Vegas terror attack
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BTW isis now claiming credit for the shooting
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ISIS claims credit for everything. It's one of the traits they share with the President.
And we'll wait to see about "illegal weapon." An AR-15 is super easy to mod to make automatic. And a shooter that is even slightly trained can achieve a rate of fire that is as fast as the "burst" setting on the military version, the M-4.
Also, who knows about whether gun registration and licensing would have been effective or not. Registration, licensing, and safety laws have dramatically lowered the death rate for cars since 1960. I think we should try to do the same with guns.
But really, I think the onus is on everyone who thinks that the current non-system of firearms regulation is good should tell the rest of us how we can stop having mass shootings all the fucking time.
It's doable, the evidence is out there. -
No, they dont. That's sort of the point
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que?doogie said:No, they dont. That's sort of the point
what is the "they" and what is the "that," and what is "the point"?
There is no definite subject or object in either of your sentences.
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Fuck you are stupid. Educate yourself.doogie said:The shooter was in possession of an illegal weapon and used it for illegal purposes.
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Wow even more baseless emotion void of coherent thought2001400ex said:
Fuck you are stupid. Educate yourself.doogie said:The shooter was in possession of an illegal weapon and used it for illegal purposes.
Not a single additional gun law would have done shit.
You could list a specific gun law that would have been in place on Friday that would have prevented this shooting -
Run over to the gun store and buy a machine gun. Let me know how that goes.AZDuck said:Shooter was 64 year old white guy. As usual.i knew it wasn't Muslims because he actually hit his targets. Also, his name was "Steven Paddock." Not really Mooslumy. Maybe a recent convert, but more likely a pissed off old white and rich guy.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting
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Country music is mostly conservatives. It'll be interesting to see what the motive is.Swaye said:I am just wondering what the motivator was at this point...recent muslim convert as old white guy? Racist? Anti NWO nut job? Antifa loser who wanted to kill rednecks at a country concert? Pissed off gay guy who hates Trump? Pissed off Trump supporter who hates gays? Or maybe just some mentally deranged lunatic who didn't have a cause but wanted to kill people?
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GOP softball teams are mostly conservative too so what's your pointSledog said:
Country music is mostly conservatives. It'll be interesting to see what the motive is.Swaye said:I am just wondering what the motivator was at this point...recent muslim convert as old white guy? Racist? Anti NWO nut job? Antifa loser who wanted to kill rednecks at a country concert? Pissed off gay guy who hates Trump? Pissed off Trump supporter who hates gays? Or maybe just some mentally deranged lunatic who didn't have a cause but wanted to kill people?
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I see you still don't know anything about firearms or the laws pertaining to them.AZDuck said:ISIS claims credit for everything. It's one of the traits they share with the President.
And we'll wait to see about "illegal weapon." An AR-15 is super easy to mod to make automatic. And a shooter that is even slightly trained can achieve a rate of fire that is as fast as the "burst" setting on the military version, the M-4.
Also, who knows about whether gun registration and licensing would have been effective or not. Registration, licensing, and safety laws have dramatically lowered the death rate for cars since 1960. I think we should try to do the same with guns.
But really, I think the onus is on everyone who thinks that the current non-system of firearms regulation is good should tell the rest of us how we can stop having mass shootings all the fucking time.
It's doable, the evidence is out there. -
If 250 round magazines didn't exist and only five round magazines were accessable to the public like how they are sold in "hunting AR's" today then this shooting still happens, but is much slower and much less lethal.
You could say they would make their own (they wouldn't) or they would get them from outside the US (not likely).
People have ALWAYS gone crazy and guns have always existed. Look at the mass shooting numbers during the Brady Bill era and compare them to the period after them. When crazy has way more fucking rounds without having to stop to reload or even aim to wipe out hordes of people that's a common sense foul.
Why can't you walk into Wal-Mart and buy a hand grenade? You know the fucking answer, but there is a pause when people talk about taking away 250 round barrel magazines. That's fucking retarded. News flash, an AR with 250 rounds is much more deadly than a hand grenade, yet hand grenades are way too dangerous to sell to the general public.
I own more guns than 90% of America, but I'm not stupid. This has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. -
Watching the video the rate of fire sounds like about 5-600 RPM. That would match the AK. The M-16 is as high as 750 RPM. Could be any number of guns though. Possible it's a semi-auto with a crank trigger device or slide fire stock. Rate of fire seems to vary. Just watched another video with a pretty long string of fire. Pretty consistent. If this is an ISIS op, guy doesn't fit the profile, any kind of weapon would be possible. Guns are easy to get over the border.
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Fuck man I was down with my cousins on the strip last night
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Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism. -
And you're allowed the coach children?Mosster47 said:If 250 round magazines didn't exist and only five round magazines were accessable to the public like how they are sold in "hunting AR's" today then this shooting still happens, but is much slower and much less lethal.
You could say they would make their own (they wouldn't) or they would get them from outside the US (not likely).
People have ALWAYS gone crazy and guns have always existed. Look at the mass shooting numbers during the Brady Bill era and compare them to the period after them. When crazy has way more fucking rounds without having to stop to reload or even aim to wipe out hordes of people that's a common sense foul.
Why can't you walk into Wal-Mart and buy a hand grenade? You know the fucking answer, but there is a pause when people talk about taking away 250 round barrel magazines. That's fucking retarded. News flash, an AR with 250 rounds is much more deadly than a hand grenade, yet hand grenades are way too dangerous to sell to the general public.
