The Race Thread

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I love conversations like this actually hurts the black race instead of helping them. You are crippling them by thinking they are so incompetent and so incapable of getting a simple ID.

So incompetent they can't spend 58 cents for a stamped envelope to mail out for the election.

If you purchase something over $50 and use your credit card you gotta show ID, when you drive you gotta show ID, when you enter a bar or a casino gotta have ID on you.

Yet when it comes to something so important like voting you don't need any ID at all? I don't buy that all.

doogsinparadise

Should everyone be able to get an ID for themselves: yes
Should there be a de facto fee on voting, i.e. poll tax: no

PurpleThrobber

allpurpleallgold said:

MikeDamone said:

allpurpleallgold said:

MikeDamone said:

We are lucky Race sets up his chess board here.

If you think that was Race playing chess then you're still playing checkers. Honest and thoughtful responses are fucking worthless.

Collegedoog- I thought you did a really nice job in these threads. I agree with a lot of what you've said. I thought you let these guys get away with a little to much but that's probably because you were trying to have a real conversation.

Of course you did....... Put away the checker board.

Lay out for us why registering with a birth certificate is

He_Needs_More_Time said:

I love conversations like this actually hurts the black race instead of helping them. You are crippling them by thinking they are so incompetent and so incapable of getting a simple ID.

So incompetent they can't spend 58 cents for a stamped envelope to mail out for the election.

If you purchase something over $50 and use your credit card you gotta show ID, when you drive you gotta show ID, when you enter a bar or a casino gotta have ID on you.

Yet when it comes to something so important like voting you don't need any ID at all? I don't buy that all.

And then the argument falls apart.

Brutha can find an ID to score a 40 of malt liquor but can't come up with one to elect the leader of the free world? Fuck that.

allpurpleallgold

He_Needs_More_Time said:

I love conversations like this actually hurts the black race instead of helping them. You are crippling them by thinking they are so incompetent and so incapable of getting a simple ID.

So incompetent they can't spend 58 cents for a stamped envelope to mail out for the election.

If you purchase something over $50 and use your credit card you gotta show ID, when you drive you gotta show ID, when you enter a bar or a casino gotta have ID on you.

Yet when it comes to something so important like voting you don't need any ID at all? I don't buy that all.

NOGAF.

RaceBannon

84 replies / 400 + views. Pretty much the 5 of us posting that are reading this. Gotta go with APAG here - NOGAF

allpurpleallgold

MikeDamone said:

allpurpleallgold said:

MikeDamone said:

allpurpleallgold said:

salemcoog said:

CollegeDoog said:

An obscure case in Florida or a microcosm of a greater problem? The media was on to it long before Obama commented on it. There were marches before before he said anything.


Voter ID laws are unnecessary. Voting is a civil liberty, ID requirements diminish that. If someone wants to vote the requirement should be citizenship, nothing beyond that. You're lying to yourself if you truly don't see the intention of these laws.

Nice justification of racial profiling.

Another dishonest post about race in America, and a dishonest representation of my arguments in this thread.

2) To make sure that they are who they say they are and only vote once. Because you see both political parties have been guilty of enticing votes of the poor with Cash or a pack of cigarettes. And the motivation for someone without a pot to piss in to vote at 9 different polls on election day can be strong.

Please provide all the cases of in person voter fraud. Thanks in advance.

It's sad that we don't think blacks are on capable of getting an ID.

voter fraud is rare because the system is working and keeping fraudulent ballots out. People have gone to prison for it though.

Should black people be able to buy a gun without an ID? That's a right. Seems racist to make them provide an ID to express a constitutional right.

You can save your blame flipping bullshit for Collegedoog. More blacks, by percentage, don't have ids. You say getting an id is all about being capable. Therefore you think blacks are less capable of getting ids. This is why real conversation with you guys is worthless.

Voter fraud is rare because the system is working therefore we need to add new laws to a system that's working. Sounds a lot like big government to me.

No one should be able to buy a gun. It's not a right. HTH.

It's just as much as a right as voting. Check the facts. The fact you pick and choose what you agree with is telling.

I don't think blacks are less capable of getting an id. Only racists do an use that as an excuse.

It's not about being capable. It's about the statistical fact that blacks are less likely to have identification than whites. It's about the motivation to create a law that would disproportionately affect blacks to solve a problem that does not exist. Why do we need this law? If anyone is capable of getting an id then why do we need to make them do that? What's the point? There is no voter fraud.

allpurpleallgold

RaceBannon said:

84 replies / 400 + views. Pretty much the 5 of us posting that are reading this. Gotta go with APAG here - NOGAF

I was referring to one persons a opinion. Not the topic.

RaceBannon

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

84 replies / 400 + views. Pretty much the 5 of us posting that are reading this. Gotta go with APAG here - NOGAF

I was referring to one persons a opinion. Not the topic.

I was referring to the topic. Not one persons opinion

RaceBannon

allpurpleallgold said:

MikeDamone said:

allpurpleallgold said:

MikeDamone said:

allpurpleallgold said:

salemcoog said:

CollegeDoog said:

An obscure case in Florida or a microcosm of a greater problem? The media was on to it long before Obama commented on it. There were marches before before he said anything.


Voter ID laws are unnecessary. Voting is a civil liberty, ID requirements diminish that. If someone wants to vote the requirement should be citizenship, nothing beyond that. You're lying to yourself if you truly don't see the intention of these laws.

Nice justification of racial profiling.

Another dishonest post about race in America, and a dishonest representation of my arguments in this thread.

2) To make sure that they are who they say they are and only vote once. Because you see both political parties have been guilty of enticing votes of the poor with Cash or a pack of cigarettes. And the motivation for someone without a pot to piss in to vote at 9 different polls on election day can be strong.

Please provide all the cases of in person voter fraud. Thanks in advance.

It's sad that we don't think blacks are on capable of getting an ID.

voter fraud is rare because the system is working and keeping fraudulent ballots out. People have gone to prison for it though.

Should black people be able to buy a gun without an ID? That's a right. Seems racist to make them provide an ID to express a constitutional right.

You can save your blame flipping bullshit for Collegedoog. More blacks, by percentage, don't have ids. You say getting an id is all about being capable. Therefore you think blacks are less capable of getting ids. This is why real conversation with you guys is worthless.

Voter fraud is rare because the system is working therefore we need to add new laws to a system that's working. Sounds a lot like big government to me.

No one should be able to buy a gun. It's not a right. HTH.

It's just as much as a right as voting. Check the facts. The fact you pick and choose what you agree with is telling.

I don't think blacks are less capable of getting an id. Only racists do an use that as an excuse.

It's not about being capable. It's about the statistical fact that blacks are less likely to have identification than whites. It's about the motivation to create a law that would disproportionately affect blacks to solve a problem that does not exist. Why do we need this law? If anyone is capable of getting an id then why do we need to make them do that? What's the point? There is no voter fraud.

We covered this. You need ID to register. And to buy booze rent a car use a credit card fly and a bunch of other shit. Someone that doesn't have ID to do all that isn't going to vote. The point is there is fraud and you want to keep it easy to defraud

loadsock

I'm for personal responsibility except when I'm against it.

Either way, it's interesting to see the concept selectively applied to frame an argument.