We owe Ukraine nothing. We've given them more money than the yearly Russian military budget. They want to save their money laundering and bio labs. Maybe you missed Zellinski laundering our tax dollars back via FTX. to the demonrats and uniparty Rinos.
We owe Ukraine nothing. We've given them more money than the yearly Russian military budget. They want to save their money laundering and bio labs. Maybe you missed Zellinski laundering our tax dollars back via FTX. to the demonrats and uniparty Rinos.
We've killed enough Russians.
Now piss off.
You can whine about corrupt politicians all you fucking want.
The fact of that matter is Putin is doing his best Adolf Hitler invasion of Poland impression, and falling flat on his fucking face.
We owe Ukraine nothing. We've given them more money than the yearly Russian military budget. They want to save their money laundering and bio labs. Maybe you missed Zellinski laundering our tax dollars back via FTX. to the demonrats and uniparty Rinos.
We've killed enough Russians.
Now piss off.
You can whine about corrupt politicians all you fucking want.
The fact of that matter is Putin is doing his best Adolf Hitler invasion of Poland impression, and falling flat on his fucking face.
We owe Ukraine nothing. We've given them more money than the yearly Russian military budget. They want to save their money laundering and bio labs. Maybe you missed Zellinski laundering our tax dollars back via FTX. to the demonrats and uniparty Rinos.
We've killed enough Russians.
Now piss off.
You can whine about corrupt politicians all you fucking want.
The fact of that matter is Putin is doing his best Adolf Hitler invasion of Poland impression, and falling flat on his fucking face.
The Ukrainian neo Nazis were minding their own business and defending their territory. The Russian Nazis were murdering children and puppies in places like Bucha.
Ukraine is trying to purge the neo Nazis in their ranks, to their credit. I linked the article a while ago. Russia has a state sponsored mercenary group founded by Nazis and named after a Nazi.
Nordstrom isn't a pipeline by the way - it's a place you're too poor to shop at. Maybe the rack has a few items for you?
White flag little boy.
Diaff and learn to read. Bump that IQ up over 50
LMAO at you loser. You've been embarrassing yourself here all day. Shit, I go play 18 and here you still are pretending to know something about the world. Kid, you're a nobody and your tells scream of someone desperately in need of attention. Go sleep it off boy.
Nordstrom isn't a pipeline by the way - it's a place you're too poor to shop at. Maybe the rack has a few items for you?
White flag little boy.
Diaff and learn to read. Bump that IQ up over 50
LMAO at you loser. You've been embarrassing yourself here all day. Shit, I go play 18 and here you still are pretending to know something about the world. Kid, you're a nobody and your tells scream of someone desperately in need of attention. Go sleep it off boy.
Reagan is spinning in his grave watching so called patriotic Americans grovel before Putin
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Honest query. How do you feel about the US in possession of and controlling a full third of Syria? The oil-third no less.
Are you counting Syrian resistance to the regime as "the US"?
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war. Selling Giving weapons to kill Russians is not an act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic honest.
Okay, Vlad.
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Honest query. How do you feel about the US in possession of and controlling a full third of Syria? The oil-third no less.
Are you counting Syrian resistance to the regime as "the US"?
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
sure.gif
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
TYFYE
@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant.
So far you've cited businessinsider, wikipedia, reuters, newsweek, cnbc - to name a few.
After the last six years you choose to believe their collective version of events on any major issue? Interesting choice.
Ignorance is predicated on an in/ability to be aware of other potential paradigms. And to accurately assess relative merits.
You've planted your flag in 'Putin is literally Hitler'.
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
sure.gif
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
TYFYE
@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant.
So far you've cited businessinsider, wikipedia, reuters, newsweek, cnbc - to name a few.
After the last six years you choose to believe their collective version of events on any major issue? Interesting choice.
Ignorance is predicated on an in/ability to be aware of other potential paradigms. And to accurately assess relative merits.
You've planted your flag in 'Putin is literally Hitler'.
It's possible, but not probable.
Hope this helps.
Ive posted NY Post and other sources, too
Point being, Russia is not retreating to the high ground. They are getting stomped. By Ukraine of all places.
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
sure.gif
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
TYFYE
@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant.
So far you've cited businessinsider, wikipedia, reuters, newsweek, cnbc - to name a few.
After the last six years you choose to believe their collective version of events on any major issue? Interesting choice.
