People living in poverty in America
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
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Would like to hear @creepycoug 's views on this subject.
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Let's start with facts then we can answer your question.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
1) there's been a net zero migration the last 10 years.
2) most illegals enter the country legally first then overstay their Visa.
3) the number of legal immigrants we allow each year is about 60,000.
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Someone's got to do America's cooking and cleaning.
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Don't forget bean picking.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Someone's got to do America's cooking and cleaning.
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FOS!2001400ex said:
Let's start with facts then we can answer your question.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
1) there's been a net zero migration the last 10 years.
2) most illegals enter the country legally first then overstay their Visa.
3) the number of legal immigrants we allow each year is about 60,000.
Ok? -
I think you mean Let’s start with raft of bullshit that doesn’t address a fucking word I said2001400ex said:
Let's start with facts then we can answer your question.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
1) there's been a net zero migration the last 10 years.
2) most illegals enter the country legally first then overstay their Visa.
3) the number of legal immigrants we allow each year is about 60,000.
Ok? -
It completely addresses what you said. But ok!SFGbob said:
I think you mean Let’s start with raft of bullshit that doesn’t address a fucking word I said2001400ex said:
Let's start with facts then we can answer your question.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
1) there's been a net zero migration the last 10 years.
2) most illegals enter the country legally first then overstay their Visa.
3) the number of legal immigrants we allow each year is about 60,000.
Ok? -
And of course, you couldn't have a Hondo post without him talking straight of of his ass.2001400ex said:
Let's start with facts then we can answer your question.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
1) there's been a net zero migration the last 10 years.
2) most illegals enter the country legally first then overstay their Visa.
3) the number of legal immigrants we allow each year is about 60,000.
Ok?
Since 2000, legal immigrants to the United States number approximately 1,000,000 per year, of whom about 600,000 are Change of Status who already are in the U.S. Legal immigrants to the United States now are at their highest level ever, at just over 37,000,000 legal immigrants. -
Here's a graph showing the total annual number of US legal immigrants has averaged over a million a year since 2000.
https://migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents
Hondo is full of shit.
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So I was wrong but so are you. I was talking permanent visas. Your number includes temporary and tourist visas. Here are the actual stats I was referring to. (Below is copy pasta). The number I was referring to are the work visas at 70k. I didn't include the families and low skilled workers. Either way, we were both wrong but it's not millions a year that your original contention was.SFGbob said:Here's a graph showing the total annual number of US legal immigrants has averaged over a million a year since 2000.
https://migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents
Hondo is full of shit.
The vast majority (about 80 percent) are tourist visas that are good for people to come and go up to six months at a time over a five-to-10-year period. People with tourist visas are almost always not allowed to the work in the U.S.
There are also temporary visas for students, diplomats, members of the media, fiancés, religious workers, victims of crime and more.
Another large group in the nonimmigrant category are employment visas. These can be transfers to the U.S. within international companies (70,000) and their families (86,000) and low-skilled seasonal workers (220,000).
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/04/19/gq-visas/ -
Hondo doubles down on dumbfuck.
This chart tracks the number of people who annually are granted legal permanent residence (also known as getting a green card). Green-card holders are permitted to live and work in the country indefinitely, to join the armed forces, and to apply for U.S. citizenship after five years (three if married to a U.S. citizen).
Foreign students and diplomats aren't granted permanent legal residence. You're either a liar or a fucking moron. Take your pick Hondo.
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Here you go:oregonblitzkrieg said:Would like to hear @creepycoug 's views on this subject.
Fuck off.
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Ok so it's about million a year.SFGbob said:Hondo doubles down on dumbfuck.
This chart tracks the number of people who annually are granted legal permanent residence (also known as getting a green card). Green-card holders are permitted to live and work in the country indefinitely, to join the armed forces, and to apply for U.S. citizenship after five years (three if married to a U.S. citizen).
Foreign students and diplomats aren't granted permanent legal residence. You're either a liar or a fucking moron. Take your pick Hondo. -
So you're both a liar and a dumbfuck.
