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The "system" that is making the poor, poorer in America

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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    SFGbob said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Great, so can you concede that the "system" doesn't make poor people poorer and nobody is getting rich in this country stealing poor people's money?
    No, I wouldn’t concede that. I don’t find the two points incompatible. In fact, I think you can make the argument that welfare benefits rich people. See, Walmart.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,610 Standard Supporter
    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Huge amount of fraud in welfare, section 8 and all the other programs uncle sugar has. Billions.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,561 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    We?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,561 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    We?
    We're all Americans Mike
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited November 2018
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    We?
    We're all Americans Mike
    But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    allpurpleallgold said:

    SFGbob said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Great, so can you concede that the "system" doesn't make poor people poorer and nobody is getting rich in this country stealing poor people's money?
    No, I wouldn’t concede that. I don’t find the two points incompatible. In fact, I think you can make the argument that welfare benefits rich people. See, Walmart.
    Go ahead, make the argument.
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    I said “see, Walmart”. You either don’t care enough to look it up yourself, in which case why would I waste my time? Or, and this is less likely, you think you’ve got a killer argument against it, probably some bullshit about how welfare increases wages magically, and you’re going to body slam me with it. The problem is I already know the arguments against it and don’t agree so this results in a standstill.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
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    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    I think I’d be for that if it were an actual replacement. The truth is the government would fuck it up and have a UBI AND welfare. Abundance.
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