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  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,001 Founders Club

    Welcome to the jungle @whatshouldicareabout


    If you’re new to the Barrington Declaration, thank the misinformationists/censors at Twitter and Facebook.

    A walk through the maximum carnage thread would be a fine education for you and others seeking enlightenment.

    Seconded.


  • HuskyJWHuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,556 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited January 2023

    HuskyJW said:

    RoadTrip said:

    HuskyJW said:

    He took an extremely hard, hit to the chest and immediately went into cardiac arrest

    But I like where you guys are going with he had a shot from two years ago, so that was what did it.

    That's not what's happening JW. Speaking just for myself, I'm tired of being lied to and am asking logical questions. Perhaps you're closer to the subject matter than most but I can assure you I only want the truth. You and others who believe the government and want to take fraudulent vaccines are free to do so but you have NO right or authority to tell me what to do. This wasn't Comotio Cardis and yes eltlite athletes across the globe are dropping dead like never before. To deny this is insanity but understandable to one who has lived his whole life believing fobernment is good. It isn't, never has been and never will be.
    HuskyJW said:

    A gal from our? Women’s row boat team in the late 90s who I knew, dropped dead of a heart attack Mt biking around Tahoe about 10 Years ago. No warming. Just gone.

    I miss those simpler times. Freak shit just happened and that was that.

    pawz said:

    HuskyJW said:

    He took an extremely hard, hit to the chest and immediately went into cardiac arrest

    But I like where you guys are going with he had a shot from two years ago, so that was what did it.

    Extremely hard?

    Immediately?


    Wasn’t it within three seconds? Might have been less than that

    Regardless….. it was from the shot he had two years ago

    Don’t be so jaded and negative I’m agreeing with you guys
    2 years ago? Id be willing to bet you $10k he's had at least 1 booster in the last 12 months.
    Totally get it

    Just drove by a playground, and it looked like a Civil War reenactment.

    Something must be done about this horrific rise in hearts exploding
    Or people catching a cold

    Maybe crush the economy and force medical experiments on people

    Go fuck yourself
    HuskyJW taking on enemy fire

    Must be close to the target

    HuskyJW always right

  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,001 Founders Club
    HuskyJW said:

    HuskyJW said:

    RoadTrip said:

    HuskyJW said:

    He took an extremely hard, hit to the chest and immediately went into cardiac arrest

    But I like where you guys are going with he had a shot from two years ago, so that was what did it.

    That's not what's happening JW. Speaking just for myself, I'm tired of being lied to and am asking logical questions. Perhaps you're closer to the subject matter than most but I can assure you I only want the truth. You and others who believe the government and want to take fraudulent vaccines are free to do so but you have NO right or authority to tell me what to do. This wasn't Comotio Cardis and yes eltlite athletes across the globe are dropping dead like never before. To deny this is insanity but understandable to one who has lived his whole life believing fobernment is good. It isn't, never has been and never will be.
    HuskyJW said:

    A gal from our? Women’s row boat team in the late 90s who I knew, dropped dead of a heart attack Mt biking around Tahoe about 10 Years ago. No warming. Just gone.

    I miss those simpler times. Freak shit just happened and that was that.

    pawz said:

    HuskyJW said:

    He took an extremely hard, hit to the chest and immediately went into cardiac arrest

    But I like where you guys are going with he had a shot from two years ago, so that was what did it.

    Extremely hard?

    Immediately?


    Wasn’t it within three seconds? Might have been less than that

    Regardless….. it was from the shot he had two years ago

    Don’t be so jaded and negative I’m agreeing with you guys
    2 years ago? Id be willing to bet you $10k he's had at least 1 booster in the last 12 months.
    Totally get it

    Just drove by a playground, and it looked like a Civil War reenactment.

    Something must be done about this horrific rise in hearts exploding
    Or people catching a cold

    Maybe crush the economy and force medical experiments on people

    Go fuck yourself
    HuskyJW taking on enemy fire

    Must be close to the target

    HuskyJW always right

    Willfully ignorant.


  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Good news on Hamlin today. Can’t speak but wrote a question.

    “Who won the game?”

    Doc, you won the game of life.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,278 Standard Supporter

    The NFL has been going team to assure players a full rapid response medical team will be at every game

    Apparently all the guys are not All In and are asking questions

    @AaronRodgersDawg, true?
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,402 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2023

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Dude61 said:
    Don't bring medical studies and peer reviewed papers into this. The libs don't deal in facts, only emotions.
    Is it peer reviewed? It's listed as "letter to editor".

