Abortion
Murder? How so? Ok in cases of rape/incest?
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
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I'm hearing the Reverend Graham will lie in honor in the Capital Rotunda. Paul Ryan just announced this. Just what I'm hearing so don't twist.
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We are a nation of laws
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Always been a fan.
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I'm more into retroactive abortions myself but to each his own
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Let's just defund planned Parenthood since they sell dead babies and shit.
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Hence my position2001400ex said:Let's just defund planned Parenthood since they sell dead babies and shit.
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creepycoug said:
Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it" -
You do know that once past the age of viability, that it's federally illegal to have an abortion, right?dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
Not saying I agree with abortion. But there's a common perception that you can have abortions at any time and that's not true. -
What does this have to do with anything I said?2001400ex said:
You do know that once past the age of viability, that it's federally illegal to have an abortion, right?dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
Not saying I agree with abortion. But there's a common perception that you can have abortions at any time and that's not true. -
Without abortion we'd have more losers than we already have.
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Apparently Hillary thought it was important to adddnc said:
What does this have to do with anything I said?2001400ex said:
You do know that once past the age of viability, that it's federally illegal to have an abortion, right?dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
Not saying I agree with abortion. But there's a common perception that you can have abortions at any time and that's not true. -
This is undoubtedly true.Swaye said:Without abortion we'd have more losers than we already have.
But enough about Hondo and Sledog's kids. -
Nothing says "poor womb environment" like a vacuum to the face.Swaye said:Without abortion we'd have more losers than we already have.
Why do you hate fast strategy athletes? -
It should never happen after 20 weeks unless there's a valid medical reason for it.
That said, there were some right wingnuts who used to protest at a clinic about a mile from my crib. Idiots. Get a life. I also don't care for all the slutbags with VD who get free ones at PP, but I suppose it beats more products of single moms many of whom are a drain on society.
Also, overblown intentionally divisive issue, and people who vote exclusively or mostly on it are morons -
2001400ex said:
You do know that once past the age of viability, that it's federally illegal to have an abortion, right?dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
Not saying I agree with abortion. But there's a common perception that you can have abortions at any time and that's not true.
What else does Hillary want us to know about what your mother should have done? -
If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
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If I don't want to pay for the kid then you should be forced to get an abortion.
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Chris Hitchens used to say that at a certain point the fetus deserved a say in its right to live. As a practical matter I think it should be safe, rare and legal early on. But I think anything after 10-12 weeks is morally and ethically wrong unless Mom's health is danger or birth defects are probable.dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
I don't have a uterus but I married someone who does and have been to plenty of pre 12 week ultrasounds. It's a living being at that point which should have rights. -
Just adding to the discussion when you are talking about sonograms and still births.dnc said:
What does this have to do with anything I said?2001400ex said:
You do know that once past the age of viability, that it's federally illegal to have an abortion, right?dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
Not saying I agree with abortion. But there's a common perception that you can have abortions at any time and that's not true. -
i'm inUWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
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Your obsession is noted. Why are you so full of hate?pawz said:2001400ex said:
You do know that once past the age of viability, that it's federally illegal to have an abortion, right?dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
Not saying I agree with abortion. But there's a common perception that you can have abortions at any time and that's not true.
What else does Hillary want us to know about what your mother should have done? -
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The Bill Clinton theory. Its a good one. If you can't figure out you want an abortion by week 20 you have issues.
The argument in favor of abortion for the man of faith is the carnage that back alley abortions would bring.
I also agree with @dnc that the sonogram has an effect on the debate. Its a baby when its yours its a tissue mass when it is someone else's -
Tadpole Lives Matter!YellowSnow said:
Chris Hitchens used to say that at a certain point the fetus deserved a say in its right to live. As a practical matter I think it should be safe, rare and legal early on. But I think anything after 10-12 weeks is morally and ethically wrong unless Mom's health is danger or birth defects are probable.dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
I don't have a uterus but I married someone who does and have been to plenty of pre 12 week ultrasounds. It's a living being at that point which should have rights. -
Monkey tadpoles are more important than Kermit ones.BearsWiin said:
Tadpole Lives Matter!YellowSnow said:
Chris Hitchens used to say that at a certain point the fetus deserved a say in its right to live. As a practical matter I think it should be safe, rare and legal early on. But I think anything after 10-12 weeks is morally and ethically wrong unless Mom's health is danger or birth defects are probable.dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
I don't have a uterus but I married someone who does and have been to plenty of pre 12 week ultrasounds. It's a living being at that point which should have rights. -
Let me help you self-righteous assholes out of your mental sling:dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
If it's wrong it's wrong. 1 week, 20 weeks, whatever. You'll never draw a morally meaningful line, and this isn't the drinking age we're talking about.
If it's murder, there is absolutely zero justification for it. It's not hard to justify. You can't. Rape, incest, losers having more babies ... those are all irrelevant - completely - if we're talking about murder. Unless, that is, you fail to take it as axiomatic that innocent people shouldn't be expendable due to the misdeeds of others.
I'm not saying you don't care enuff. I'm saying you're duplicitous and full-of-shit. Either that, or you're a fucking coward who would stand by and watch someone snuff out a three-year old. It's one or the other if you're in the MURDER camp. You can't wriggle out of it. Nobody cares about your "conversations" - people are DYING!!!!!!!! Nobody cares if you "support" pro life groups; they're only slightly less cowardly than you. To be clear: you both think that mass genocide is happening in clearly identifiable clinics everywhere, and here you sit on HCH with a bunch of degenerates, and all they do is make weird signs and stand around. COWARDS! You should all be gunned up and DOING SOMETHING! But you're not because you actually don't equate what's happening in those clinics with the snuffing out of a five-year old. You just won't admit it.
