See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link, yes? All I did was summarize it for you.
I do realize that. You actually put the link there while Bob just flails around.
Ok, let’s try this again. You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link?
Yes I understand that fully. But Bob choose to be an idiot rather than present information. I'm guessing it's because the actual discussion is over his head and he's just googling shit to try to prove me wrong.
Oh and Mr. reading comprehension the numbers where never for an individual or a “person” they were always for a family of four. And your claim was that the “system” makes the poor poorer, not that they are “encouraged” to stay poor or that the don’t have the ability to build wealth you lying worthless piece of shit.
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link, yes? All I did was summarize it for you.
I do realize that. You actually put the link there while Bob just flails around.
Ok, let’s try this again. You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link?
Yes I understand that fully. But Bob choose to be an idiot rather than present information. I'm guessing it's because the actual discussion is over his head and he's just googling shit to try to prove me wrong.
Other than the fact that I provided the information and then the link to back it up it almost like you’re nothing more than a lying Kunt Hondo.
Let me guess you’re trolling me with you stupidity again. Time for some funny pictures Kunt, you’re about spent here.
So just to recap, a “system” that is designed to make the poor, poorer actually gives a family of four earning $25k a year the spending power of $60k a year.
That’s one weird way of being made poorer but I’m sure Hondo has some off topic gibberish to explain it all.
All this retared thread aside....If you, as an individual, believe you are a victim of the “system” then fuck off. Go fucking be a poor piece of shit and spend your life blaming the nebulous “system” for your poor personal habits, low IQ, lack of ambition, and poor choices.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Great, so can you concede that the "system" doesn't make poor people poorer and nobody is getting rich in this country stealing poor people's money?
No, I wouldn’t concede that. I don’t find the two points incompatible. In fact, I think you can make the argument that welfare benefits rich people. See, Walmart.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Huge amount of fraud in welfare, section 8 and all the other programs uncle sugar has. Billions.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
We?
We're all Americans Mike
But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Great, so can you concede that the "system" doesn't make poor people poorer and nobody is getting rich in this country stealing poor people's money?
No, I wouldn’t concede that. I don’t find the two points incompatible. In fact, I think you can make the argument that welfare benefits rich people. See, Walmart.
I said “see, Walmart”. You either don’t care enough to look it up yourself, in which case why would I waste my time? Or, and this is less likely, you think you’ve got a killer argument against it, probably some bullshit about how welfare increases wages magically, and you’re going to body slam me with it. The problem is I already know the arguments against it and don’t agree so this results in a standstill.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
I think I’d be for that if it were an actual replacement. The truth is the government would fuck it up and have a UBI AND welfare. Abundance.
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Oh and Mr. reading comprehension the numbers where never for an individual or a “person” they were always for a family of four. And your claim was that the “system” makes the poor poorer, not that they are “encouraged” to stay poor or that the don’t have the ability to build wealth you lying worthless piece of shit.
Let me guess you’re trolling me with you stupidity again. Time for some funny pictures Kunt, you’re about spent here.
That’s one weird way of being made poorer but I’m sure Hondo has some off topic gibberish to explain it all.
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it