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The Race Thread

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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823

    If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.

    Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?

    I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.

    HTH
    I lean pretty strong to Race and Damone's side on most of this, including ID to vote, but I have to say, if you've honestly never witnessed any racial issues whatsoever, you've clearly never lived in the parts of the cuntry I've lived in.

    Racism in hiring and firing (both ways) is some real shit in Memphis, right now, today.

    I don't pretend to know what the solution is, and I'm with pawz that equality at the start of the day is the goal rather than at the end of the day, but it's hard for me to conceive of this world where we can deny that racism in the workplace exists. It's not the world I live in, that's for sure.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896

    An obscure case in Florida or a microcosm of a greater problem? The media was on to it long before Obama commented on it. There were marches before before he said anything.


    Voter ID laws are unnecessary. Voting is a civil liberty, ID requirements diminish that. If someone wants to vote the requirement should be citizenship, nothing beyond that. You're lying to yourself if you truly don't see the intention of these laws.

    Nice justification of racial profiling.

    Another dishonest post about race in America, and a dishonest representation of my arguments in this thread.

    Voting is a right of US citizens that:

    1) Has to be earned. It is earned by simply turning 18 and turning in a voter registration card.

    2) It also has to be maintained. When you move, you need to re-register.

    Why? Many states are vote by mail now and the ones that aren't need re-registration so that you vote for the appropriate local, state and federal officials that represent you.

    Why do you think that the Motor/Voter bill was passed in the 90's? Because it made it easier to kill 2 birds with one stone when you had a change of address or driver's license expiration. Back then you HAD to go in to DMV to do these things whereas now you can do voter reg and dl address changes online.

    In many cities, you HAVE to possess at least a current state issued ID card to prove you're not a vagrant.

    Why do we need to have voters possess ID's?

    1) To prove they are citizens of this country.

    2) To make sure that they are who they say they are and only vote once. Because you see both political parties have been guilty of enticing votes of the poor with Cash or a pack of cigarettes. And the motivation for someone without a pot to piss in to vote at 9 different polls on election day can be strong.

    That and everyone should at least have a friggin ID. If that's too much of an expectation on someone, what if any expectations do you have of an American adult?
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited December 2013
    dnc said:

    I lean pretty strong to Race and Damone's side on most of this, including ID to vote, but I have to say, if you've honestly never witnessed any racial issues whatsoever, you've clearly never lived in the parts of the cuntry I've lived in.

    Racism in hiring and firing (both ways) is some real shit in Memphis, right now, today.

    I don't pretend to know what the solution is, and I'm with pawz that equality at the start of the day is the goal rather than at the end of the day, but it's hard for me to conceive of this world where we can deny that racism in the workplace exists. It's not the world I live in, that's for sure.
    I didn't say it doesn't exist. Said I have never seen it. I worked in the south as well. Mostly with people of other races. Including in Memphis and across the river in Arkansas. Everyone was too focused on making money to give a fuck about race.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    I didn't say it doesn't exist. Said I have never seen it. I worked in the south as well. Mostly with people of other races. Including in Memphis and across the river in Arkansas. Everyone was too focused on making money to give a fuck about race.
    It's hard to see with your eyes closed.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    It's hard to see with your eyes closed.
    Then open them.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    salemcoog said:

    2) To make sure that they are who they say they are and only vote once. Because you see both political parties have been guilty of enticing votes of the poor with Cash or a pack of cigarettes. And the motivation for someone without a pot to piss in to vote at 9 different polls on election day can be strong.
    Please provide all the cases of in person voter fraud. Thanks in advance.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    Of course you did....... Put away the checker board.

