This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory.
The US is an imperialist nation?
What anti-us communist drivel is this shit?
If we were actually imperialist we would have nuked Moscow in 1946 and been literally ruling the world for 70+ years as the sole super power while enslaving anyone not American and receiving tribute instead of spending trillions on foreign aid.
Get the actual fuck outta here.
The imperialists didn't get their own guysm in there until after the Nov '63 coup.
Hope this helps.
You guysm don't know what the fuck imperialism is if you think that's what the US is up to. The US has national interests like any nation does.
It's usually the card of neo fascists to say that to conflate and justify their actual imperialism. You know, like the CCP.
When the US starts going back to boots on ground invasion followed by colonists we can talk. Until then FO back to Russian Television or the Venezuelan State Broadcast with that shit.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria.
Don't forget what we do for the peoples of Yemen, though not technically boots on the ground.
We came, we saw, we Libya. The public slave auctions are a nice touch.
Where are the colonists @pawz ? Why did we give up our "colonies"? Why did we send money there instead of extracting all the wealth?
How Russia annexed Crimea? That's imperialism.
If the US was imperialist we could annex all of Canada tomorrow(and a bunch more countries to boot) and no one could do shit about it. So then, if we are in fact imperialists, why don't we?
We currently occupy 1/3rd of Syria. The oil 1/3rd.
Russia likely wouldn't have annexed Crimea had their not been a western-backed coup of UKR. Those two events are absolutely related. Putin is literally Hitler.
What makes you think we don't effectively control Canada? Remember what caused an end to the Trucker Strike? Joey placed a call to Justin. The End.
We? Could occupy 2/3rds of the world with little to no resistance. And not pay anyone for the oil. Hth.
And Putin's invasions of many of the rest of his neighbors? Keep buying the RT agitprop.
Next you'll tell me if the US hadn't sailed through the straight of Malacca the Chinese wouldn't have needed to build all those islands in the south China sea. Keep repeating the ridiculous gaslights.
Don't recall us sending Syria any reimbursements for their oil.
RT who?
I'm no fan of China. One of my biggest concerns for FAFO in UKR is China thinking they have a greenlight to do what they want. Which will require a response. A response that would have been orders of magnitude easier WITH Russia, than against. But here we are.
This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory.
The US is an imperialist nation?
What anti-us communist drivel is this shit?
If we were actually imperialist we would have nuked Moscow in 1946 and been literally ruling the world for 70+ years as the sole super power while enslaving anyone not American and receiving tribute instead of spending trillions on foreign aid.
Get the actual fuck outta here.
The imperialists didn't get their own guysm in there until after the Nov '63 coup.
Hope this helps.
You guysm don't know what the fuck imperialism is if you think that's what the US is up to. The US has national interests like any nation does.
It's usually the card of neo fascists to say that to conflate and justify their actual imperialism. You know, like the CCP.
When the US starts going back to boots on ground invasion followed by colonists we can talk. Until then FO back to Russian Television or the Venezuelan State Broadcast with that shit.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria.
Don't forget what we do for the peoples of Yemen, though not technically boots on the ground.
We came, we saw, we Libya. The public slave auctions are a nice touch.
Where are the colonists @pawz ? Why did we give up our "colonies"? Why did we send money there instead of extracting all the wealth?
How Russia annexed Crimea? That's imperialism.
If the US was imperialist we could annex all of Canada tomorrow(and a bunch more countries to boot) and no one could do shit about it. So then, if we are in fact imperialists, why don't we?
We currently occupy 1/3rd of Syria. The oil 1/3rd.
Russia likely wouldn't have annexed Crimea had their not been a western-backed coup of UKR. Those two events are absolutely related. Putin is literally Hitler.
What makes you think we don't effectively control Canada? Remember what caused an end to the Trucker Strike? Joey placed a call to Justin. The End.
We? Could occupy 2/3rds of the world with little to no resistance. And not pay anyone for the oil. Hth.
And Putin's invasions of many of the rest of his neighbors? Keep buying the RT agitprop.
