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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,216 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Fresneck is not a power 5 program. HTH.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Fresneck is not a power 5 program. HTH.
    That was poorly worded. But the calcification makes is even more reason to a LIPO.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Doogles said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    It's fair to question if the next man up will be as good as Penix, odds are he won't lead the nation in passing.

    But it's important to remember that Penix was bad/awful without Deboer and was ranked a 3 star transfer. Nobody was knocking on his door to play.

    Also watch the game with your eyes and it's obvious the routes and multiple looks are scheming guys open.
    It’s going to be interesting. Either way.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RoadDawg55 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    The process is that DeBoer has always had great offenses and he needs to figure it the fuck out with the talent and coaching on defense. It’s not like this team is his ideal team.
    Sounds like he needs time to get his guys in there.
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  • Kingdome_Urinals
    Kingdome_Urinals Member Posts: 2,793
    edited November 2022
    Doogles said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    It's fair to question if the next man up will be as good as Penix, odds are he won't lead the nation in passing.

    But it's important to remember that Penix was bad/awful without Deboer and was ranked a 3 star transfer. Nobody was knocking on his door to play.

    Also watch the game with your eyes and it's obvious the routes and multiple looks are scheming guys open.
    Same thing at Fresno. WR's were open all the time. He unleashed the little stud in Haener with all the route concepts.

    I think the key is at RB however, because the next QB won't be able to carry the team like Penix.
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  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,264
    RoadDawg55 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    The process is that DeBoer has always had great offenses and he needs to figure it the fuck out with the talent and coaching on defense. It’s not like this team is his ideal team.
    Thats why I personally have not anointed him
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  • Kingdome_Urinals
    Kingdome_Urinals Member Posts: 2,793
    Canadawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    The process is that DeBoer has always had great offenses and he needs to figure it the fuck out with the talent and coaching on defense. It’s not like this team is his ideal team.
    Thats why I personally have not anointed him
    It's a good point, he has no defensive tree in CFB and struggled to hire decent people in the offseason.

    However, even if Sark has good DC's he loses.

    HC's are the ones who coach programs to wins, sometimes in spite of poor staff.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,717 Founders Club
    He's as old as I am. And he sucked until
    Kingdome_Urinals said:

    Canadawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    The process is that DeBoer has always had great offenses and he needs to figure it the fuck out with the talent and coaching on defense. It’s not like this team is his ideal team.
    Thats why I personally have not anointed him
    It's a good point, he has no defensive tree in CFB and struggled to hire decent people in the offseason.

    However, even if Sark has good DC's he loses.

    HC's are the ones who coach programs to wins, sometimes in spite of poor staff.
    Texas has two full lines of 300 pound top notch D linemen. Kwat is great when he has that kind of talent up front

    And yet Texas still folds and gives up yards and points in the 2nd half and loses
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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    I was all in on Deboer after he beat a RANKED Oregon State.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    A winning percentage speaks volumes and is not simplistic

    Tressel was 70% at Youngstown 15 years 4-2 in the natty game

    Bohl was 74 percent in 11 years 3-1 in the natty game. Also old as fuck now

    DeBoer was 95% in 5 years and 4-1 in natty games

    Not a guarantee but DeBoer is ridiculous

    Sounds like you’ve had a boner for DeBoer since day one and loved the hire. That’s good.
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    A winning percentage speaks volumes and is not simplistic

    Tressel was 70% at Youngstown 15 years 4-2 in the natty game

    Bohl was 74 percent in 11 years 3-1 in the natty game. Also old as fuck now

    DeBoer was 95% in 5 years and 4-1 in natty games

    Not a guarantee but DeBoer is ridiculous

    Race is RIGHT as Purple Rain
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    Beat TCC and Lincoln High, then pop-off!
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,427 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    Three in a row (effectively) is THE mindset of a Champion.

    Tim Grover would call that a "cleaner". IYKYK.

