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100%. Donetsk and Luhansk are mostly Russian speakers and have strong ties to Russia.Bob_C said:
Eastern Ukraine had some separatists emerge in 2014, that wanted independence from Kiev, no?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No, the end game seems clear to me. Ukraine wants Russia OUT of places it wasn't in 2014.WestlinnDuck said:
So, no end game, just eternal war and the continued destruction of Ukraine while we "save it".PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We will see. Right now, he has been winning and reclaiming territory. Insanely.WestlinnDuck said:
Your problem is that Zelensky is going to nix any peaceful settlement as long as the US/NATO money is rolling in. I guarantee that Trump or DeSantis would be cutting a deal yesterday and Zelensky would be informed of the result.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No, I'm absolutely not advocating for a nuclear exchange for Russia. That's a bad scenario for everyone.WestlinnDuck said:
You have completely over estimated the Russian threat to Europe. There is zero threat to the US. So, you are supporting breaking the Russian military by kicking them out of the Ukraine and restoring the Crimea to Ukraine. And you give me "I don't think Russia is going to resort to that". And you are prepared to have a full scale nuclear exchange with Russia because that's in our best interest. It's like a religion with you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I don't think Russia is going to resort to that. Wouldn't they have already done that to blow up Ukrainian fortresses like Vuhledar and Bahkmut?WestlinnDuck said:
Yeah, and I ask you would you respond to tactical nuke strikes against the Ukraine by Russia? Backing Putin into a corner is how you FAFO.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What other scenarios are there?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you that was the only scenario?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I don't specifically listen to one source on a subject like this. That is how you end up denying Russian losses by looking at a picture of blown up Russian tanks and commenting it can't be, they are orange.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
In order for WW3 to get kicked off, China would need to make a move on Taiwan, prompting the US, Japan, South Korea, the Phillipines and friends to declare war on China.
I don't see that happening, do you?
Because WW3 isn't NATO and the US versus Russia. That is called a curb stomping.
And a nuclear exchange between Russia and the US wouldn't be WW3 either IMO. That would be the end of the world.
If Russian does use tactical nuclear strikes, it is because they can't get it done any other way - ever. I don't think they will, but if they do...I'm honestly not sure. What do you think would happen after that?
FWIW I think the borders should go back to what they were in 2014. Let Russia keep Crimea and have the phony annexed states of DPR and LPR.
If there is a way for Ukraine to militarily take back Crimea and Donestk/Luhansk that doesn't result in tactical nukes by Russia then great, but I think at that point Putin might just be unhinged enough to launch a few nukes to see what happens. I don't want that.
Europe (and Obama) seemed fine with that at the time, which IMO was a mistake, but it is what it is. Trump called it what it is - violent expansionism - to his credit but obviously was skeptical of the Burisma situation.
Taking back Crimea is much more difficult than someplace like Kherson or the Kharkiv suburbs, it's a totally different type of offensive.
Crimea also seemed fine with the Russian takeover. They let Russia waltz in back in 2014.
If you haven't noticed, they've been doing that. Russia has been in retreat. Their current offensives have been mostly failures.
Ukraine will be launching offensives shortly to drive Russia out of place like Southern Ukraine.
Let's see what happens.
I don't, however, think Ukraine wants to take back the DPR and LPR, for instance.
Russia did send in its troops though to take control of the situation.