Next you'll tell me if the US hadn't sailed through the straight of Malacca the Chinese wouldn't have needed to build all those islands in the south China sea. Keep repeating the ridiculous gaslights.
We did real well in South Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. And it was no trouble at all.
Because we have stupid classical liberal ideas about the value of human life and the universality of human rights.
We did just fine cutting Mexico in half, taking Hawaii, and raping the Phillipines back when we were actually imperialists.
Start lining up those previous countries into concentration camps and going full boer war things probably change. Hypotheticals and all.
PGOS, I think your head and intentions are in the right place regarding this conflict and I understand your distrust of Russia. I can't speak for the others here but I don't believe anyone supports Russia or their war with Ukraine. I don't trust our? own government or any European member of NATO either. If they were so concerned about Russian advancement beyond Ukraine, then they should be all in against Russia instead of relying upon our? tax dollars. We? seem to care a whole lot more about Ukrainian borders than our own. We? are ignoring our own people and the problems at home at the expense of a criminally corrupt Zelensky and his government.
The discussion on this topic has definitely been better the longer the thread has gone on.
Like I said earlier, show me a non corrupt country...it just doesnt exist. I get your guy's distrust of Nato, the US, and especially Biden.
The being said, I do think the powers that be are making an example out of Russia, and at the same time sending a clear message to China. That message is that wars over territory are a thing of the past, this is the New World Order, fuck around and find out.
At the same time, Russia has and is still committing horrific war crimes. And its not just one offs here and there like Tiger Force in Vietnam, it's systemic and everywhere they touch tortured and killed civilians pay the price.
If Ukraine wants to fight and die, I say let them. You guys seem to agree, its the specifics of US backing we disagree on
Fuck the New World Order.
That's the point of all this. Fuck NWO, fuck global corporatism. Fuck Davos. Fuck fuck fuck. And fuck anyone who supports that bullshit.
We don't want any fucking New World Order.
It's already here. US and its cronies run the world. Better to live here than say...Russia
That's why the cronies were desperate to get rid of Trump or any American president that puts America first
That was the campaign - elect Biden so the world respects us again!!!!
Fuck that. Better to be feared
Agree. Why it's great that Russia just got kicked in the nuts by American hardware donated out of the goodwill bin.
I just laughed at the thought that any country fears what Joe is doing in Ukraine
When you guys decide if Russia is pathetic or a threat let me know
I thought Ukraine was defending themselves
Fog of war
You better believe that the CCP just seriously recalibrated their plans to take Taiwan. Both them and the Russians thought they were near peer or maybe even better than the US after the Afghanistan debacle. It happens when you believe your own propaganda.
Instead, a few dozen himars parked on an island with a patriot system all of a sudden seems a bit more daunting for an armored invasion.
Has nothing to do with "The Big Guy" who would sell the CCP the plans to invade.
Has everything to do with the fact that despite all of the political gerrymandering of the military the US is still light years ahead of anything our enemies can currently muster.
I've also been on my own side in all of this so keep @PostGameOrangeSlices out of my mouth.
True. You and Peter Zeihan.
PZ is interesting to listen to, but I'm not yet buying what he's selling. I can't yet put my finger on it despite many attempts.
LIPO
PZ is consolidating what a bunch of China analysts have been saying for years. Literally, he is plagiarizing many of the same people I've been plagiarizm for longer. And/or coming to the same conclusions.
He's liberal + pro many world Order things I'm obviously not for anyone not named @WestlinnDuck
He's good, I like how concisely he summarizes and effectively communicates ideas but I disagree with a lot of his shit and would give him a B+ overall.
I noticed, obviously. If you care to share, who are the main contributors for plagiarizms?
This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory.
The US is an imperialist nation?
What anti-us communist drivel is this shit?
If we were actually imperialist we would have nuked Moscow in 1946 and been literally ruling the world for 70+ years as the sole super power while enslaving anyone not American and receiving tribute instead of spending trillions on foreign aid.
Get the actual fuck outta here.
The imperialists didn't get their own guysm in there until after the Nov '63 coup.
Hope this helps.
You guysm don't know what the fuck imperialism is if you think that's what the US is up to. The US has national interests like any nation does.