    Letter uses absolute values instead of rates. How many athletes were in sports in 1966-2004 versus 2020-2022?

    What was the source of statistics for those years? Are they comparable in how they were taken? How reliable are those statistics? Where is the data for 2005-2019?

    What types of sports had the highest rate of cardiac injury? What about race?
    Great questions. Were any asked of the CV jab trials?

    No need to answer.

    The fact that Pfizer asked a federal judge to withhold answers for 75 years says it all.


    In this case, the author Dr Peter McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country. With over 600 peer-reviewed, published papers on his resume he is head and shoulders above the field. I think it's fair to say he's earned a bit of discretion if those questions aren't perfectly addressed (but likely are given his track record).


    I really hope this helps.


    They should've been asked and accounted for in the trials. And if people have questions or concerns, then they need to be addressed.

    I don't like that Pfizer wants to withhold answers either, but it's how pharma operates and it leads to distrust of medicine in the population.

    I don't care if McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country, these are basic questions in epidemiology and biostatistics. How do you do a cohort analysis when the two source populations are different?

    Bob_C said:

    pawz said:

    Dude61 said:
    Don't bring medical studies and peer reviewed papers into this. The libs don't deal in facts, only emotions.
    Is it peer reviewed? It's listed as "letter to editor".

    Letter uses absolute values instead of rates. How many athletes were in sports in 1966-2004 versus 2020-2022?

    What was the source of statistics for those years? Are they comparable in how they were taken? How reliable are those statistics? Where is the data for 2005-2019?

    What types of sports had the highest rate of cardiac injury? What about race?
    Great questions. Were any asked of the CV jab trials?

    No need to answer.

    The fact that Pfizer asked a federal judge to withhold answers for 75 years says it all.


    In this case, the author Dr Peter McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country. With over 600 peer-reviewed, published papers on his resume he is head and shoulders above the field. I think it's fair to say he's earned a bit of discretion if those questions aren't perfectly addressed (but likely are given his track record).


    I really hope this helps.


    They should've been asked and accounted for in the trials. And if people have questions or concerns, then they need to be addressed.

    I don't like that Pfizer wants to withhold answers either, but it's how pharma operates and it leads to distrust of medicine in the population.

    I don't care if McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country, these are basic questions in epidemiology and biostatistics. How do you do a cohort analysis when the two source populations are different?
    In theory, wouldn't a cardiologist be a better source of understanding and identifying side effects that effect the heart than an epidemiologist?
    Essentially, this is a database review which is a common form of surveillance to try to identify correlation between exposure and outcome. It doesn't appear to be more than identifying a statistic that an event happened (cardiac arrest) in an athlete (source population) given the vaccine (exposure). There would need to be control for confounding variables (race, age, gender, what sport they played, how long they played, etc.) to isolate how strong the outcome is correlated to the exposure. If the paper were more about reviewing the cases and determining whether a case was legitimately cardiac arrest or some other major cardiac event, then the cardiologist would be a much better fit.

    To me, one suggestion I have with the data he presented is that the demographics in the US changed such that there's going to be more background cases of cardiac arrest. It seems to occur more often in blacks and in soccer than say whites and baseball, and I'd wager that the percentage of blacks and soccer has grown since the 1960s to the 2020s. That said, there could be excess cardiac events because of the virus or the vaccine, but it's uncertain with how the data was presented in that letter.
    I'm not trying to be a dick because you don't spent much, if any, time in the Tug, but it sure would have been nice had the level of 'integrity' you require been applied on the front-side of the pandemic response and subsequently the jab.

    If you know on the front-side that Pharma is a bad-actor, why was it a good idea to allow them Laissez-faire whence problem solving?


    Since you are keen on epidemiology and biostatistics, are you familiar with The Great Barrington Declaration and the doctors behind it? They opined we did EVERYTHING wrong.

    If unfamiliar, allow me:

    https://gbdeclaration.org/

    3 principal signatories

    Dr. Jay Bhattacharya - professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
    Dr. Sunetra Gupta - professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
    Dr. Martin Kulldorff - professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
    I did not know about the Barrington Declaration, but yeah, prolonged lockdowns had a damaging effect on society, especially around behavioral health and substance abuse.
    Translation: I had very strong feelings about masks, lockdowns and vax mandates, but I didn't care to actually understand that I was being lied to and today I really don't care that I was, but yeah, the lockdowns had a damaging effect on society. Which is exactly what the Great Barrington Declaration told us - at least those who cared about the actual science.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,972 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2023
    46XiJCAB said:

    Good news on Hamlin today. Can’t speak but wrote a question.

