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Vegas terror attack

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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    Sledog said:

    Watching the video the rate of fire sounds like about 5-600 RPM. That would match the AK. The M-16 is as high as 750 RPM. Could be any number of guns though. Possible it's a semi-auto with a crank trigger device or slide fire stock. Rate of fire seems to vary. Just watched another video with a pretty long string of fire. Pretty consistent. If this is an ISIS op, guy doesn't fit the profile, any kind of weapon would be possible. Guns are easy to get over the border.

    Yeah, this is Mexico's fault. Good call....
    Yes the border is of serious concern. Terrorists can easily move men and equipment.

    What will you say if it's one of Obozo's fast and furious guns? I think they have accounted for more deaths than this including a U.S. Border patrolmen but I'm sure you expressed your outrage.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.

    How the fuck was this guy able to transport 12 AR's into his hotel room in vegas?
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,354 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    No gun laws would have stopped this as he obviously had illegal automatic weapons. Curious to see how the media spins it. I hate when they make political statements out of dead people. They will blame someone or something.

    It's possible he had them legally, either by license or more likely, he could have fitted the gun(s) with bump fire stock(s), which are completely legal. These are inexpensive stocks that float, using recoil to allow for very rapid semi-automatic fire, nearly as rapid as fully automatic rifles fire. If you listen to the video footage, the rate of fire seems to vary quite a bit. This would be consistent with a semi-automatic rifle being fired with a bump fire stock.

    But who knows, maybe he illegally modified the rifles or bought fully automatic weapons illegally. Really doesn't matter now, the fucker killed and maimed a lot of people. Apparently the sick fuck had at least ten rifles in his room, and he killed himself before before being shot or apprehended. Total coward. No doubt this was an act of terrorism. There is no other way to accurately describe it. Only question is whether it was domestic or foreign in nature.

    @Swaye, excellent poast on both the gun control and abortion issues. Spot on, reasonableness in politics is gone.
    By all chindications, it's domestic. The shooter was a 64 year old white guy from Mesquite, NV.
    Agree, it's not likely he was a last minute convert to the religion of peace making a pact with the ISIS AIDS. Card carrying AntiFa member seems a strong runner up, given the crowd he chose to take aim at. Or he could be another Bernie supporter shooting at "Republicans" on the field. Most likely he was just straight up whack job, which in this case is redundant abundance.
    Why does it have to be a liberal out a Muslim? So you think conservatives aren't fucked up too? There's no fucked up Christians?

    For fucks sakes. How about we all agree on one thing. There's fucking wackos in every party and religion.
    Hey dumbass, I poasted that he was likely a straight up whack job. But context is everything. He was shooting into a crowd of country western music fans. If he was motivated by hate, although remotely possible, it is highly unlikely that he was deriving his hatred towards that crowd from a conservative or christian point of view.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited October 2017
    We need to start with a massive buyback program. Too many guns are in circulation.

    Then go from there. NRA and the GOP will kill all of it tho
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    What amount of money do you suppose we could have offered this clown to turn in his guns?
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    dhdawg said:

    I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.

    How the fuck was this guy able to transport 12 AR's into his hotel room in vegas?

    I was in Vegas 3 weeks ago and I can't speak for Mandalay Bay but I was in the Venetian and the don't care what's in your bags. Im sure this is going to make things change a lot like 9/11 did with the airports but I have no idea how they would regulate it.

    The guy lives 80 miles from Vegas too so it's not like he had to go through a airport. He could have made multiple trips to bring everything in... who knows but it's really not that farfetched that he was able to get them into his room.
    Yeah. It's gonna change. For good or for bad
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.

    How the fuck was this guy able to transport 12 AR's into his hotel room in vegas?

    You could pack 6 into a suit-hanger bag, rather easily.
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,354 Founders Club
    edited October 2017
    BearsWiin said:

    AZDuck said:

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    Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.

    Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.
    Agree. He had 20,000 plus targets standing in rows, mostly shoulder to shoulder and he was positioned 32 floors up from the ground. No marksmanship required. All he had to do is send a spray of bullets into that crowd. Fucking sickening.