It's usually the card of neo fascists to say that to conflate and justify their actual imperialism. You know, like the CCP.
When the US starts going back to boots on ground invasion followed by colonists we can talk. Until then FO back to Russian Television or the Venezuelan State Broadcast with that shit.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria.
Don't forget what we do for the peoples of Yemen, though not technically boots on the ground.
We came, we saw, we Libya. The public slave auctions are a nice touch.
Where are the colonists @pawz ? Why did we give up our "colonies"? Why did we send money there instead of extracting all the wealth?
How Russia annexed Crimea? That's imperialism.
If the US was imperialist we could annex all of Canada tomorrow(and a bunch more countries to boot) and no one could do shit about it. So then, if we are in fact imperialists, why don't we?
We currently occupy 1/3rd of Syria. The oil 1/3rd.
This is a blantant fucking lie just like your "Russia tactically retreated on purpose" lie.
I'm glad America is running the world but America is running the world
Smarter than the Soviets. More along Macedonian lines where we seeded democracy and the American way of life around the world
NATO and America never standing down since WW2 is imperialistic
But smoother. Like our government knows giving the people a good living gets you a compliant people
I'm also a realist. It's a pretty good system all in all and fairly unique in world history
Except we? Did.
We took apart the military and went home after WW2 instead of rolling onto Moscow.
We very easily could have. We had ninety fucking nine aircraft carriers and twelve fucking million troops with the only real air force and nukes at the end of the war.
Actual imperialists don't just give that up.
I like the Pax Americana. Sure, it's imperfect, but it's still better than essentially any other point in human history.
PGOS, I think your head and intentions are in the right place regarding this conflict and I understand your distrust of Russia. I can't speak for the others here but I don't believe anyone supports Russia or their war with Ukraine. I don't trust our? own government or any European member of NATO either. If they were so concerned about Russian advancement beyond Ukraine, then they should be all in against Russia instead of relying upon our? tax dollars. We? seem to care a whole lot more about Ukrainian borders than our own. We? are ignoring our own people and the problems at home at the expense of a criminally corrupt Zelensky and his government.
The discussion on this topic has definitely been better the longer the thread has gone on.
Like I said earlier, show me a non corrupt country...it just doesnt exist. I get your guy's distrust of Nato, the US, and especially Biden.
The being said, I do think the powers that be are making an example out of Russia, and at the same time sending a clear message to China. That message is that wars over territory are a thing of the past, this is the New World Order, fuck around and find out.
At the same time, Russia has and is still committing horrific war crimes. And its not just one offs here and there like Tiger Force in Vietnam, it's systemic and everywhere they touch tortured and killed civilians pay the price.
If Ukraine wants to fight and die, I say let them. You guys seem to agree, its the specifics of US backing we disagree on
Fuck the New World Order.
That's the point of all this. Fuck NWO, fuck global corporatism. Fuck Davos. Fuck fuck fuck. And fuck anyone who supports that bullshit.
We don't want any fucking New World Order.
It's already here. US and its cronies run the world. Better to live here than say...Russia
That's why the cronies were desperate to get rid of Trump or any American president that puts America first
That was the campaign - elect Biden so the world respects us again!!!!
Fuck that. Better to be feared
Agree. Why it's great that Russia just got kicked in the nuts by American hardware donated out of the goodwill bin.
I just laughed at the thought that any country fears what Joe is doing in Ukraine
When you guys decide if Russia is pathetic or a threat let me know
I thought Ukraine was defending themselves
Fog of war
You better believe that the CCP just seriously recalibrated their plans to take Taiwan. Both them and the Russians thought they were near peer or maybe even better than the US after the Afghanistan debacle. It happens when you believe your own propaganda.
Instead, a few dozen himars parked on an island with a patriot system all of a sudden seems a bit more daunting for an armored invasion.
Has nothing to do with "The Big Guy" who would sell the CCP the plans to invade.
Has everything to do with the fact that despite all of the political gerrymandering of the military the US is still light years ahead of anything our enemies can currently muster.
I've also been on my own side in all of this so keep @PostGameOrangeSlices out of my mouth.