    Lay out for us why registering with a birth certificate is OK, but proving you're that same person when voting is racist.....
    It's targeting black voters. It's targeting them because they are more likely to not have ids than white voters. It's racist because there is no voter fraud.
  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    All of this becomes easier to understand when you understand that the system is designed to further the power/rights of those who already have money, and to hinder the efforts and/or disenfranchise those who do not. People with money, whether fairly earned or not, don't want to risk losing political power by making it easier for the lesser-propertied to exercise what should be their inalienable right to vote as American citizens. You can argue all day that voter ID laws don't discriminate against any race or creed, but I'd argue that it's only because economic class isn't a recognized 'class' of people in the eyes of civil rights law. CollegeDoog's correct in that this is a gigantic straw man set up by the right wing in response to how the Obama elections dramatically reshaped this country's electoral math, and the rest of you are right in that it isn't entirely about race. So there's that.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Please provide all the cases of in person voter fraud. Thanks in advance.
    It's sad that we don't think blacks are on capable of getting an ID.

    voter fraud is rare because the system is working and keeping fraudulent ballots out. People have gone to prison for it though.

    Should black people be able to buy a gun without an ID? That's a right. Seems racist to make them provide an ID to express a constitutional right.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited December 2013
    You need to learn the difference between a civil liberty and a right.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited December 2013
    So we tell the underclass to work as hard as they can to better themselves economically, yet do things like restrict voting deadlines, add unnecessary requirements, and close DMV's in Metropolitan areas.

    So while they're working their ass off to improve their economic situation they should also find time to get new documentation, which was never necessary before, to take advantage of something guaranteed to every American.

    Seems hypocritical to me.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    It's sad that we don't think blacks are on capable of getting an ID.

    voter fraud is rare because the system is working and keeping fraudulent ballots out. People have gone to prison for it though.

    Should black people be able to buy a gun without an ID? That's a right. Seems racist to make them provide an ID to express a constitutional right.
    You can save your blame flipping bullshit for Collegedoog. More blacks, by percentage, don't have ids. You say getting an id is all about being capable. Therefore you think blacks are less capable of getting ids. This is why real conversation with you guys is worthless.

    Voter fraud is rare because the system is working therefore we need to add new laws to a system that's working. Sounds a lot like big government to me.

    No one should be able to buy a gun. It's not a right. HTH.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited December 2013

    You can save your blame flipping bullshit for Collegedoog. More blacks, by percentage, don't have ids. You say getting an id is all about being capable. Therefore you think blacks are less capable of getting ids. This is why real conversation with you guys is worthless.

    Voter fraud is rare because the system is working therefore we need to add new laws to a system that's working. Sounds a lot like big government to me.

    No one should be able to buy a gun. It's not a right. HTH.
    It's just as much as a right as voting. Check the facts. The fact you pick and choose what you agree with is telling.

    I don't think blacks are less capable of getting an id. Only racists do an use that as an excuse.
  • unfrozencavemanunfrozencaveman Member Posts: 2,303
    Y'all gettin caught up in the details which is fine, but its a much bigger issue

    I recommend reading The Naked Communist (1958)

    This will help you understand just what in the hell is going on these days
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    You need to learn the difference between a civil liberty and a right.

    So owning a gun is a right and voting is a civil liberty? So you you need to show and Id for a right but not a civil liberty. Good Christ. You guys are pressing.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    It's just as much as a right as voting. Check the facts. The fact you pick and choose what you agree with is telling.

    I don't think blacks are less capable of getting an id. Only racists do an use that as an excuse.
    Now you're against big government? Wow
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    So we tell the underclass to work as hard as they can to better themselves economically, yet do things like restrict voting deadlines, add unnecessary requirements, and close DMV's in Metropolitan areas.

    So while they're working their ass off to improve their economic situation they should also find time to get new documentation, which was never necessary before, to take advantage of something guaranteed to every American.

    Seems hypocritical to me.

    People of all colors work their asses off to better themselves economically. Yet somehow they manage to get an ID ahead of time and vote when they need to.
  • TheHBTheHB Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,455 Swaye's Wigwam
    This whole discussion is mute in this economicism.
  • SandyHookerSandyHooker Member Posts: 343

    Y'all gettin caught up in the details which is fine, but its a much bigger issue

    I recommend reading The Naked Communist (1958)

    This will help you understand just what in the hell is going on these days

    If it's about the East German womens swim team, I'll pass
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    Now you're against big government? Wow
    I can't spoon feed you. Try to keep up.
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