I don't think Ukraine wants to do an offensive in the DPR and LPR. I think the status quo there is what it is. -
So why was Zelensky engaged in a war with them for the last 8 years?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
100%. Donetsk and Luhansk are mostly Russian speakers and have strong ties to Russia.Bob_C said:
Eastern Ukraine had some separatists emerge in 2014, that wanted independence from Kiev, no?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No, the end game seems clear to me. Ukraine wants Russia OUT of places it wasn't in 2014.WestlinnDuck said:
So, no end game, just eternal war and the continued destruction of Ukraine while we "save it".PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We will see. Right now, he has been winning and reclaiming territory. Insanely.WestlinnDuck said:
Your problem is that Zelensky is going to nix any peaceful settlement as long as the US/NATO money is rolling in. I guarantee that Trump or DeSantis would be cutting a deal yesterday and Zelensky would be informed of the result.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No, I'm absolutely not advocating for a nuclear exchange for Russia. That's a bad scenario for everyone.WestlinnDuck said:
You have completely over estimated the Russian threat to Europe. There is zero threat to the US. So, you are supporting breaking the Russian military by kicking them out of the Ukraine and restoring the Crimea to Ukraine. And you give me "I don't think Russia is going to resort to that". And you are prepared to have a full scale nuclear exchange with Russia because that's in our best interest. It's like a religion with you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I don't think Russia is going to resort to that. Wouldn't they have already done that to blow up Ukrainian fortresses like Vuhledar and Bahkmut?WestlinnDuck said:
Yeah, and I ask you would you respond to tactical nuke strikes against the Ukraine by Russia? Backing Putin into a corner is how you FAFO.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What other scenarios are there?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you that was the only scenario?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I don't specifically listen to one source on a subject like this. That is how you end up denying Russian losses by looking at a picture of blown up Russian tanks and commenting it can't be, they are orange.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
In order for WW3 to get kicked off, China would need to make a move on Taiwan, prompting the US, Japan, South Korea, the Phillipines and friends to declare war on China.
I don't see that happening, do you?
Because WW3 isn't NATO and the US versus Russia. That is called a curb stomping.
And a nuclear exchange between Russia and the US wouldn't be WW3 either IMO. That would be the end of the world.
If Russian does use tactical nuclear strikes, it is because they can't get it done any other way - ever. I don't think they will, but if they do...I'm honestly not sure. What do you think would happen after that?
FWIW I think the borders should go back to what they were in 2014. Let Russia keep Crimea and have the phony annexed states of DPR and LPR.
If there is a way for Ukraine to militarily take back Crimea and Donestk/Luhansk that doesn't result in tactical nukes by Russia then great, but I think at that point Putin might just be unhinged enough to launch a few nukes to see what happens. I don't want that.
Europe (and Obama) seemed fine with that at the time, which IMO was a mistake, but it is what it is. Trump called it what it is - violent expansionism - to his credit but obviously was skeptical of the Burisma situation.
Taking back Crimea is much more difficult than someplace like Kherson or the Kharkiv suburbs, it's a totally different type of offensive.
Crimea also seemed fine with the Russian takeover. They let Russia waltz in back in 2014.
If you haven't noticed, they've been doing that. Russia has been in retreat. Their current offensives have been mostly failures.
Ukraine will be launching offensives shortly to drive Russia out of place like Southern Ukraine.
Let's see what happens.
I don't, however, think Ukraine wants to take back the DPR and LPR, for instance.
Russia did send in its troops though to take control of the situation.
I don't think Ukraine wants to do an offensive in the DPR and LPR. I think the status quo there is what it is. -
Osama Bin Laden and I had a hearty chuckle in the media room.PostGameOrangeSlices said:pawz said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Neither does Putin.WestlinnDuck said:
PGOS also didn't want to deal with my hypothetical of Putin being backed into a corner and then threatening to use tactical nukes and if the US responded by using tactical nukes in Russian Ukraine that Russia would nuke San Francisco. Like I said, the US people don't want to play that game of chicken.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
The US knows all of his hiding spots and have bunker buster bomb to take Putin out quickly.
This would effectively be suicide for Putin, and I don't think he is suicidal. He still has an iron grip on the country, as embarrassing as the Special Military Operation is. He has made sure of that and absolutely has consolidated his power in a way not even Saddam could in Iraq.
I just don't see it happening, but I understand that Russian nukes (rusty or not) are problematic in geopolitics. It is their trump card, I just don't think they want to end Russia as they know it.
Holy fuckall.
