Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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LOL................but we do know that Ukraine is kicking ass because MAPS!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We dont know who blew up that pipelinePurpleThrobber said:
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
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An argument that it is in our best interest because it is in our best interest isn't an argument. HTH.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
It's in our best interest to stop Russia from expanding. HthWestlinnDuck said:
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.WestlinnDuck said:
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQ5678cJU8
Especially when it involves 0 boots on the ground -
Preventing Russia from gobbling up its neighbors to try and reform the USSR is absolutely in America's best interest.WestlinnDuck said:
An argument that it is in our best interest because it is in our best interest isn't an argument. HTH.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
It's in our best interest to stop Russia from expanding. HthWestlinnDuck said:
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.WestlinnDuck said:
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQ5678cJU8
Especially when it involves 0 boots on the ground -
Yes, if you actually looked at the map you can see that Russia tried and failed to take 3 major Ukranian citites - while losing thousands of their best troops in the process.46XiJCAB said:
LOL................but we do know that Ukraine is kicking ass because MAPS!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We dont know who blew up that pipelinePurpleThrobber said:
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
Russia has taken Mariupol and that's about it. Congrats. -
If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots. -
We are scheduled to sent Ukraine brand new Bradleys and M1 tanks. We have already sent state of the art artillery systems. Why wouldn't Putin use tactical nukes if his back is against the wall? Your thread shouldn't start with, "because he won't".UW_Doog_Bot said:If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots.
PS This isn't the 1970s and how did Afghanistan work out for us after the commies left?
PPS There are a lot of things we shouldn't be doing but having anti-American POS that are making a fortune in Ukraine run the show, then we are funding all sorts of sh*t including Ukrainian theftocrats. -
Finally, someone gets itUW_Doog_Bot said:If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots. -
Imagine rooting for an actual Nazi state.
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Russia?Sledog said:Imagine rooting for an actual Nazi state.
Do you realize that Zelensky is Jewish? -
Do you realize they have a shitload of Nazi's in the Ukraine army? Look past whatever Madcow is feeding you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia?Sledog said:Imagine rooting for an actual Nazi state.
Do you realize that Zelensky is Jewish? -
Russia's state sponsored mercenary group is named after a 3rd Reich propagandist and their founder is covered in Nazi tattoos.Sledog said:
Do you realize they have a shitload of Nazi's in the Ukraine army? Look past whatever Madcow is feeding you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia?Sledog said:Imagine rooting for an actual Nazi state.
Do you realize that Zelensky is Jewish?
Russia is invading a neighbor, committing mass war crimes, deporting children, all for the sake of grabbing land and trying to rekindle the glory days.
If anyone in this war is actual Nazis, it is Russia.
You guys are so brainwashed on this topic. Open your eyes. -
Other way around Nazi boy. Azov battalion. look it up. They have more than that. The Ukraine citizens fear them greatly.
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Azov has already been discussed in this thread. How about Wagner group?Sledog said:Other way around Nazi boy. Azov battalion. look it up. They have more than that. The Ukraine citizens fear them greatly.
How about the fact that Russia is the one who is the aggressor and mass killing civilians?
Did you hear about what happened in Bucha? It would make the SS proud -
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1676540620-israel-s-eli-cohen-visits-ukraine-s-bucha-babi-yar
Damn, weird for Isreal to be supporting Nazi
Fucking dumb fuck -
PGOS thinks he's dialed inBob_C said:
LolPostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it. -
Who wants to tell him? And he thinks we're? dumb?PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls. -
You are dumbRoadTrip said:
Who wants to tell him? And he thinks we're? dumb?PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls. -
75-120 is dumb as fuck but you're the "smart" one in this debate? Fuck you'd lick your own ass if you could.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
only the most mouth breathing conservatives can't see it for what it is.46XiJCAB said:
This is just FS shit right here.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much.
conservatives with an IQ over 75, like PGOS, can call a spade a spade. -
That's the joke, retardRoadTrip said:
75-120 is dumb as fuck but you're the "smart" one in this debate? Fuck you'd lick your own ass if you could.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
only the most mouth breathing conservatives can't see it for what it is.46XiJCAB said:
This is just FS shit right here.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much.
conservatives with an IQ over 75, like PGOS, can call a spade a spade.