Don't feel bad Hondo, you were only off by 940,000. Hell and I didn't even bother to check any of the other bullshit numbers you tossed out there I just knew immediately that you 60K number was complete bullshit. You net zero migration claim is also a fucking lie.
Btw, Nice touch with that lie about my number including tourist and temporary visa numbers. You've got a couple of other fellow liberal dipshits here that probably swayed. -
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious. -
Is it Friday yet?
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I'm quiet about the problems with the welfare state? You know me so fucking well its spooky -
@SFGbob did you just join HH to debate Hondo? Because if so you already lost by Hondo losing so much.
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Ok!!!SFGbob said:
I'm quiet about the problems with the welfare state? You know me so fucking well its spooky
As it relates to protecting American workers and wages from competitive labor, put up your own capital to the 'problem' and then get back to me. Until then, I'm not interested in the question. -
pay your own cotton pickers more if youre such a humanitariancreepycoug said:
Ok!!!SFGbob said:
I'm quiet about the problems with the welfare state? You know me so fucking well its spooky
As it relates to protecting American workers and wages from competitive labor, put up your own capital to the 'problem' and then get back to me. Until then, I'm not interested in the question.
yes i own 500 slaves so what -
Huh?SarkFanSixtyNine said:
pay your own cotton pickers more if youre such a humanitariancreepycoug said:
Ok!!!SFGbob said:
I'm quiet about the problems with the welfare state? You know me so fucking well its spooky
As it relates to protecting American workers and wages from competitive labor, put up your own capital to the 'problem' and then get back to me. Until then, I'm not interested in the question.
yes i own 500 slaves so what -
No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious. -
I've ran into a lot of strange fucks. I'm fine with you being homo.... Many of my friends are. But being into inanimate objects is just fucking weird.SFGbob said:No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious. -
Liar or moron Hondo? Or is it both?2001400ex said:
So I was wrong but so are you. I was talking permanent visas. Your number includes temporary and tourist visas. Here are the actual stats I was referring to. (Below is copy pasta). The number I was referring to are the work visas at 70k. I didn't include the families and low skilled workers. Either way, we were both wrong but it's not millions a year that your original contention was.SFGbob said:Here's a graph showing the total annual number of US legal immigrants has averaged over a million a year since 2000.
https://migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents
Hondo is full of shit.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/04/19/gq-visas/
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Yeah, that's probably the angle I'd go with as well Hondo after I'd just been exposed a lying dumbfuck. Kind of shocked you didn't go with the claim that you were just "trolling" me but coming up with a pathetic attempt to say I'm gay rather than admit you were talking squarely out your ass seems about right for you.2001400ex said:
I've ran into a lot of strange fucks. I'm fine with you being homo.... Many of my friends are. But being into inanimate objects is just fucking weird.SFGbob said:No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious. -
Oh shit oh mighty, the tin-foil hat, alt-facts, alt-media, alt-handle, xenophobe pussy who's afraid of labor competition because his white-trash friends and family can't cut it even with a head start found a new word. Good for you Bart!SFGbob said:No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious.
I wonder how many opportunities you'll find to play with your new word?
With every passing day, I care less and less and less about the plight of those who can't run with the bulls. The answer to your original "question"? Let them eat fucking cake. I don't care. -
You're pulling claims straight out of your ass. You have no idea what my position is on welfare, in fact you've already made numerous erroneous assumptions about what I supposedly believe and or want based entirely on the voices in your own head an not on anything I've said.creepycoug said:
Oh shit oh mighty, the tin-foil hat, alt-facts, alt-media, alt-handle, xenophobe pussy who's afraid of labor competition because his white-trash friends and family can't cut it even with a head start found a new word. Good for you Bart!SFGbob said:No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious.
I wonder how many opportunities you'll find to play with your new word?