You don't think that's the case? -
Because the LPR and DPR want all of Luhansk and Donetsk. They were pushing for more land.Bob_C said:
So why was Zelensky engaged in a war with them for the last 8 years?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
100%. Donetsk and Luhansk are mostly Russian speakers and have strong ties to Russia.Bob_C said:
Eastern Ukraine had some separatists emerge in 2014, that wanted independence from Kiev, no?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No, the end game seems clear to me. Ukraine wants Russia OUT of places it wasn't in 2014.WestlinnDuck said:
So, no end game, just eternal war and the continued destruction of Ukraine while we "save it".PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We will see. Right now, he has been winning and reclaiming territory. Insanely.WestlinnDuck said:
Your problem is that Zelensky is going to nix any peaceful settlement as long as the US/NATO money is rolling in. I guarantee that Trump or DeSantis would be cutting a deal yesterday and Zelensky would be informed of the result.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No, I'm absolutely not advocating for a nuclear exchange for Russia. That's a bad scenario for everyone.WestlinnDuck said:
You have completely over estimated the Russian threat to Europe. There is zero threat to the US. So, you are supporting breaking the Russian military by kicking them out of the Ukraine and restoring the Crimea to Ukraine. And you give me "I don't think Russia is going to resort to that". And you are prepared to have a full scale nuclear exchange with Russia because that's in our best interest. It's like a religion with you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I don't think Russia is going to resort to that. Wouldn't they have already done that to blow up Ukrainian fortresses like Vuhledar and Bahkmut?WestlinnDuck said:
Yeah, and I ask you would you respond to tactical nuke strikes against the Ukraine by Russia? Backing Putin into a corner is how you FAFO.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What other scenarios are there?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you that was the only scenario?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I don't specifically listen to one source on a subject like this. That is how you end up denying Russian losses by looking at a picture of blown up Russian tanks and commenting it can't be, they are orange.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
In order for WW3 to get kicked off, China would need to make a move on Taiwan, prompting the US, Japan, South Korea, the Phillipines and friends to declare war on China.
I don't see that happening, do you?
Because WW3 isn't NATO and the US versus Russia. That is called a curb stomping.
And a nuclear exchange between Russia and the US wouldn't be WW3 either IMO. That would be the end of the world.
If Russian does use tactical nuclear strikes, it is because they can't get it done any other way - ever. I don't think they will, but if they do...I'm honestly not sure. What do you think would happen after that?
FWIW I think the borders should go back to what they were in 2014. Let Russia keep Crimea and have the phony annexed states of DPR and LPR.
If there is a way for Ukraine to militarily take back Crimea and Donestk/Luhansk that doesn't result in tactical nukes by Russia then great, but I think at that point Putin might just be unhinged enough to launch a few nukes to see what happens. I don't want that.
Europe (and Obama) seemed fine with that at the time, which IMO was a mistake, but it is what it is. Trump called it what it is - violent expansionism - to his credit but obviously was skeptical of the Burisma situation.
Taking back Crimea is much more difficult than someplace like Kherson or the Kharkiv suburbs, it's a totally different type of offensive.
Crimea also seemed fine with the Russian takeover. They let Russia waltz in back in 2014.
If you haven't noticed, they've been doing that. Russia has been in retreat. Their current offensives have been mostly failures.
Ukraine will be launching offensives shortly to drive Russia out of place like Southern Ukraine.
Let's see what happens.
I don't, however, think Ukraine wants to take back the DPR and LPR, for instance.
Russia did send in its troops though to take control of the situation.
I don't think Ukraine wants to do an offensive in the DPR and LPR. I think the status quo there is what it is. -
This is precious stuff right here.PostGameOrangeSlices said:pawz said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Neither does Putin.WestlinnDuck said:
PGOS also didn't want to deal with my hypothetical of Putin being backed into a corner and then threatening to use tactical nukes and if the US responded by using tactical nukes in Russian Ukraine that Russia would nuke San Francisco. Like I said, the US people don't want to play that game of chicken.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
The US knows all of his hiding spots and have bunker buster bomb to take Putin out quickly.
This would effectively be suicide for Putin, and I don't think he is suicidal. He still has an iron grip on the country, as embarrassing as the Special Military Operation is. He has made sure of that and absolutely has consolidated his power in a way not even Saddam could in Iraq.
I just don't see it happening, but I understand that Russian nukes (rusty or not) are problematic in geopolitics. It is their trump card, I just don't think they want to end Russia as they know it.
Holy fuckall.
You don't think that's the case? -
If nukes start flying 60% of the US is dead in a month. London, NYC, DC are uninhabitable for 1000 years.
PGOS is full steam ahead.
https://youtu.be/jj8WDT9oEt8 -
False, it's well documented WW3 began when Trump killed Salami. Or it was when he moved the embassy to Jerusalem. I can't remember, I just know Trump started it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that? -
PGOS just skates past everything and anything that flies in the face of the narrative he’s 1000% bought into.