Thanks for confirming you are indeed dumb as fuck with a sub 75 IQ -
Uh huh. No retard you were right the first time.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
That's the joke, retardRoadTrip said:
75-120 is dumb as fuck but you're the "smart" one in this debate? Fuck you'd lick your own ass if you could.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
only the most mouth breathing conservatives can't see it for what it is.46XiJCAB said:
This is just FS shit right here.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much.
conservatives with an IQ over 75, like PGOS, can call a spade a spade.
Thanks for confirming you are indeed dumb as fuck with a sub 75 IQ -
Were we "defending democracy" in Chile and about 25 other countries over the past 60years?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too. -
Who told you that lie? Zelensky?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.46XiJCAB said:
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic. -
The map?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you that lie? Zelensky?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.46XiJCAB said:
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
What happened in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson? -
No. Totally get this sentimentFire_Marshall_Bill said:
Were we "defending democracy" in Chile and about 25 other countries over the past 60years?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too. -
You have zero understanding of what Russia is doing. They’re slowly grinding down Ukraine because they can. That’s according to experts.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The map?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you that lie? Zelensky?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.46XiJCAB said:
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
What happened in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson?
If you think their plan is some Blitzkrieg type action you’re just not reading any analysis of what’s going on.
The Russians are fine with making slow gains and that’s what they’ve been doing. Keep focusing on maps and cities like Kyiv.
I remember when countries worked to negotiate peace between warring countries. But Joey isn’t interested in that, no matter how many Ukrainians have to die. -
If someone isn’t paying attention to Scott Ritter or David McGregor, then you can pretty much guarantee the next thing they say re UKR is CIA deep state curated talking point drivel.46XiJCAB said:I’ve listened to an interview with Scott Ritter, look him up, and his take? Russia is winning the war. One side has difficult but achievable objectives and the other is living a fantasy of objectives.
There’s so much propaganda coming from both sides it’s hard to distinguish the truth.
Simple fact. Case closed. End of discussion.
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I chortled IRL.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
As for the rest, Citation needed. Ideally from a source not linked to establishment media. TIA
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Another establishment talking poont that remains unsubstantiated.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Bob_C said:
So how much more money and time is required to get this big ROI payoff?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
Time? As long as it takes until Russia fucks off, hopefully for good.
I get the monetary concerns, but this is a country that wasted trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan. As opposed to something like Iraq this is actually a good use of military funds. Again - most of the shit we are supplying them with is yesterday's news like HIMARS, Bradleys, and Abrams
Word on the street is that Putin isn't doing very well, health wise. One way or the other he doesn't survive for much longer after this clusterfuck.
Bravo.
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PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia will pull back from attrition, if anything. They cannot sustain their loss of manpower and equipment. They are losing 1000 soldiers damn near every. Single. Day.WestlinnDuck said:
PGOC won't answer the basic end game question. Stated Ukrainian goal and PGOC's goal is to expel Russia from the Ukraine including Crimea. Russia would use tactical nukes and then take its chances with a Western response. The dementia patient didn't want to take a chance with the Pakistan OBL raid. The dems went haywire over Trump taking out Soleimani. So, the end game with dems in charge is? The military-industrial complex says eternal war.PurpleThrobber said:
Pressing what? Statistics and probability?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
PressingPurpleThrobber said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Open your eyes man. IDGAF about 'surplus'. I DO GAF about some mad man on his deathbed (allegedly) being backed into a corner with a nuclear arsenal of 4500 nukes.
And fuck that bullshit about 'democracy' in Ukraine. Those corrupt fucks invented shady elections. Where do you think Dominion got their practice hacking voting machines?
I suppose you also think COVID start in a wet bat market and the vaccine will prevent transmission and save granny.
If Russia nukes the world go ahead and gloat. It's not going to happen.
Covid 100% came from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Nice try though
You deny that Russia has a nuclear arsenal of at least 4500 warheads?
You are 100% confident that Putin won't launch ANY of them?
Russia will probably hold on to some of the stuff theyve grabbed in the East of Ukraine, maybe even Crimea.
Who knows. But you guys can't see that allowing Russia to expand like some Imperial 18th century power is not the answer
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Fuck that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We dont know who blew up that pipelinePurpleThrobber said:
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
“We” know who did. And Joe Biden ordered the Code Red.