Ignorance is predicated on an in/ability to be aware of other potential paradigms. And to accurately assess relative merits.
You've planted your flag in 'Putin is literally Hitler'.
It's possible, but not probable.
Hope this helps.
Ive posted NY Post and other sources, too
Point being, Russia is not retreating to the high ground. [Russia is] getting stomped. By Ukraine of all places.
Factually inaccurate.
Like with Covid, you're welcome to wait to figure it out. I guess.
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
sure.gif
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
TYFYE
@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant.
So far you've cited businessinsider, wikipedia, reuters, newsweek, cnbc - to name a few.
After the last six years you choose to believe their collective version of events on any major issue? Interesting choice.
Ignorance is predicated on an in/ability to be aware of other potential paradigms. And to accurately assess relative merits.
You've planted your flag in 'Putin is literally Hitler'.
It's possible, but not probable.
Hope this helps.
Ive posted NY Post and other sources, too
Point being, Russia is not retreating to the high ground. [Russia is] getting stomped. By Ukraine of all places.
Factually inaccurate.
Like with Covid, you're welcome to wait to figure it out. I guess.
I'm not quite sure how Russia not being able to project power 30 miles from it's own border isn't getting stomped.
This was a nation that was supposed to give a full blown hot war against the US and Nato problems.
It's an abject failure. They got stomped in most of this conflict except for in a few select areas.
No Kyiv, no Kharkiv, no Kherson.
Russia though this war would be over in a week. How is this not a disaster of immense proportions?
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
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And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
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@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant.
So far you've cited businessinsider, wikipedia, reuters, newsweek, cnbc - to name a few.
After the last six years you choose to believe their collective version of events on any major issue? Interesting choice.
Ignorance is predicated on an in/ability to be aware of other potential paradigms. And to accurately assess relative merits.
You've planted your flag in 'Putin is literally Hitler'.
It's possible, but not probable.
Hope this helps.
Ive posted NY Post and other sources, too
Point being, Russia is not retreating to the high ground. [Russia is] getting stomped. By Ukraine of all places.
Factually inaccurate.
Like with Covid, you're welcome to wait to figure it out. I guess.
I'm not quite sure how Russia not being able to project power 30 miles from it's own border isn't getting stomped.
This was a nation that was supposed to give a full blown hot war against the US and Nato problems.
It's an abject failure. They got stomped in most of this conflict except for in a few select areas.
No Kyiv, no Kharkiv, no Kherson.
Russia though this war would be over in a week. How is this not a disaster of immense proportions?
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We've killed enough Russians.
Now piss off.
The fact of that matter is Putin is doing his best Adolf Hitler invasion of Poland impression, and falling flat on his fucking face.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
Read this shit and tell me you think it's something that should be tolerated in 2023.
So a member of NATO blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.
Feel better now?
There are also those on the Russian side as well:
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-neo-nazis-fighting-ukraine/31871760.html
The Ukrainian neo Nazis were minding their own business and defending their territory. The Russian Nazis were murdering children and puppies in places like Bucha.
Ukraine is trying to purge the neo Nazis in their ranks, to their credit. I linked the article a while ago. Russia has a state sponsored mercenary group founded by Nazis and named after a Nazi.
Spin away
Get it together Cleetus.
Where on the map is 1/3 of the country being taken over by America?
So far you've cited businessinsider, wikipedia, reuters, newsweek, cnbc - to name a few.
After the last six years you choose to believe their collective version of events on any major issue? Interesting choice.
Ignorance is predicated on an in/ability to be aware of other potential paradigms. And to accurately assess relative merits.
You've planted your flag in 'Putin is literally Hitler'.
It's possible, but not probable.
Hope this helps.
Point being, Russia is not retreating to the high ground. They are getting stomped. By Ukraine of all places.
NATO works independently of Washington DC, apparently.
Good to know.
Like with Covid, you're welcome to wait to figure it out. I guess.
I'm not quite sure how Russia not being able to project power 30 miles from it's own border isn't getting stomped.
This was a nation that was supposed to give a full blown hot war against the US and Nato problems.
It's an abject failure. They got stomped in most of this conflict except for in a few select areas.
No Kyiv, no Kharkiv, no Kherson.
Russia though this war would be over in a week. How is this not a disaster of immense proportions?
Glad we cleared that up
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