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No, I dont. I give answers. You just dont like my opinion46XiJCAB said:PGOS just skates past everything and anything that flies in the face of the narrative he’s 1000% bought into.
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Trump blowing up Salami was an all time badass momentDoogles said:
False, it's well documented WW3 began when Trump killed Salami. Or it was when he moved the embassy to Jerusalem. I can't remember, I just know Trump started it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that? -
It's easier to embed spies in Russia than it is in Al Qaeda, for obvious reasons.pawz said:
Osama Bin Laden and I had a hearty chuckle in the media room.PostGameOrangeSlices said:pawz said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Neither does Putin.WestlinnDuck said:
PGOS also didn't want to deal with my hypothetical of Putin being backed into a corner and then threatening to use tactical nukes and if the US responded by using tactical nukes in Russian Ukraine that Russia would nuke San Francisco. Like I said, the US people don't want to play that game of chicken.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
The US knows all of his hiding spots and have bunker buster bomb to take Putin out quickly.
This would effectively be suicide for Putin, and I don't think he is suicidal. He still has an iron grip on the country, as embarrassing as the Special Military Operation is. He has made sure of that and absolutely has consolidated his power in a way not even Saddam could in Iraq.
I just don't see it happening, but I understand that Russian nukes (rusty or not) are problematic in geopolitics. It is their trump card, I just don't think they want to end Russia as they know it.
Holy fuckall.
You don't think that's the case?
US intelligence in Russia is phenomenal -
Oh, there's a lot of that in this thread.46XiJCAB said:PGOS just skates past everything and anything that flies in the face of the narrative he’s 1000% bought into.
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Xi and Putin meet.
“They’re not best friends!”
Blinken and Zelensky comment on China potentially providing lethal aid to Putin.
“China is already providing lethal aid, chips!”
US Intelligence worried about closer ties between Russia and China and the potential shift in how China views the war.
“China called for a ceasefire,”
I could go on. When Biden says in order to save “DeMoCrAcY” in Ukraine the US needs to be all in. Which is why I’m calling for US Troops to assist in that effort. That’s when PGOS will finally see the forest.
PGOS. Fantasize all you want but without US Troops, Ukraine it’s not winning this War.
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PostGameOrangeSlices said:
It's easier to embed spies in Russia than it is in Al Qaeda, for obvious reasons.pawz said:
Osama Bin Laden and I had a hearty chuckle in the media room.PostGameOrangeSlices said:pawz said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Neither does Putin.WestlinnDuck said:
PGOS also didn't want to deal with my hypothetical of Putin being backed into a corner and then threatening to use tactical nukes and if the US responded by using tactical nukes in Russian Ukraine that Russia would nuke San Francisco. Like I said, the US people don't want to play that game of chicken.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
The US knows all of his hiding spots and have bunker buster bomb to take Putin out quickly.
This would effectively be suicide for Putin, and I don't think he is suicidal. He still has an iron grip on the country, as embarrassing as the Special Military Operation is. He has made sure of that and absolutely has consolidated his power in a way not even Saddam could in Iraq.
I just don't see it happening, but I understand that Russian nukes (rusty or not) are problematic in geopolitics. It is their trump card, I just don't think they want to end Russia as they know it.
Holy fuckall.
You don't think that's the case?
US intelligence in Russia is phenomenal
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Sounds like we should LIFPO46XiJCAB said:Xi and Putin meet.
“They’re not best friends!”
Blinken and Zelensky comment on China potentially providing lethal aid to Putin.
“China is already providing lethal aid, chips!”
US Intelligence worried about closer ties between Russia and China and the potential shift in how China views the war.
“China called for a ceasefire,”
I could go on. When Biden says in order to save “DeMoCrAcY” in Ukraine the US needs to be all in. Which is why I’m calling for US Troops to assist in that effort. That’s when PGOS will finally see the forest.
PGOS. Fantasize all you want but without US Troops, Ukraine it’s not winning this War. -
Imagine China calling for a ceasefire? and not the leader of the free world. Give it some thought.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sounds like we should LIFPO46XiJCAB said:Xi and Putin meet.
“They’re not best friends!”
Blinken and Zelensky comment on China potentially providing lethal aid to Putin.
“China is already providing lethal aid, chips!”