To save the mother's life? WTF? Are you on crack? Is it ok to walk down the street and snuff out an innocent person to save someone's life? That baby, imbued with full person rights care of you and your friends, has zero responsibility for that woman's predicament. She chose to get pregs, and taking that "child's" life is no more justifiable than taking someone else's. You can't go kill someone to give your dying relative an organ. Sorry. That does not work.
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Male birth control man. When the fuck is it gonna happen
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I hate it when Drug court is slow.
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Contraceptives are cheap and easy to attain. They just need not be given out to HS students. However should be available at bars like a breath mint.UWhuskytskeet said:If you are against abortion you should be in favor of cheap and easily accessible birth control. If you support abstinence only education you are retarded.
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Fuck off Tequillacreepycoug said:
Let me help you self-righteous assholes out of your mental sling:dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
If it's wrong it's wrong. 1 week, 20 weeks, whatever. You'll never draw a morally meaningful line, and this isn't the drinking age we're talking about.
If it's murder, there is absolutely zero justification for it. It's not hard to justify. You can't. Rape, incest, losers having more babies ... those are all irrelevant - completely - if we're talking about murder. Unless, that is, you fail to take it as axiomatic that innocent people shouldn't be expendable due to the misdeeds of others.
I'm not saying you don't care enuff. I'm saying you're duplicitous and full-of-shit. Either that, or you're a fucking coward who would stand by and watch someone snuff out a three-year old. It's one or the other if you're in the MURDER camp. You can't wriggle out of it. Nobody cares about your "conversations" - people are DYING!!!!!!!! Nobody cares if you "support" pro life groups; they're only slightly less cowardly than you. To be clear: you both think that mass genocide is happening in clearly identifiable clinics everywhere, and here you sit on HCH with a bunch of degenerates, and all they do is make weird signs and stand around. COWARDS! You should all be gunned up and DOING SOMETHING! But you're not because you actually don't equate what's happening in those clinics with the snuffing out of a five-year old. You just won't admit it.
To save the mother's life? WTF? Are you on crack? Is it ok to walk down the street and snuff out an innocent person to save someone's life? That baby, imbued with full person rights care of you and your friends, has zero responsibility for that woman's predicament. She chose to get pregs, and taking that "child's" life is no more justifiable than taking someone else's. You can't go kill someone to give your dying relative an organ. Sorry. That does not work.
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It's easy to draw a line. When God decides to snuff out a fetus, it's almost always done in the first trimester. After that it becomes much rarer.creepycoug said:
Let me help you self-righteous assholes out of your mental sling:dnc said:creepycoug said:Since the Tug is a little slow today:
Murder? Yes How so? Ends the life of a human. Having sat in on my wife's sonograms, I can't imagine someone ending those little lives. Having had many friends and family members who have dealt with miscarriages (and the stillbirth of a nephew), I can tell you those were deaths of real lives to those parents.
This is a chinteresting piece on how modern scientific technology is boosting the arguments against abortion.
Ok in cases of rape/incest? Not sure. Hard to justify. Also hard to tell someone who's been violated that they have to pay the price for nine more months for something they haven't done. If it was my wife/daughter I'd probably tell them it best to still have the baby if they can find the courage. I wouldn't campaign for it to be illegal in those cases though. And I believe it's absolutely justifiable to abort a baby to save the mother's life, though you didn't bring that up.
Also, if you think so, what are you doing here? Why are you not down at the clinics exercising your second amendment rights to bear arms and interfere in what amounts to murder? Isn't it the moral equivalent of standing by while a day care center down the street practices youth-in-asia?
This is a chinteresting argument. Usually I and others like me get told we care too damn much about abortion. You're saying we don't care enough. You may be right. Personally I care about it a lot. I support pro life groups, especially those who promote the womb to tomb model. I advocate for adoption. I have had many conversations with people of all types about my reasoning on abortion. I'd say it's my largest political concern.
That one issue still wasn't big enough to get me to vote for Donald Trump though.
Genuinely (not really) curious what you fuck faces think about this.
PS: American private enterprise can build highways you dumb fucks.
"I don't get it"
If it's wrong it's wrong. 1 week, 20 weeks, whatever. You'll never draw a morally meaningful line, and this isn't the drinking age we're talking about.
If it's murder, there is absolutely zero justification for it. It's not hard to justify. You can't. Rape, incest, losers having more babies ... those are all irrelevant - completely - if we're talking about murder. Unless, that is, you fail to take it as axiomatic that innocent people shouldn't be expendable due to the misdeeds of others.
I'm not saying you don't care enuff. I'm saying you're duplicitous and full-of-shit. Either that, or you're a fucking coward who would stand by and watch someone snuff out a three-year old. It's one or the other if you're in the MURDER camp. You can't wriggle out of it. Nobody cares about your "conversations" - people are DYING!!!!!!!! Nobody cares if you "support" pro life groups; they're only slightly less cowardly than you. To be clear: you both think that mass genocide is happening in clearly identifiable clinics everywhere, and here you sit on HCH with a bunch of degenerates, and all they do is make weird signs and stand around. COWARDS! You should all be gunned up and DOING SOMETHING! But you're not because you actually don't equate what's happening in those clinics with the snuffing out of a five-year old. You just won't admit it.
To save the mother's life? WTF? Are you on crack? Is it ok to walk down the street and snuff out an innocent person to save someone's life? That baby, imbued with full person rights care of you and your friends, has zero responsibility for that woman's predicament. She chose to get pregs, and taking that "child's" life is no more justifiable than taking someone else's. You can't go kill someone to give your dying relative an organ. Sorry. That does not work.
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