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,717 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    A winning percentage speaks volumes and is not simplistic

    Tressel was 70% at Youngstown 15 years 4-2 in the natty game

    Bohl was 74 percent in 11 years 3-1 in the natty game. Also old as fuck now

    DeBoer was 95% in 5 years and 4-1 in natty games

    Not a guarantee but DeBoer is ridiculous

    Sounds like you’ve had a boner for DeBoer since day one and loved the hire. That’s good.
    I was against it
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    A winning percentage speaks volumes and is not simplistic

    Tressel was 70% at Youngstown 15 years 4-2 in the natty game

    Bohl was 74 percent in 11 years 3-1 in the natty game. Also old as fuck now

    DeBoer was 95% in 5 years and 4-1 in natty games

    Not a guarantee but DeBoer is ridiculous

    Sounds like you’ve had a boner for DeBoer since day one and loved the hire. That’s good.
    I was against it
    Why? He won 95% of his games. Winners win
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,717 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    A winning percentage speaks volumes and is not simplistic

    Tressel was 70% at Youngstown 15 years 4-2 in the natty game

    Bohl was 74 percent in 11 years 3-1 in the natty game. Also old as fuck now

    DeBoer was 95% in 5 years and 4-1 in natty games

    Not a guarantee but DeBoer is ridiculous

    Sounds like you’ve had a boner for DeBoer since day one and loved the hire. That’s good.
    I was against it
    Why? He won 95% of his games. Winners win
    Small school

    Too simplistic
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    A winning percentage speaks volumes and is not simplistic

    Tressel was 70% at Youngstown 15 years 4-2 in the natty game

    Bohl was 74 percent in 11 years 3-1 in the natty game. Also old as fuck now

    DeBoer was 95% in 5 years and 4-1 in natty games

    Not a guarantee but DeBoer is ridiculous

    Sounds like you’ve had a boner for DeBoer since day one and loved the hire. That’s good.
    I was against it
    Why? He won 95% of his games. Winners win
    Small school

    Too simplistic
    That’s what I thought
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,717 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Baseman said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    I've been spending three days a week in Spokane smashing that point into the face of the branch. It's a process. It's hard

    But DeBoer does have a proven process. Like me he's a winner.
    He has a process in the glorified high school division. Was OK at FSU, 9-5 conference record. He is in his 3rd year as a power 5 head coach. LIPO.
    Jim Tressel was a national champion at Youngstown State before Ohio State

    Winning is winning

    Rick was spotty before UW and after

    I am LIPO but sharing some of my brilliant insight that you can't get anywhere else
    Just making sure everything is evidence based.

    Greg Bohl won several national championships at NDSU. Is now a .500 coach at Wyoming.

    LIPO
    Since you waived your 15 game rule before drawing a conclusion, I'll point out the following:

    Bohl took over a 5-7 team at Wyoming and won 4 games his first year, 2 the next. DeBoner doesn't need time to get his guys in here, even though he does.

    Even with Bohl's 3 natties, he lost 32 games. DeBoner 3.

    Baseman Disclaimer: Natties won/Losses >= 1, ELITE coach

    I do applaud your effort even though your comp falls short.
    Races example was simplistic. As was my response. Small time Nattys may or may not translate to a winning FBS coach. There are examples each way. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    A winning percentage speaks volumes and is not simplistic

    Tressel was 70% at Youngstown 15 years 4-2 in the natty game

    Bohl was 74 percent in 11 years 3-1 in the natty game. Also old as fuck now

    DeBoer was 95% in 5 years and 4-1 in natty games

    Not a guarantee but DeBoer is ridiculous

    Sounds like you’ve had a boner for DeBoer since day one and loved the hire. That’s good.
    I was against it
    Why? He won 95% of his games. Winners win
    Small school

    Too simplistic
    That’s what I thought
    #MeToo
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,427 Founders Club
    haie said:

    There's plenty of time for DeBoer to make us hate him again this season. A flat performance in Pullman or a limp dick bowl effort can get there easily.