US Intelligence worried about closer ties between Russia and China and the potential shift in how China views the war.
“China called for a ceasefire,”
I could go on. When Biden says in order to save “DeMoCrAcY” in Ukraine the US needs to be all in. Which is why I’m calling for US Troops to assist in that effort. That’s when PGOS will finally see the forest.
PGOS. Fantasize all you want but without US Troops, Ukraine it’s not winning this War. -
Why should Ukraine, who is backed by the leader or the free world, want a ceasefire? They took back tons of territory and want to take back the remainder.46XiJCAB said:
Imagine China calling for a ceasefire? and not the leader of the free world. Give it some thought.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sounds like we should LIFPO46XiJCAB said:Xi and Putin meet.
“They’re not best friends!”
Blinken and Zelensky comment on China potentially providing lethal aid to Putin.
“China is already providing lethal aid, chips!”
US Intelligence worried about closer ties between Russia and China and the potential shift in how China views the war.
“China called for a ceasefire,”
I could go on. When Biden says in order to save “DeMoCrAcY” in Ukraine the US needs to be all in. Which is why I’m calling for US Troops to assist in that effort. That’s when PGOS will finally see the forest.
PGOS. Fantasize all you want but without US Troops, Ukraine it’s not winning this War.
A ceasefire helps no one but Russia. Putin could end this war today by withdrawing to 2014 lines -
Never mind all of the raped, tortured and murdered children. We got Putin on the run!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why should Ukraine, who is backed by the leader or the free world, want a ceasefire? They took back tons of territory and want to take back the remainder.46XiJCAB said:
Imagine China calling for a ceasefire? and not the leader of the free world. Give it some thought.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sounds like we should LIFPO46XiJCAB said:Xi and Putin meet.
“They’re not best friends!”
Blinken and Zelensky comment on China potentially providing lethal aid to Putin.
“China is already providing lethal aid, chips!”
US Intelligence worried about closer ties between Russia and China and the potential shift in how China views the war.
“China called for a ceasefire,”
I could go on. When Biden says in order to save “DeMoCrAcY” in Ukraine the US needs to be all in. Which is why I’m calling for US Troops to assist in that effort. That’s when PGOS will finally see the forest.
PGOS. Fantasize all you want but without US Troops, Ukraine it’s not winning this War.
A ceasefire helps no one but Russia. Putin could end this war today by withdrawing to 2014 lines
JFC. It’s the perfect time. You set the terms of his withdrawal and the lines. But that’s not what Joey and the MIC want so you stay on the train to fantasyland.
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So what? Why do we have to deal with everything? Other than it makes money for crooked politicians and Boeing and GaytheonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yes, it is. He invaded. He has invaded other countries in the past. His ill disciplined troops routinely rape and torture civilians.PurpleThrobber said:
It's not about Putin, you dumb motherfucker. No matter how many times you say it, it's not.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Stop apologizing for Putin.pawz said:
Also first, right and impeached asking questions about that shit hole we just dropped $100B into.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Trump was still throwing around money at things like Afghanistan. He wasnt exactly an isolationist.RaceBannon said:
That's why the cronies were desperate to get rid of Trump or any American president that puts America firstPostGameOrangeSlices said:
It's already here. US and its cronies run the world. Better to live here than say...RussiaPurpleThrobber said:
Fuck the New World Order.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The discussion on this topic has definitely been better the longer the thread has gone on.RoadTrip said:PGOS, I think your head and intentions are in the right place regarding this conflict and I understand your distrust of Russia. I can't speak for the others here but I don't believe anyone supports Russia or their war with Ukraine. I don't trust our? own government or any European member of NATO either. If they were so concerned about Russian advancement beyond Ukraine, then they should be all in against Russia instead of relying upon our? tax dollars. We? seem to care a whole lot more about Ukrainian borders than our own. We? are ignoring our own people and the problems at home at the expense of a criminally corrupt Zelensky and his government.
Like I said earlier, show me a non corrupt country...it just doesnt exist. I get your guy's distrust of Nato, the US, and especially Biden.
The being said, I do think the powers that be are making an example out of Russia, and at the same time sending a clear message to China. That message is that wars over territory are a thing of the past, this is the New World Order, fuck around and find out.
