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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,268 Founders Club
    Repeal Prop 13!! Now more than ever!!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    Greedy asshole leftists want more of the people money to pay for stupid shit like trains to nowhereville and illegal immigrants education, welfare, school and legal defense from deportation by the feds. That shit ain't American.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    The blue states could also help out its citizens by lowering their state taxes. Just a suggestion...
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,268 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    Greedy asshole leftists want more of the people money to pay for stupid shit like trains to nowhereville and illegal immigrants education, welfare, school and legal defense from deportation by the feds. That shit ain't American.

    What your talking about? Road, bridges, dams, and trains to nowhere are as American as apple pie.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,072
    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
    For Hondo, The struggle is always real.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    I heard we had to pay for the tax cuts
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I heard we had to pay for the tax cuts

    You won't because you'll be dead before anyone bothers to pay down the debt.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
    So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.

    The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.

    For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886

    And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!

    Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.


    Nega, please.




    Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    The blue states could also help out its citizens by lowering their state taxes. Just a suggestion...
    Or we could downsize the role of the federal government to common defense and currency management— essentially eliminating the entire wasteful federal edifice — and let States govern themselves how they want. Just a suggestion. You and California can finally be free of each other.

    Btw, sen. Cornyn just said he anticipates at least two more FY2018 CRs on top of the four passed already. What’s the point? Just shut it all down once and for all in the name of common sense and efficiency.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    2001400ex said:

    I heard we had to pay for the tax cuts

    You won't because you'll be dead before anyone bothers to pay down the debt.

    History suggests race wont be dying any time soon



    Hondo wrong again.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
    So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.

    The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.

    For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886

    And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!

    Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.


    Nega, please.




    Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.
    So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.

    I don't know any poor people that pay more than $10k a year in state income tax. But ok!!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    I heard we had to pay for the tax cuts

    You won't because you'll be dead before anyone bothers to pay down the debt.
    Which was run up by your guy! But then it was OK.........
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    This was pretty funny:

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is concerned about state efforts to get around the tax law.

    That fucker just has that "cat that ate the bird" look on him that screams "i'm completely getting away with murder because I'm good at math." and his wife is hot too, despite the fact that he's got salemkewg-like looks.

    I want to be Mnuchin. My fucking hero.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    Sledog said:

    Greedy asshole leftists want more of the people money to pay for stupid shit like trains to nowhereville and illegal immigrants education, welfare, school and legal defense from deportation by the feds. That shit ain't American.

    Agreed. They should have been investing in your education.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    edited January 2018

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.

    If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.

    Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?

    Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    To the uneducated. There was a standard amount based on your income to add if you lived in Washington to deduct for income tax. Plus they allowed you to deduct sales tax on large purchases. To "level the playing field" as you suggest.
    So, what you're saying is Washington residents were capped by whatever the standard deduct for their taxable income but Cali residents weren't.

    The sales tax deduction was a fraction of what state income tax payers were allowed to take as a deduction.

    For someone at the $200K income range, 1 Exemption, the 'standard' sales tax deduction for 2017 was $1,886

    And that's comparable to a Cali resident who could take the full boat deduction on their, let's say, 5% state income tax (actually way higher but we'll keep it simple) of around $10,000 plus?!?!

    Maff sucks, I know. For the uneducated.


    Nega, please.




    Plus sales tax on large purchases. I think your $1,886 is low because mine was higher than that in 16. But I don't give enough shits to look it up.
    So you're in favor of regressive sales taxes that also encourage the poor to go into debt buying things they don't need.

    Yes. Someone's gotta buy the shit, and I pay enough in taxes. I don't need to help my brother kewg live out his golden years in comfort down in Salem any more than I already have.

    Let me be clear: I want to keep what I earn in the FREE market place (real or pretend), and I want to share it with NOBODY. I don't care about other people's problems.

    I'm a REAL conservative. Most of these bananas are union-loving protectionist brown shirt commies who want my stuff w/o having to work for it.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    The blue states could also help out its citizens by lowering their state taxes. Just a suggestion...
    Or we could downsize the role of the federal government to common defense and currency management— essentially eliminating the entire wasteful federal edifice — and let States govern themselves how they want. Just a suggestion. You and California can finally be free of each other.

    Btw, sen. Cornyn just said he anticipates at least two more FY2018 CRs on top of the four passed already. What’s the point? Just shut it all down once and for all in the name of common sense and efficiency.
    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.

    Worked well in Kansas.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    2001400ex said:

    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.

    Worked well in Kansas.
    The time and true HondoFS response completely oblivious to reality, as if Kansas is in some kind of crisis compared states (in real trouble) like Illinois.

    https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,072

    2001400ex said:

    Right. To help pay for large corporate tax cuts. They capped the state tax deduction at $10k. Meaning people who pay significantly more than that, will pay more in taxes on the plan. And most of those people are small business owners. Nice work!!

    Why should someone who lives in the People's Republic of California have any greater ability to deduct state taxes than someone who lives in, like, Wyoming or Washington where there isn't any state income tax?

    The $10K cap is more than a fair compromise.

    Fuck off. State's rights buddy boy. Just like Scalia argued for years in his abortion case dissents. He never said once that it should be federally banned. He always positioned his argument on state's rights. Whether he was being disingenuous or not, I'll leave to you.

    If the ability to use a hoover and a spoon relative to "sanctity of life" matters is merely a function of hitting the right state line, then surely the far less aggressive extension of governmental in personam jurisdiction to tax must be left to the states.

    Why do you hate the federal republic man? Why? Why?

    Let us build our loop holes and mind your own business. Please.
    I'm sorry you hate maff too.

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    One good side effect of the tax plan is that it will put pressure on high tax state governments to lower their taxes, which leads to smaller government and further weakening of democrats.

    Worked well in Kansas.
    The time and true HondoFS response completely oblivious to reality, as if Kansas is in some kind of crisis compared states (in real trouble) like Illinois.

    https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
    The discussion was not about the financial health of the state. Thanks for playing tho.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    I'm in favor of retroactive abortions. But then this place wouldn't exist.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    I'm in favor of retroactive abortions. But then this place wouldn't exist.

    You are not the reason this place exists.

    HTH