitch
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Thomas got into Holy Cross and Yale as a result of affirmative action. He has a lot of psychological baggage connected with that. He doesn't owe it to anyone to keep an unconstitutional practice in place even if he benefitted from it.
But as the Harlan Crowe episode shows, he is also dishonest and eager to curry favor. His dishonesty is long-standing: https://greensboro.com/thomas-sister-is-no-welfare-queen/article_b0ec5042-0ac7-583b-94df-4771404be433.html
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Now Dazzler is a pretend shrink, along with pretend lawyer.HHusky said:Thomas got into Holy Cross and Yale as a result of affirmative action. He has a lot of psychological baggage connected with that. He doesn't owe it to anyone to keep an unconstitutional practice in place even if he benefitted from it.
But as the Harlan Crowe episode shows, he is also dishonest and eager to curry favor. His dishonesty is long-standing: https://greensboro.com/thomas-sister-is-no-welfare-queen/article_b0ec5042-0ac7-583b-94df-4771404be433.html
Sigmund Dazzler. Achtung, baby.
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How dare he turn against the white saviors!HHusky said:Thomas got into Holy Cross and Yale as a result of affirmative action. He has a lot of psychological baggage connected with that. He doesn't owe it to anyone to keep an unconstitutional practice in place even if he benefitted from it.
But as the Harlan Crowe episode shows, he is also dishonest and eager to curry favor. His dishonesty is long-standing: https://greensboro.com/thomas-sister-is-no-welfare-queen/article_b0ec5042-0ac7-583b-94df-4771404be433.html -
RacistHHusky said:Thomas got into Holy Cross and Yale as a result of affirmative action. He has a lot of psychological baggage connected with that. He doesn't owe it to anyone to keep an unconstitutional practice in place even if he benefitted from it.
But as the Harlan Crowe episode shows, he is also dishonest and eager to curry favor. His dishonesty is long-standing: https://greensboro.com/thomas-sister-is-no-welfare-queen/article_b0ec5042-0ac7-583b-94df-4771404be433.html
