So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.
Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?
Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?
I am completely okay with the status quo here. The US and NATO do the supplying, the Ukrainians and Russias are doing the dying.
At no point in the current situation will the US even fathom putting boots on the ground.
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.
Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?
Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?
I am completely okay with the status quo here. The US and NATO do the supplying, the Ukrainians and Russias are doing the dying.
At no point in the current situation will the US even fathom putting boots on the ground.
Joe Biden is POTUS. HTH.
You are retarded. HTH.
You’re high on the establishment Ukrainian tailpipe hits. Biden is greasing the wheels for a kinetic engagement with Russia. Wake the fuck up.
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
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And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
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And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.
We dont know who blew up that pipeline
LOL................but we do know that Ukraine is kicking ass because MAPS!
Yes, if you actually looked at the map you can see that Russia tried and failed to take 3 major Ukranian citites - while losing thousands of their best troops in the process.
Russia has taken Mariupol and that's about it. Congrats.
If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots.
If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots.
We are scheduled to sent Ukraine brand new Bradleys and M1 tanks. We have already sent state of the art artillery systems. Why wouldn't Putin use tactical nukes if his back is against the wall? Your thread shouldn't start with, "because he won't".
PS This isn't the 1970s and how did Afghanistan work out for us after the commies left? PPS There are a lot of things we shouldn't be doing but having anti-American POS that are making a fortune in Ukraine run the show, then we are funding all sorts of sh*t including Ukrainian theftocrats.
If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots.
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Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
Especially when it involves 0 boots on the ground
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
Russia has taken Mariupol and that's about it. Congrats.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots.
PS This isn't the 1970s and how did Afghanistan work out for us after the commies left?
PPS There are a lot of things we shouldn't be doing but having anti-American POS that are making a fortune in Ukraine run the show, then we are funding all sorts of sh*t including Ukrainian theftocrats.
Do you realize that Zelensky is Jewish?