The results are in on paradise
The kicker is at the end. Iowa is #1!
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So, California is gonna ship their homeless to Iowa, just to make it fair?
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California Dreamin' is not for sermon seekers.
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Iowa.
This guarantees that all other findings in this "study" are complete bullshit. -
Like, technically, it's pretty nice in SoCal so having a roof over one's head is sort of a flawed criteria.
I'm guessing 95% of the time, one could survive outside with a sleeping bag and be good if one were so inclined. It's not like fucking Great Falls, MT or someplace where you'd die six months out of the year.
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I can never quite figure out the Seattle bums. Now those San Diego bums have some common sense.PurpleThrobber said:Like, technically, it's pretty nice in SoCal so having a roof over one's head is sort of a flawed criteria.
I'm guessing 95% of the time, one could survive outside with a sleeping bag and be good if one were so inclined. It's not like fucking Great Falls, MT or someplace where you'd die six months out of the year. -
Salt Lake bums are hard core. These fuckers are sleeping like babies on the sidewalks downtown when I pass them in the morning. 10 degrees below freezing.YellowSnow said:
I can never quite figure out the Seattle bums. Now those San Diego bums have some common sense.PurpleThrobber said:Like, technically, it's pretty nice in SoCal so having a roof over one's head is sort of a flawed criteria.
I'm guessing 95% of the time, one could survive outside with a sleeping bag and be good if one were so inclined. It's not like fucking Great Falls, MT or someplace where you'd die six months out of the year. -
89ute said:
Salt Lake bums are hard core. These fuckers are sleeping like babies on the sidewalks downtown when IYellowSnow said:
I can never quite figure out the Seattle bums. Now those San Diego bums have some common sense.PurpleThrobber said:Like, technically, it's pretty nice in SoCal so having a roof over one's head is sort of a flawed criteria.
I'm guessing 95% of the time, one could survive outside with a sleeping bag and be good if one were so inclined. It's not like fucking Great Falls, MT or someplace where you'd die six months out of the year.passspit on them and tell them to get a fucking job in the morning. 10 degrees below freezing. -
CA is great if you are rich or well off, but pretty much sucks otherwise. Hot chicks though.
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California is actually not a bad place to be poor as I found out the hard way. It seems to be the middle that gets squeezed although I think that may be overblown.Swaye said:CA is great if you are rich or well off, but pretty much sucks otherwise. Hot chicks though.
The article said the top 1% pay 50% of the tax here. You need to be uber rich. Kind of rich and it stings. Under the threshold and living is easy. -
I was stationed in CA twice - once for a short while in Alameda before they closed it down (mid 90's), and again in the early to mid 2000's in Lemoore. I never really got the coastal CA experience, as Alameda was only for a year, and I actually lived in the Orinda/Moraga area then, and Lemoore is Lemoore, but what I did see seemed uber expensive, terribly congested, and full of elitist pricks. I was Navy at the time though so I was shielded from taxes, etc. Weather and chicks were fucking fantastic. Loved all the outdoor activities as well. Being a gun owner was a pain in the dick - had to leave half my guns with my two Dads and in the base armory since they were illegal in CA.RaceBannon said:
California is actually not a bad place to be poor as I found out the hard way. It seems to be the middle that gets squeezed although I think that may be overblown.Swaye said:CA is great if you are rich or well off, but pretty much sucks otherwise. Hot chicks though.
The article said the top 1% pay 50% of the tax here. You need to be uber rich. Kind of rich and it stings. Under the threshold and living is easy. -
California is descending into a world of shit much like any number of African countries have.
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A lot of the issue with California is simply over population. It was a lot easier to be middle class there when the population was something like 20 million instead of the nearly 40 million now.
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I blame messicans and dumb whites from the midwest for this.YellowSnow said:A lot of the issue with California is simply over population. It was a lot easier to be middle class there when the population was something like 20 million instead of the nearly 40 million now.
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When my dumb white ancestors got to Riverside from the Midwest there were only 30,000 residents. It was mostly a citrus (grove) party with few Messicans. They should have closed the gates when they had the chance.Swaye said:
I blame messicans and dumb whites from the midwest for this.YellowSnow said:A lot of the issue with California is simply over population. It was a lot easier to be middle class there when the population was something like 20 million instead of the nearly 40 million now.
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This.YellowSnow said:
When my dumb white ancestors got to Riverside from the Midwest there were only 30,000 residents. It was mostly a citrus (grove) party with few Messicans. They should have closed the gates when they had the chance.Swaye said:
I blame messicans and dumb whites from the midwest for this.YellowSnow said:A lot of the issue with California is simply over population. It was a lot easier to be middle class there when the population was something like 20 million instead of the nearly 40 million now.
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People in rural Oregon and Washington complain about Californians moving there
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30 years ago in reliably red Colorado all the good old boys in the mountains were concerned about all the Californians flooding into the Denver area fucking up the state. Now it's a purple state trending blue. Guess they were right to be concerned.RaceBannon said:People in rural Oregon and Washington complain about Californians moving there
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My ex-wife was from Iowa, so I spent some time there. Iowa suuuuuuuuucks.
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If I remember correctly the signs and bumperstickers were "Don't Californicate Washington" - too late now
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Being upper middle class in California is like being mid to lower-middle class most other places. I can afford to rent a decent place but I can't afford to buy one. The truly shitty part is that the state still tax me as though I was in that 95th percentile of income earners. The upside is that it's 70 degrees year round and I'm a half-mile from the beach.