    “Who won the game?”

    Doc, you won the game of life.

    Now watch in predictable amazement how this quote be used to divert people from questioning the actual cause(s) to yet another hero narrative, like is already happening with the Bill's trainer who did CPR on Hamlin. The doctors, nurses, trainers, ambulance driver and Hamlin himself are all heroes, and anyone who detracts from that narrative is a domestic racist terrorist who wants all black NFL players to die of heart attacks.

    If you don't expect this reaction by now, you're brain dead.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    46XiJCAB said:

    Good news on Hamlin today. Can’t speak but wrote a question.

    “Who won the game?”

    Doc, you won the game of life.

    Now watch in predictable amazement how this quote be used to divert people from questioning the actual cause(s) to yet another hero narrative, like is already happening with the Bill's trainer who did CPR on Hamlin. The doctors, nurses, trainers, ambulance driver and Hamlin himself are all heroes, and anyone who detracts from that narrative is a domestic racist terrorist who wants all black NFL players to die of heart attacks.

    If you don't expect this reaction by now, you're brain dead.
    Fuck the probable cause, let's celebrate the life savers. Not that we shouldn't but let's find out the way. But no we can't have that discussion.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,972 Standard Supporter
    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Good news on Hamlin today. Can’t speak but wrote a question.

    “Who won the game?”

    Doc, you won the game of life.

    Now watch in predictable amazement how this quote be used to divert people from questioning the actual cause(s) to yet another hero narrative, like is already happening with the Bill's trainer who did CPR on Hamlin. The doctors, nurses, trainers, ambulance driver and Hamlin himself are all heroes, and anyone who detracts from that narrative is a domestic racist terrorist who wants all black NFL players to die of heart attacks.

    If you don't expect this reaction by now, you're brain dead.
    Fuck the probable cause, let's celebrate the life savers. Not that we shouldn't but let's find out the way. But no we can't have that discussion.
    Cause, Schmause. It's irrelevant.

    What kind of evil person would even care what caused it.

    HE WON THE GAME OF LIFE!

    I've got the T-Shirts on order already. Flags and scarves to follow.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,960 Founders Club

    46XiJCAB said:

    Good news on Hamlin today. Can’t speak but wrote a question.

    “Who won the game?”

    Doc, you won the game of life.

    Now watch in predictable amazement how this quote be used to divert people from questioning the actual cause(s) to yet another hero narrative, like is already happening with the Bill's trainer who did CPR on Hamlin. The doctors, nurses, trainers, ambulance driver and Hamlin himself are all heroes, and anyone who detracts from that narrative is a domestic racist terrorist who wants all black NFL players to die of heart attacks.

    If you don't expect this reaction by now, you're brain dead.
    That narrative started the minute he collapsed. At best there's the, "It's not the right time" rebuke.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,823 Founders Club
    46XiJCAB said:

    Good news on Hamlin today. Can’t speak but wrote a question.

    “Who won the game?”

    Doc, you won the game of life.

    He followed commands too. Sounds like chance for full revovery.
  • theknowledgetheknowledge Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,952 Founders Club
    46XiJCAB said:

    Good news on Hamlin today. Can’t speak but wrote a question.

    “Who won the game?”

    Doc, you won the game of life.

    Butch jones was his doctor?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,076 Founders Club
    Sounds like they should have finished the game

  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,960 Founders Club
    I changed my profile picture to a BIlls logo. Now everyone will know that I really care.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,278 Standard Supporter

    I changed my profile picture to a BIlls logo. Now everyone will know that I really care.

    The crying Buffalo or just the normal one?

    The virtue signaling game is nuanced.

  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,001 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Dude61 said:
    Don't bring medical studies and peer reviewed papers into this. The libs don't deal in facts, only emotions.
    Is it peer reviewed? It's listed as "letter to editor".

    Letter uses absolute values instead of rates. How many athletes were in sports in 1966-2004 versus 2020-2022?

    What was the source of statistics for those years? Are they comparable in how they were taken? How reliable are those statistics? Where is the data for 2005-2019?

    What types of sports had the highest rate of cardiac injury? What about race?
    Great questions. Were any asked of the CV jab trials?