With every passing day, I care less and less and less about the plight of those who can't run with the bulls. The answer to your original "question"? Let them eat fucking cake. I don't care. -
Ok. Just hang yourself.SFGbob said:
You're pulling claims straight out of your ass. You have no idea what my position is on welfare, in fact you've already made numerous erroneous assumptions about what I supposedly believe and or want based entirely on the voices in your own head an not on anything I've said.creepycoug said:
Oh shit oh mighty, the tin-foil hat, alt-facts, alt-media, alt-handle, xenophobe pussy who's afraid of labor competition because his white-trash friends and family can't cut it even with a head start found a new word. Good for you Bart!SFGbob said:No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious.
I wonder how many opportunities you'll find to play with your new word?
With every passing day, I care less and less and less about the plight of those who can't run with the bulls. The answer to your original "question"? Let them eat fucking cake. I don't care. -
Hey Coug, since you're obviously a mind reader what am I think right now?creepycoug said:
Ok. Just hang yourself.SFGbob said:
You're pulling claims straight out of your ass. You have no idea what my position is on welfare, in fact you've already made numerous erroneous assumptions about what I supposedly believe and or want based entirely on the voices in your own head an not on anything I've said.creepycoug said:
Oh shit oh mighty, the tin-foil hat, alt-facts, alt-media, alt-handle, xenophobe pussy who's afraid of labor competition because his white-trash friends and family can't cut it even with a head start found a new word. Good for you Bart!SFGbob said:No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious.
I wonder how many opportunities you'll find to play with your new word?
With every passing day, I care less and less and less about the plight of those who can't run with the bulls. The answer to your original "question"? Let them eat fucking cake. I don't care. -
You're wondering whether it's time to pull your head out of your ass so as to more easily hang yourself.SFGbob said:
Hey Coug, since you're obviously a mind reader what am I think right now?creepycoug said:
Ok. Just hang yourself.SFGbob said:
You're pulling claims straight out of your ass. You have no idea what my position is on welfare, in fact you've already made numerous erroneous assumptions about what I supposedly believe and or want based entirely on the voices in your own head an not on anything I've said.creepycoug said:
Oh shit oh mighty, the tin-foil hat, alt-facts, alt-media, alt-handle, xenophobe pussy who's afraid of labor competition because his white-trash friends and family can't cut it even with a head start found a new word. Good for you Bart!SFGbob said:No, I’m game for pretty much all comers. And You can’t really call what I’ve done with Hondo a debate.
Unless you consider someone who does noth
Sweet Geezus is there ever a gaggle of strawman ass fuckers on this board.creepycoug said:
Your first mistake was using the term "workers" to describe the considerable population of able-bodied Americans who would rather work the system than work their way out of poverty. But you and your friends probably don't care about that so much. Way more fun to focus on the much smaller problem of undocumented brownies.SFGbob said:Since the unwed mother angle of the thread below got started when someone cited Social Programs as a great way to eliminate poverty I thought I would toss out the question. What impact of allowing millions of illiterate, and low skilled into this country, many of them illegally, do you think has on the poverty rate of this country and what impact do you think these low skilled immigrants have on the existing wage base for low skilled American workers?
Do you think these existing workers are helped in their quest to get themselves out of poverty with this influx of immigrants or are they hurt by it?
Nobody wants uncontrolled immigration; but I find it terrible interesting that the people so obsessed with that issue are relatively quiet about the much bigger problem of the welfare state. The toothless hillbilly in Arkansas is a toothless hillbilly because he and his family suck; it has nothing to do with Pablo.
You also assume that immigration is zero/sum for domestic workers. It's not.
This country's system is based on competition; it is not meant to function on irrational guarantees of work and wages. If you want to pay people $55k a year + benies to pick fruit then you put up your capital and do it and quit whining.
Finally, if you're going to ask rhetorical questions, try and make them less obvious.
I wonder how many opportunities you'll find to play with your new word?
With every passing day, I care less and less and less about the plight of those who can't run with the bulls. The answer to your original "question"? Let them eat fucking cake. I don't care.
Amirite?
