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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,699
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    You don't defend democracy by jailing opponents and banning churches and opposition parties

    Zelensky is a gutless punk hiding behind the EU bitch while his people die

    Wake the fuck up

    Holy fuck you are so fucking stupid. Suck Russia's dick harder. Those people getting jailed, those opposition parties, and the Russian Orthodox churches were supporting the fucking invasion.

    Russia literally had sympathizers in the mayor of Kherson and the local Ukranian general, who allowed the Russian military to waltz right into the city. Russia couldn't even hold on to that city.

    For the record, if Trump won a second term I 100% believe this shitshow never happens. Trump did not fuck around, it was amazing when he blew Iran's general the fuck up. Trump would have told Putin to fuck right off and Putin would have listened.

    Why do you keep talking about Russia. Biden voter

    Because Zelensky and Ukraine are no better

    Fuck em all

    America first
    Zelensky and Ukraine are a million times better than Russia.

    Russia is a has been bully that has got away with its bullshit for far too long. Obama did fucking nothing in 2014 when Russia waltzed into Crimea, it was pathetic.

    Finally the US has grown some nuts regarding the situation, and dumb fucks like you are towing the line for a genocidal midget maniac.

    It's honestly pathetic how ignorant you are on the topic. Educate yourself or shut the fuck up.
    Why didn't your boy protect democracy in Afghanistan?

    Dumbass Biden voter

    The establishment needs morons. Thank you for your service
    Race, I generally like you, but sometime you are a complete fucking retard. Like right now.

    I didn't vote for Biden, the Afghanistan decision was fucking retarded, and you are incapable of nuance.

    Educate yourself and then try again.
    You sound like Biden only dumber
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,465
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    I don't agree that the US should have anything to do with pensions in Ukraine. That is fucking stupid.

    I also think that the response to the East Palestine situation is criminal.

    I also think that Biden IS a criminal, and that he should be impeached and imprisoned. "10% for the big guy"

    I still believe and know that Ukraine has the right to kick Russia the fuck out of their country, and I support the US supplying old weapons and intelligence.

    Wrap your brain around that, cunt.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
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    46XiJCAB said:

    So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

    Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.


    This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

    However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

    As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

    You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
    The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

    Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

    Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.





    The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

    I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

    Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

    Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
    sure.gif

    And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.


    There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.

    Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.

    Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.

    On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
    Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.

    Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?

    Info on Azov:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889

    Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:

    https://liveuamap.com/



    Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).

    "In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"


    Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.

    Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.

    When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.

    Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,465
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    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

    Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.


    This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

    However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

    As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

    You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
    The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

    Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

    Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.





    The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

    I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

    Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

    Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
    sure.gif

    And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.


    There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.

    Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.

    Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.

    On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
    Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.

    Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?

    Info on Azov:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889

    Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:

    https://liveuamap.com/



    Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).

    "In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"


    Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.

    Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.

    When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.

    Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
    Look at the fucking map. HTH

    https://liveuamap.com/

    absolute peanut brains
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,465
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    Bad news for Russia apologists. Looks like the conservative majority UK govt. is going to be the first to provide Ukraine with long range missiles.





  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,765
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    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

    Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.


    This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

    However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

    As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

    You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
    The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

    Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

    Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.





    The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

    I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

    Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

    Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
    Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

    There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

    This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
    Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

    Smooth brain takes from both of you.

    The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

    Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

    We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

    Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

    Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

    China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

    The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

    If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

    This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

    No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.




    Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

    If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

    Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

    Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

    The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
    They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

    No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

    God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

    Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

    Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

    Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

    Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

    Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

    The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
    The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.

    Those dipshits said this war would be over in a week and that Zelensky should flee while he still could. How did that go?
    So they miscalculated again it sounds like. They are bound to have the right strategy this time.

    Why is it so hard for you guys to admit that all of the miscalculations in the world, none was bigger and worse than Russia's?

    Admit it. Russia is pathetic.
    I agree, they are pathetic. History says they get better with time through.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
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    46XiJCAB said:

    So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

    Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.


    This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

    However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

    As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

    You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
    The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

    Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

    Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.





    The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

    I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

    Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

    Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
    Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

    There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

    This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
    Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

    Smooth brain takes from both of you.

    The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

    Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

    We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

    Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

    Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

    China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

    The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

    If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

    This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

    No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.




    Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

    If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

    Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

    Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

    The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
    They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

    No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

    God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

    Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

    Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

    Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

    Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

    Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

    The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
    Who’s counting these 1000’s of dead Russians? Zelensky? Russia has been taking and giving territory since this started according to some experts.

    Why is that?

    Be honest, you’ve never listened to a counter assessment of the War in Ukraine, have you? You can’t wait until the US sends Troops to seal the deal, can you?
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    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

    Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.


    This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

    However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

    As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

    You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
    The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

    Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

    Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.





    The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

    I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

    Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

    Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
    Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

    There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

    This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
    Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

    Smooth brain takes from both of you.

    The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

    Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

    We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

    Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

    Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

    China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

    The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

    If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

    This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

    No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.




    Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

    If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

    Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

    Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

    The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
    They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

    No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

    God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

    Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

    Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

    Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

    Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

    Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

    The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
    The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.

    Those dipshits said this war would be over in a week and that Zelensky should flee while he still could. How did that go?
    So they miscalculated again it sounds like. They are bound to have the right strategy this time.

    Why is it so hard for you guys to admit that all of the miscalculations in the world, none was bigger and worse than Russia's?

    Admit it. Russia is pathetic.
    I agree, they are pathetic. History says they get better with time through.
    True, but this current iteration of Russia is a shell of the USSR and its predecessor
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    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

    Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.


    This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

    However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

    As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

    You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
    The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

    Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

    Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.





    The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

    I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

    Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

    Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
    Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

    There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

    This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
    Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

    Smooth brain takes from both of you.

    The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

    Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

    We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

    Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

    Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

    China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

    The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

    If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

    This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

    No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.




    Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

    If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

    Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

    Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

    The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
    They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

    No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

    God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

    Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

    Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

    Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

    Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

    Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

    The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
    Who’s counting these 1000’s of dead Russians? Zelensky? Russia has been taking and giving territory since this started according to some experts.

    Why is that?

    Be honest, you’ve never listened to a counter assessment of the War in Ukraine, have you? You can’t wait until the US sends Troops to seal the deal, can you?
    Look. At. The. Fucking. Map.

    Look at it.
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    US advisors are already there

    Arming Ukraine is an act of war

    You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support

    Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.

    Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.

    The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
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    US advisors are already there

    Arming Ukraine is an act of war

    You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support

    Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.

    Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.

    The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
    The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.

  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,699
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    US advisors are already there

    Arming Ukraine is an act of war

    You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support

    Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.

    Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.

    The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
    The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.

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    Bob_C said:

    Smooth brain takes from both of you.

    The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

    Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

    We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

    Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

    Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

    China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

    The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

    If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

    This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

    No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.




    Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

    If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

    Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

    Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

    The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
    Embarrassing venture into the tug.
    I'm 100% right on this topic.

    Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

    Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

    The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

    Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.



    Jesus Fucking Christ.

    Open your eyes man. IDGAF about 'surplus'. I DO GAF about some mad man on his deathbed (allegedly) being backed into a corner with a nuclear arsenal of 4500 nukes.

    And fuck that bullshit about 'democracy' in Ukraine. Those corrupt fucks invented shady elections. Where do you think Dominion got their practice hacking voting machines?

    I suppose you also think COVID start in a wet bat market and the vaccine will prevent transmission and save granny.



    Pressing

    If Russia nukes the world go ahead and gloat. It's not going to happen.

    Covid 100% came from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Nice try though
    Pressing what? Statistics and probability?

    You deny that Russia has a nuclear arsenal of at least 4500 warheads?

    You are 100% confident that Putin won't launch ANY of them?

    Russia is not going to launch nukes. Take all the screenshots you need.

    The probability of that happening is near 0.
    So, Putin just lets the Crimea go. Don't think so. I think he gets a risk free use of tactical nukes. If the Ukraine is worth it, let the Germans pay the price. Europe doesn't think it is worth the price so phuck em.
    Europe has been supplying Ukraine with a ton of shit, and now they are about to supply Ukraine with Leopard II tanks. Not understanding your point here.
    They send small numbers. IIRC 4 was countries donation. A NATO country.