At the same time, Russia has and is still committing horrific war crimes. And its not just one offs here and there like Tiger Force in Vietnam, it's systemic and everywhere they touch tortured and killed civilians pay the price.
If Ukraine wants to fight and die, I say let them. You guys seem to agree, its the specifics of US backing we disagree on
That's the point of all this. Fuck NWO, fuck global corporatism. Fuck Davos. Fuck fuck fuck. And fuck anyone who supports that bullshit.
We don't want any fucking New World Order.
That was the campaign - elect Biden so the world respects us again!!!!
Fuck that. Better to be feared
He was first and right on China, now even the Dems are on his page there.
He was also first and right on NATO needing to pull their weight.
War against Russia was always the plan. If not in Syria, then in Ukraine.
Not now, not then was there a good reason for it. Hence why the West, errr NWO, had to provoke it into being.
Then they sold you the idea Putin is literally Hitler. They didn't expect you to ask questions, and they were right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media is a 1988 book by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. It argues that the mass communication media of the U.S. "are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function, by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and without overt coercion", by means of the propaganda model of communication.[1] The title refers to consent of the governed, and derives from the phrase "the manufacture of consent" used by Walter Lippmann in Public Opinion (1922).[2] The book was honored with the Orwell Award.
A 2002 revision takes account of developments such as the fall of the Soviet Union. A 2009 interview with the authors notes the effects of the internet on the propaganda model.[3]
Background
Origins
Chomsky credits the origin of the book to the impetus of Alex Carey, the Australian social psychologist, to whom Herman and Chomsky dedicated the book.[4] The book was greatly inspired by Herman's earlier financial research. Since Herman's contribution to the book was so important, Chomsky insisted on putting Herman's name in front of his name, contrary to the pair’s habit of alphabetic listing. Herman and Chomsky were close friends for fifty years.[5]
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Propaganda model of communication
Main article: Propaganda model
The book introduced the propaganda model of communication, which is still developing today.
The propaganda model for the manufacture of public consent describes five editorially distorting filters, which are said to impact reporting of news in mass communications media. These five filters of editorial bias are:
Size, ownership, and profit orientation: The dominant mass-media outlets are large profit-based operations, and therefore they must cater to the financial interests of the owners such as corporations and controlling investors. The size of a media company is a consequence of the investment capital required for the mass-communications technology required to reach a mass audience of viewers, listeners, and readers.
The advertising license to do business: Since the majority of the revenue of major media outlets derives from advertising (not from sales or subscriptions), advertisers have acquired a "de facto licensing authority."[11] Media outlets are not commercially viable without the support of advertisers. News media must therefore cater to the political prejudices and economic desires of their advertisers. This has weakened the working class press, for example, and also helps explain the attrition in the number of newspapers.
Sourcing mass media news: Herman and Chomsky argue that "the large bureaucracies of the powerful subsidize the mass media, and gain special access [to the news], by their contribution to reducing the media's costs of acquiring [...] and producing, news. The large entities that provide this subsidy become 'routine' news sources and have privileged access to the gates. Non-routine sources must struggle for access, and may be ignored by the arbitrary decision of the gatekeepers." Editorial distortion is aggravated by the news media's dependence upon private and governmental news sources. If a given newspaper, television station, magazine, etc., incurs disfavor from the sources, it is subtly excluded from access to information. Consequently, it loses readers or viewers, and ultimately, advertisers. To minimize such financial danger, news media businesses editorially distort their reporting to favor government and corporate policies in order to stay in business.[12][clarification needed]
Flak and the enforcers: "Flak" refers to negative responses to a media statement or program (e.g. letters, complaints, lawsuits, or legislative actions). Flak can be expensive to the media, either due to loss of advertising revenue, or due to the costs of legal defense or defense of the media outlet's public image. Flak can be organized by powerful, private influence groups (e.g. think tanks). The prospect of eliciting flak can be a deterrent to the reporting of certain kinds of facts or opinions.[12]
Anti-communism/war on terror: Anti-communism was included as a filter in the original 1988 edition of the book, but Chomsky argues that since the end of the Cold War (1945–91) anticommunism was replaced by the "war on terror" as the major social control mechanism.[13][clarification needed]
The Propaganda model of communication and its influence over major media organizations
The propaganda model describes the major pillars of society (the public domain, business firms, media organizations, governments etc.) as first and foremost, profit-seekers.[14] To fully consider the effects of the propaganda model, a tiered diagram can be drawn. Due to the impressionable and exploitative nature of major media organizations including broadcast media, print media, and 21st century social media, media organizations are placed at the bottom. As the model scales upward, it pans to the larger organizations who are financially capable of controlling advertising licenses, lawsuits, or selling environments.