I'd move back to Seattle but it sounds like they are doing their best to transform that into an extension of the bay area. -
This is precisely why I will never move back to Seattle. It's like all the bad parts of CA, but without any of the good weather or hot chicks.UW_Doog_Bot said:Being upper middle class in California is like being mid to lower-middle class most other places. I can afford to rent a decent place but I can't afford to buy one. The truly shitty part is that the state still tax me as though I was in that 95th percentile of income earners. The upside is that it's 70 degrees year round and I'm a half-mile from the beach.
I'd move back to Seattle but it sounds like they are doing their best to transform that into an extension of the bay area. -
Calling BS on this one. 95th percentile income earner in CA makes $230K. 95th percentile nationally is $195K. You can't find a decent place with a $195K salary?UW_Doog_Bot said:Being upper middle class in California is like being mid to lower-middle class most other places. I can afford to rent a decent place but I can't afford to buy one. The truly shitty part is that the state still tax me as though I was in that 95th percentile of income earners. The upside is that it's 70 degrees year round and I'm a half-mile from the beach.
I'd move back to Seattle but it sounds like they are doing their best to transform that into an extension of the bay area. -
He probably has an issue with the hard 20% down payment.BearsWiin said:
Calling BS on this one. 95th percentile income earner in CA makes $230K. 95th percentile nationally is $195K. You can't find a decent place with a $195K salary?UW_Doog_Bot said:Being upper middle class in California is like being mid to lower-middle class most other places. I can afford to rent a decent place but I can't afford to buy one. The truly shitty part is that the state still tax me as though I was in that 95th percentile of income earners. The upside is that it's 70 degrees year round and I'm a half-mile from the beach.
I'd move back to Seattle but it sounds like they are doing their best to transform that into an extension of the bay area.
We bought our first house with a 5% we borrowed from Mom. Course that was a homestead but still
The housing market is not that unreasonable depending where you are at -
Except that you don't need 20% down. It helps get preferential rates and gets you out of having to pay PMI, but it's not necessary.RaceBannon said:
He probably has an issue with the hard 20% down payment.BearsWiin said:
Calling BS on this one. 95th percentile income earner in CA makes $230K. 95th percentile nationally is $195K. You can't find a decent place with a $195K salary?UW_Doog_Bot said:Being upper middle class in California is like being mid to lower-middle class most other places. I can afford to rent a decent place but I can't afford to buy one. The truly shitty part is that the state still tax me as though I was in that 95th percentile of income earners. The upside is that it's 70 degrees year round and I'm a half-mile from the beach.
I'd move back to Seattle but it sounds like they are doing their best to transform that into an extension of the bay area.
We bought our first house with a 5% we borrowed from Mom. Course that was a homestead but still
The housing market is not that unreasonable depending where you are at
I live in an extremely unreasonable area, and I can go on MLSListings.com right now and find many "decent" places that somebody with a $200K salary can afford. -
You should DM himBearsWiin said:
Except that you don't need 20% down. It helps get preferential rates and gets you out of having to pay PMI, but it's not necessary.RaceBannon said:
He probably has an issue with the hard 20% down payment.BearsWiin said:
Calling BS on this one. 95th percentile income earner in CA makes $230K. 95th percentile nationally is $195K. You can't find a decent place with a $195K salary?UW_Doog_Bot said:Being upper middle class in California is like being mid to lower-middle class most other places. I can afford to rent a decent place but I can't afford to buy one. The truly shitty part is that the state still tax me as though I was in that 95th percentile of income earners. The upside is that it's 70 degrees year round and I'm a half-mile from the beach.
I'd move back to Seattle but it sounds like they are doing their best to transform that into an extension of the bay area.
We bought our first house with a 5% we borrowed from Mom. Course that was a homestead but still
The housing market is not that unreasonable depending where you are at
I live in an extremely unreasonable area, and I can go on MLSListings.com right now and find many "decent" places that somebody with a $200K salary can afford.
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The housing and job markets are pretty closely tied together. If homes are cheap around you it's because the job market isn't great.
It as if people use their pay to make rent and mortgage payments. -
I forgot Iowa was actually a thing until this thread
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We talking what 200K will buy you with or without kids in daycare? Yuge difference there between what the Dinks can afford and those of that paying through the nose for childcare.BearsWiin said:
Except that you don't need 20% down. It helps get preferential rates and gets you out of having to pay PMI, but it's not necessary.RaceBannon said:
He probably has an issue with the hard 20% down payment.BearsWiin said:
Calling BS on this one. 95th percentile income earner in CA makes $230K. 95th percentile nationally is $195K. You can't find a decent place with a $195K salary?UW_Doog_Bot said:Being upper middle class in California is like being mid to lower-middle class most other places. I can afford to rent a decent place but I can't afford to buy one. The truly shitty part is that the state still tax me as though I was in that 95th percentile of income earners. The upside is that it's 70 degrees year round and I'm a half-mile from the beach.
I'd move back to Seattle but it sounds like they are doing their best to transform that into an extension of the bay area.
We bought our first house with a 5% we borrowed from Mom. Course that was a homestead but still
The housing market is not that unreasonable depending where you are at
I live in an extremely unreasonable area, and I can go on MLSListings.com right now and find many "decent" places that somebody with a $200K salary can afford. -
Black eye for @FerentzHWAKEye imoCuntWaffle said:I forgot Iowa was actually a thing until this thread