True. You and Peter Zeihan.
PZ is interesting to listen to, but I'm not yet buying what he's selling. I can't yet put my finger on it despite many attempts.
LIPO
PZ is consolidating what a bunch of China analysts have been saying for years. Literally, he is plagiarizing many of the same people I've been plagiarizm for longer. And/or coming to the same conclusions.
He's liberal + pro many world Order things I'm obviously not for anyone not named @WestlinnDuck
He's good, I like how concisely he summarizes and effectively communicates ideas but I disagree with a lot of his shit and would give him a B+ overall.
I noticed, obviously. If you care to share, who are the main contributors for plagiarizms?
For now, I probably give him a B.
Again, LIPO.
Take it to the China haught talk thred.
But actually. We can talk about fiat currency too. BTC is still a bigger threat than the Brics and euro combined.
This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory.
The US is an imperialist nation?
What anti-us communist drivel is this shit?
If we were actually imperialist we would have nuked Moscow in 1946 and been literally ruling the world for 70+ years as the sole super power while enslaving anyone not American and receiving tribute instead of spending trillions on foreign aid.
Get the actual fuck outta here.
The imperialists didn't get their own guysm in there until after the Nov '63 coup.
Hope this helps.
You guysm don't know what the fuck imperialism is if you think that's what the US is up to. The US has national interests like any nation does.
It's usually the card of neo fascists to say that to conflate and justify their actual imperialism. You know, like the CCP.
When the US starts going back to boots on ground invasion followed by colonists we can talk. Until then FO back to Russian Television or the Venezuelan State Broadcast with that shit.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria.
Don't forget what we do for the peoples of Yemen, though not technically boots on the ground.
We came, we saw, we Libya. The public slave auctions are a nice touch.
Where are the colonists @pawz ? Why did we give up our "colonies"? Why did we send money there instead of extracting all the wealth?
How Russia annexed Crimea? That's imperialism.
If the US was imperialist we could annex all of Canada tomorrow(and a bunch more countries to boot) and no one could do shit about it. So then, if we are in fact imperialists, why don't we?
We currently occupy 1/3rd of Syria. The oil 1/3rd.
This is a blantant fucking lie just like your "Russia tactically retreated on purpose" lie.
Liar.
I'm owed an apology. I'm not going to get it. But I'm owed it.
"Russia tactically retreating" is care of Col David McGregor. Take it up with him. No, I'm not going podcast hunting to find the clip for you. But I'm almost sure it was one of the weakly retinues with Andrew Napolitano.
Before you do, remember he served as a senior advisor to SecDef under Trump.
I'm glad America is running the world but America is running the world
Smarter than the Soviets. More along Macedonian lines where we seeded democracy and the American way of life around the world
NATO and America never standing down since WW2 is imperialistic
But smoother. Like our government knows giving the people a good living gets you a compliant people
I'm also a realist. It's a pretty good system all in all and fairly unique in world history
Except we? Did.
We took apart the military and went home after WW2 instead of rolling onto Moscow.
We very easily could have. We had ninety fucking nine aircraft carriers and twelve fucking million troops with the only real air force and nukes at the end of the war.
Actual imperialists don't just give that up.
I like the Pax Americana. Sure, it's imperfect, but it's still better than essentially any other point in human history.
Patton didn't die in a car accident
Even then America's biggest enemy was within
The very communists we could have taken out. Could have stopped Mao too. Now ask yourself why we didn't
And our military is still all over the world.
And if we don't like a leader he dies
Unless the CIA botches it and it blows back on our leader
When I was in grade school I wondered why the US stopped
Patton and McArthur were right. FDR and Truman were wrong
This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory.
The US is an imperialist nation?
What anti-us communist drivel is this shit?
If we were actually imperialist we would have nuked Moscow in 1946 and been literally ruling the world for 70+ years as the sole super power while enslaving anyone not American and receiving tribute instead of spending trillions on foreign aid.