    The numbers are Ukraine numbers. Russia is killing NAZI's and Ukraine has them to kill. I can't support NAZI's or midget dancing dictators. Short people have been the cause of the most death on this planet.
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    US advisors are already there

    Arming Ukraine is an act of war

    You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support

    Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.

    Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.

    The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
    The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.

    Okay, Vlad.
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    46XiJCAB said:

    Bob_C said:

    Smooth brain takes from both of you.

    The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

    Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

    We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

    Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

    Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

    China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

    The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

    If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

    This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

    No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.




    Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

    If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

    Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

    Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

    The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
    Embarrassing venture into the tug.
    I'm 100% right on this topic.

    Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

    Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

    The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

    Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
    You clearly have not listened to any former military personnel talk about Russia’s overall approach to this war. Starting with their initial incursion. Which was encouraged by Joey.
    I have listened to plenty. The consensus is that this had been a disaster for Russia and they are absolutely fucked.


    https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/russian-army-has-lost-up-to-half-of-key-battle-tanks-analysts-estimate-ukraine

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/13/russia-putin-war-ukraine-disaster/

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/russia-has-significantly-more-than-100000-casualties-in-ukraine-milley/

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1736394/putin-troops-russia-casualties-wagner-group-mercenaries-uk-ministry-defence-update
    You quote Milley twice so shame on you. You proved my point with another that it’s not a winnable tank war.

    No one is arguing that Russia and Ukraine are paying a human toll.

    You site an article that concluded with the theme here, that both side will need to negotiate sooner or later. That would be Gen. Milley.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,699
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    US advisors are already there

    Arming Ukraine is an act of war

    You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support

    Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.

    Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.

    The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
    The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.

    Okay, Vlad.
    Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
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    damn you guys are retarded

    Nice argument shit for brains
    Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subject
    You guys are retarded

    Really sold it fuckwad
    Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.

    Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
    I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheads

    Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy

    Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
    How is Zelensky a piece of shit?

    This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
    Why don't you do some fucking basic research?

    The burden of proof is on you.

    Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.

    Your idol Putin, not so much.
    This is just FS shit right here.
    only the most mouth breathing conservatives can't see it for what it is.

    conservatives with an IQ over 75, like PGOS, can call a spade a spade.
    Yup, that’s what you did. Fuck off you sound like a dumbfuck Lib now.
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    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Bob_C said:

    Smooth brain takes from both of you.

    The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

    Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

    We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

    Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

    Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

    China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

    The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

    If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

    This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

    No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.




    Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

    If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

    Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

    Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

    The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
    Embarrassing venture into the tug.
    I'm 100% right on this topic.

    Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

    Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

    The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

    Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
    You clearly have not listened to any former military personnel talk about Russia’s overall approach to this war. Starting with their initial incursion. Which was encouraged by Joey.
    I have listened to plenty. The consensus is that this had been a disaster for Russia and they are absolutely fucked.


    https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/russian-army-has-lost-up-to-half-of-key-battle-tanks-analysts-estimate-ukraine

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/13/russia-putin-war-ukraine-disaster/

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/russia-has-significantly-more-than-100000-casualties-in-ukraine-milley/

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1736394/putin-troops-russia-casualties-wagner-group-mercenaries-uk-ministry-defence-update
    You quote Milley twice so shame on you. You proved my point with another that it’s not a winnable tank war.

    No one is arguing that Russia and Ukraine are paying a human toll.

    You site an article that concluded with the theme here, that both side will need to negotiate sooner or later. That would be Gen. Milley.
    Of course they will need to negotiate. This isn't ending in nukes.

    However, Ukraine is taking back big swathes of land while Russia is losing thousands to take small single mile gains around the Donetsk/Luhansk lines of control.

    In the last major offensive, Ukraine liberated ALL of Kherson and Kharkiv oblasts. Russian pundits couldn't believe it.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
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    So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

    Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

    Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).

    Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.

    But but DEMOCRACY!





    They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.
    Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?

    Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?
    I am completely okay with the status quo here. The US and NATO do the supplying, the Ukrainians and Russias are doing the dying.

    At no point in the current situation will the US even fathom putting boots on the ground.
    Joe Biden is POTUS. HTH.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,465
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    US advisors are already there

    Arming Ukraine is an act of war

    You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support

    Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.

    Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.

    The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
    The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.

    Okay, Vlad.
    Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
    Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
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