The first level displays the public domain in which prominent ideologies within the masses can influence the intentions of mass media. The second level pertaining to the business firms accounts for the media’s source of information[15] as business firms are wealthy enough to supply information to media organizations while maintaining control over where advertisers can sell their advertisements and stories. The final layer, the governments of the major global powers, are the wealthiest subgroup of the pillars of society. Having the most financial wealth and organizational power, media organizations are most dependent on government structures for financial stability and political direction.
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We just need x more dollars and y more time, then the real shredding begins. Don’t ask what those amounts are though.PurpleThrobber said: -
Rest of the tweet:PurpleThrobber said:
We get no footage, no detailed updates, no graphs explaining how the war is going, who has control of what land, etc.
All we get is Biden fake air raid sirens and one famous actor or politician a day happily prancing around Kiev with Zelenskyy with no helmets or body protection offering him 100s of billion of dollars.
Or, Zelenskyy jet setting around the world to walk red carpets, get praised by the global elite, and pose for national magazine covers.
If you question this - you're called a Putin puppet.
We taxpaying citizens are sick and damn tired of these blatant lies from these evil, globalist worms.
Call us whatever names you want - we know bullshit when we see it.
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Putins already threatened the use of nukes. Get a clue.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Neither does Putin.WestlinnDuck said:
PGOS also didn't want to deal with my hypothetical of Putin being backed into a corner and then threatening to use tactical nukes and if the US responded by using tactical nukes in Russian Ukraine that Russia would nuke San Francisco. Like I said, the US people don't want to play that game of chicken.46XiJCAB said:
Nope. You claim it’s far away. Who told you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Who told you that is is on the horizon?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you WWIII is far from being started?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) WW3 is far from startedSledog said:
I'm not the nut in this discussion. There is nothing to Ukraine worth starting WWIII. You're gargling Biden balls though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
ChristSledog said:
Nazi's and biolabs. Russians hate Nazi's. Biolabs on your border some run by the Bidens, wouldn't be allowed near our borders either. But you do you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Why did Putin invade Ukraine?RaceBannon said:
JFCPostGameOrangeSlices said:
So Hunter making millions is why Putin invaded?RaceBannon said:I never said anything about a trap by the way. And the Biden administration didn't exist when Trump was impeached
but still
The perma government pulled the strings and now you're all dancing to the tune. Trump had to go to get Joe out of the basement and in front of the green screen. That's a fact. Ukraine is a bank for the corrupt.
Can't wait for you guys to say the lap top was Putin disinformation. Or that all those kids like Hunter making millions from Ukraine energy firms actually earned it
You still fail to see that the reason for this invasion is because Putin wanted control of Ukraine. That's it. It's simple. He wants more land and resources.
He didnt orchestrate this from some 5D perma government chess fork by the Deep State
Wake up sometime
Or don't
Don't put words on me I didn't say
Speaking of waking up
I was asking Race, not you. You're a fucking nut
2) I have never once in my life "gargled Biden's balls"
Somehow, in your eyes calling Putin out for a massive blunder is sacrilegious. Why is that?
The US knows all of his hiding spots and have bunker buster bomb to take Putin out quickly.
This would effectively be suicide for Putin, and I don't think he is suicidal. He still has an iron grip on the country, as embarrassing as the Special Military Operation is. He has made sure of that and absolutely has consolidated his power in a way not even Saddam could in Iraq.
I just don't see it happening, but I understand that Russian nukes (rusty or not) are problematic in geopolitics. It is their trump card, I just don't think they want to end Russia as they know it. -
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The Russian was probably a convict forced to go forward or be sledgehammered. Is there anything dumber than a Russian? I doubt it.
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Democrat.AOG said:The Russian was probably a convict forced to go forward or be sledgehammered. Is there anything dumber than a Russian? I doubt it.
https://youtu.be/ppUg0jc1EIU
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