    No need to answer.

    The fact that Pfizer asked a federal judge to withhold answers for 75 years says it all.


    In this case, the author Dr Peter McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country. With over 600 peer-reviewed, published papers on his resume he is head and shoulders above the field. I think it's fair to say he's earned a bit of discretion if those questions aren't perfectly addressed (but likely are given his track record).


    I really hope this helps.


    They should've been asked and accounted for in the trials. And if people have questions or concerns, then they need to be addressed.

    I don't like that Pfizer wants to withhold answers either, but it's how pharma operates and it leads to distrust of medicine in the population.

    I don't care if McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country, these are basic questions in epidemiology and biostatistics. How do you do a cohort analysis when the two source populations are different?

    Bob_C said:

    pawz said:

    Dude61 said:
    Don't bring medical studies and peer reviewed papers into this. The libs don't deal in facts, only emotions.
    Is it peer reviewed? It's listed as "letter to editor".

    Letter uses absolute values instead of rates. How many athletes were in sports in 1966-2004 versus 2020-2022?

    What was the source of statistics for those years? Are they comparable in how they were taken? How reliable are those statistics? Where is the data for 2005-2019?

    What types of sports had the highest rate of cardiac injury? What about race?
    Great questions. Were any asked of the CV jab trials?

    No need to answer.

    The fact that Pfizer asked a federal judge to withhold answers for 75 years says it all.


    In this case, the author Dr Peter McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country. With over 600 peer-reviewed, published papers on his resume he is head and shoulders above the field. I think it's fair to say he's earned a bit of discretion if those questions aren't perfectly addressed (but likely are given his track record).


    I really hope this helps.


    They should've been asked and accounted for in the trials. And if people have questions or concerns, then they need to be addressed.

    I don't like that Pfizer wants to withhold answers either, but it's how pharma operates and it leads to distrust of medicine in the population.

    I don't care if McCullough is the top cardiologist in the country, these are basic questions in epidemiology and biostatistics. How do you do a cohort analysis when the two source populations are different?
    In theory, wouldn't a cardiologist be a better source of understanding and identifying side effects that effect the heart than an epidemiologist?
    Essentially, this is a database review which is a common form of surveillance to try to identify correlation between exposure and outcome. It doesn't appear to be more than identifying a statistic that an event happened (cardiac arrest) in an athlete (source population) given the vaccine (exposure). There would need to be control for confounding variables (race, age, gender, what sport they played, how long they played, etc.) to isolate how strong the outcome is correlated to the exposure. If the paper were more about reviewing the cases and determining whether a case was legitimately cardiac arrest or some other major cardiac event, then the cardiologist would be a much better fit.

    To me, one suggestion I have with the data he presented is that the demographics in the US changed such that there's going to be more background cases of cardiac arrest. It seems to occur more often in blacks and in soccer than say whites and baseball, and I'd wager that the percentage of blacks and soccer has grown since the 1960s to the 2020s. That said, there could be excess cardiac events because of the virus or the vaccine, but it's uncertain with how the data was presented in that letter.
    I'm not trying to be a dick because you don't spent much, if any, time in the Tug, but it sure would have been nice had the level of 'integrity' you require been applied on the front-side of the pandemic response and subsequently the jab.

    If you know on the front-side that Pharma is a bad-actor, why was it a good idea to allow them Laissez-faire whence problem solving?


    Since you are keen on epidemiology and biostatistics, are you familiar with The Great Barrington Declaration and the doctors behind it? They opined we did EVERYTHING wrong.

    If unfamiliar, allow me:

    https://gbdeclaration.org/

    3 principal signatories

    Dr. Jay Bhattacharya - professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
    Dr. Sunetra Gupta - professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
    Dr. Martin Kulldorff - professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
    I did not know about the Barrington Declaration, but yeah, prolonged lockdowns had a damaging effect on society, especially around behavioral health and substance abuse.
    The Great Barrington Doctors have issue with force jabbing our nation’s young men.


    https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cky_-KROw8d/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,716 Standard Supporter
    I can't believe this thread is still going. as is football.


    I am most surprised that ESPN did not fold in protest of the violence of FB
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,001 Founders Club
    LebamDawg said:

    I can't believe this thread is still going. as is football.


    I am most surprised that ESPN did not fold in protest of the violence of FB

    Despite the moist vaginas of HH and his crew, this issue deserves attention ad infinitum.

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