PGOS, I think your head and intentions are in the right place regarding this conflict and I understand your distrust of Russia. I can't speak for the others here but I don't believe anyone supports Russia or their war with Ukraine. I don't trust our? own government or any European member of NATO either. If they were so concerned about Russian advancement beyond Ukraine, then they should be all in against Russia instead of relying upon our? tax dollars. We? seem to care a whole lot more about Ukrainian borders than our own. We? are ignoring our own people and the problems at home at the expense of a criminally corrupt Zelensky and his government.
The discussion on this topic has definitely been better the longer the thread has gone on.
Like I said earlier, show me a non corrupt country...it just doesnt exist. I get your guy's distrust of Nato, the US, and especially Biden.
The being said, I do think the powers that be are making an example out of Russia, and at the same time sending a clear message to China. That message is that wars over territory are a thing of the past, this is the New World Order, fuck around and find out.
At the same time, Russia has and is still committing horrific war crimes. And its not just one offs here and there like Tiger Force in Vietnam, it's systemic and everywhere they touch tortured and killed civilians pay the price.
If Ukraine wants to fight and die, I say let them. You guys seem to agree, its the specifics of US backing we disagree on
Fuck the New World Order.
That's the point of all this. Fuck NWO, fuck global corporatism. Fuck Davos. Fuck fuck fuck. And fuck anyone who supports that bullshit.
We don't want any fucking New World Order.
It's already here. US and its cronies run the world. Better to live here than say...Russia
Again, fuck the New World Order and anyone who supports it.
This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory.
The US is an imperialist nation?
What anti-us communist drivel is this shit?
If we were actually imperialist we would have nuked Moscow in 1946 and been literally ruling the world for 70+ years as the sole super power while enslaving anyone not American and receiving tribute instead of spending trillions on foreign aid.
Get the actual fuck outta here.
Strongly recommend “How to Hide An Empire”
And then get back to me.
It’s history not ideology.
I'll be sure to read that right after "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent"
It's on my shelf right next to “How to Be An Antiracist”
It would be a baller move by China. Get Russia to commit tons of troops and resources to Ukraine and then go grab the oil and minerals out of Siberia. You already have western idiots at a full froth of anti Russian fervor, how could anyone condemn this move?
Comments
RT who?
I'm no fan of China. One of my biggest concerns for FAFO in UKR is China thinking they have a greenlight to do what they want. Which will require a response. A response that would have been orders of magnitude easier WITH Russia, than against. But here we are.
Gaslights? No.
We did just fine cutting Mexico in half, taking Hawaii, and raping the Phillipines back when we were actually imperialists.
Start lining up those previous countries into concentration camps and going full boer war things probably change. Hypotheticals and all.
For now, I probably give him a B.
Again, LIPO.
Smarter than the Soviets. More along Macedonian lines where we seeded democracy and the American way of life around the world
NATO and America never standing down since WW2 is imperialistic
But smoother. Like our government knows giving the people a good living gets you a compliant people
I'm also a realist. It's a pretty good system all in all and fairly unique in world history
Liar.
We took apart the military and went home after WW2 instead of rolling onto Moscow.
We very easily could have. We had ninety fucking nine aircraft carriers and twelve fucking million troops with the only real air force and nukes at the end of the war.
Actual imperialists don't just give that up.
I like the Pax Americana. Sure, it's imperfect, but it's still better than essentially any other point in human history.
But actually. We can talk about fiat currency too. BTC is still a bigger threat than the Brics and euro combined.
Remember, you used the word "ignorant".
"Russia tactically retreating" is care of Col David McGregor. Take it up with him. No, I'm not going podcast hunting to find the clip for you. But I'm almost sure it was one of the weakly retinues with Andrew Napolitano.
Before you do, remember he served as a senior advisor to SecDef under Trump.
Even then America's biggest enemy was within
The very communists we could have taken out. Could have stopped Mao too. Now ask yourself why we didn't
And our military is still all over the world.
And if we don't like a leader he dies
Unless the CIA botches it and it blows back on our leader
When I was in grade school I wondered why the US stopped
Patton and McArthur were right. FDR and Truman were wrong
And then get back to me.
It’s history not ideology.
Hwy don't mess with Hollywood Hogan man!
It's on my shelf right next to “How to Be An Antiracist”
Reuters. LOL
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