    But him and his staff get the two weeks to smoke weed and talk shit.

    I would wager heavily our? days of limp dick effort are over.

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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    I'm getting ALL the screenshots I need
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam
    My support for hiring Deboer was based on this: people who excel zat one thing or in one place tend to carry that with them. Really driven people stay driven and smart people stay smart.

    It's not possible to do much better than he did at Sioux Falls. He had a few years as a coordinator and HC at D1 schools so he wasn't going to be blindsided by how hard the job is.

    He just seemed like a good candidate. If you aren't stealing Saban or somehow luring Bob Stoops out of retirement, this seems like a good risk to me. Returns so far are mixed but pointing mostly toward me being right.

    Not crowning though. He'll prove it when he proves it. Or not.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam
    Baseman said:

    chuck said:

    My support for hiring Deboer was based on this: people who excel zat one thing or in one place tend to carry that with them. Really driven people stay driven and smart people stay smart.

    It's not possible to do much better than he did at Sioux Falls. He had a few years as a coordinator and HC at D1 schools so he wasn't going to be blindsided by how hard the job is.

    He just seemed like a good candidate. If you aren't stealing Saban or somehow luring Bob Stoops out of retirement, this seems like a good risk to me. Returns so far are mixed but pointing mostly toward me being right.

    Not crowning though. He'll prove it when he proves it. Or not.

    Bob Stoops would have pulled a Peterman by year 2. A guy who quit a winning Oklahoma program agrees to coach a no booster supported woke community team with a twenty something Duck grad stumping for an oly fans deal running point for the lifeblood of the roster? How long does that last?

    Stoops would have pulled the Peterman card, needing 1-2 years to get his guys in here. New scheme, new attitude. Sub 500 record supplemented by Peterman speak, "it's hard to win in this league."

    The Doogs swoon when Stoops kicks the best player of the team for the betterment of the program. Then, a change of heart. Presser called.

    Brother Mike takes the rains with the program never in better shape. Bobby is thanked for his service. Jen calls him a Dawg for life. Multiple threads on Brand-X with reach arounds for the HOF coach for stepping up when called to serve. Lots of "Woof!" Then the program dips. Again. But our history and legacy of doing it RIGHT

    Fuck that
    Yeah that's probably about how it would go. It would've been hard to find anyone questioning it at the time had it been a real thing though. That's sizzle.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,126
    Doogles said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    It's fair to question if the next man up will be as good as Penix, odds are he won't lead the nation in passing.

    But it's important to remember that Penix was bad/awful without Deboer and was ranked a 3 star transfer. Nobody was knocking on his door to play.

    Also watch the game with your eyes and it's obvious the routes and multiple looks are scheming guys open.
    He’s made some great throws but even on some of those plays, the scheme got them open. The 76 yard TD throw to Polk was a fucking dime, but he was wide open deep. There are tons of those examples. TD to Westover against Oregon State, Newton vs Cal.

    We have some good talent at WR, but these guys aren’t open because they are incredible players. They are wide open because
    Canadawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    whlinder said:



    Due to clock mismanagement at the end of the game I poasted that. Outcomes matter. So does process.

    I would like a Damone Doog rating plz
    The process matters most. Get that right and wins follow. Have a shitty process and you win games with a late interception off an Arizona players foot and think you coached a masterful game.

    Have a shitty process, but luck out with a QB named Tui, have a bunch of big comeback wins, go to the rose bowl and pop off, but in reality your’re a 7-6 coach. Eventually patterns emerge. It takes time.

    Is Penix DeBoer’s Tui? I’m not saying he is, I’m saying I don’t know. But we have seen it before.
    The process is that DeBoer has always had great offenses and he needs to figure it the fuck out with the talent and coaching on defense. It’s not like this team is his ideal team.
    Thats why I personally have not anointed him
    Nothing to anoint yet. I’m optimistic and his track record is very good. Still gotta get it done. So far, it has been a good season, albeit with some warts.
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