I own more guns than 90% of America, but I'm not stupid. This has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. -
Guns, booze, smokes, and porn are all legal big guy.doogie said:
And you're allowed the coach children?Mosster47 said:If 250 round magazines didn't exist and only five round magazines were accessable to the public like how they are sold in "hunting AR's" today then this shooting still happens, but is much slower and much less lethal.
You could say they would make their own (they wouldn't) or they would get them from outside the US (not likely).
People have ALWAYS gone crazy and guns have always existed. Look at the mass shooting numbers during the Brady Bill era and compare them to the period after them. When crazy has way more fucking rounds without having to stop to reload or even aim to wipe out hordes of people that's a common sense foul.
Why can't you walk into Wal-Mart and buy a hand grenade? You know the fucking answer, but there is a pause when people talk about taking away 250 round barrel magazines. That's fucking retarded. News flash, an AR with 250 rounds is much more deadly than a hand grenade, yet hand grenades are way too dangerous to sell to the general public.
I own more guns than 90% of America, but I'm not stupid. This has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.
Touch some grass though and your life is over. -
Yeah smuggling drugs doesn't happen.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism. -
Yeah, this is Mexico's fault. Good call....Sledog said:Watching the video the rate of fire sounds like about 5-600 RPM. That would match the AK. The M-16 is as high as 750 RPM. Could be any number of guns though. Possible it's a semi-auto with a crank trigger device or slide fire stock. Rate of fire seems to vary. Just watched another video with a pretty long string of fire. Pretty consistent. If this is an ISIS op, guy doesn't fit the profile, any kind of weapon would be possible. Guns are easy to get over the border.
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What's a "powerful weapon" and what relevance does it have to mass shootings, most of which are done with a small caliber pistol? You can pack a G17 and a dozen loaded mags and kill dozens to hundreds of people. Don't need an AR for that.Swaye said:
Can't believe I am even going to wade into this because gun control debates always go so well on HH.AZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
I agree that I am sick of these fucking loons (left or right or muslim or christian or whoever the fuck) killing piles of people. I agree that guns make it easier to inflict massive scale damage. But, I also think that the 2nd Amendment is there for a reason, and limiting it is a very bad idea on principle. Look, I'm a life member of the NRA and lifetime hunter/2nd amendment supporter. But, I am tired of seeing dozens of people mowed down (Orlando and Vegas). But what's the answer? How do you preserve a very important and unique freedom, while ensuring some basic level of public safety?
And the issue is, in my mind at least, the give an inch take a mile problem with modern politics. Coastal liberals will not be satisfied until they disarm America, no matter what bullshit sound bites they put on the evening news about "sensible gun legislation." There is an end game with them. Anyone who can't admit that is delusional or a liar. See "Michael Bloomberg" for details. Most NRA members (not the super hardcore nutjobs) that I know, privately will agree that some small amounts of legislation to make powerful weapons harder to get is not a bad thing, but they are never going to go along with ANY legislation because they feel like if they give in on ANYTHING, the libs will just ask for more the next day.
It's the same deal on the other side with abortion. Most reasonable liberals don't think aborting a baby a week before it is born is a good idea. But, if you allow ANY restrictions on abortion, the religious right loons will just ask for more and more. They have an end game too. So, they put up a total and complete firewall. Same as the NRA. And here we are....give an inch they will take a mile politics now rules the land and no sensible legislation can occur across a number of issues - abortion and guns being two of them.
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Yes the border is of serious concern. Terrorists can easily move men and equipment.Mosster47 said:
Yeah, this is Mexico's fault. Good call....Sledog said:Watching the video the rate of fire sounds like about 5-600 RPM. That would match the AK. The M-16 is as high as 750 RPM. Could be any number of guns though. Possible it's a semi-auto with a crank trigger device or slide fire stock. Rate of fire seems to vary. Just watched another video with a pretty long string of fire. Pretty consistent. If this is an ISIS op, guy doesn't fit the profile, any kind of weapon would be possible. Guns are easy to get over the border.
What will you say if it's one of Obozo's fast and furious guns? I think they have accounted for more deaths than this including a U.S. Border patrolmen but I'm sure you expressed your outrage. -
It's actually not interesting at all. ISIS claimed responsibility for the squirrel I ran over the other day.Sledog said: -
I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.
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I was in Vegas 3 weeks ago and I can't speak for Mandalay Bay but I was in the Venetian and the don't care what's in your bags. Im sure this is going to make things change a lot like 9/11 did with the airports but I have no idea how they would regulate it.dhdawg said:I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.
How the fuck was this guy able to transport 12 AR's into his hotel room in vegas?
The guy lives 80 miles from Vegas too so it's not like he had to go through a airport. He could have made multiple trips to bring everything in... who knows but it's really not that farfetched that he was able to get them into his room.
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Hey dumbass, I poasted that he was likely a straight up whack job. But context is everything. He was shooting into a crowd of country western music fans. If he was motivated by hate, although remotely possible, it is highly unlikely that he was deriving his hatred towards that crowd from a conservative or christian point of view.2001400ex said:
Why does it have to be a liberal out a Muslim? So you think conservatives aren't fucked up too? There's no fucked up Christians?Southerndawg said:
Agree, it's not likely he was a last minute convert to the religion of peace making a pact with the ISIS AIDS. Card carrying AntiFa member seems a strong runner up, given the crowd he chose to take aim at. Or he could be another Bernie supporter shooting at "Republicans" on the field. Most likely he was just straight up whack job, which in this case is redundant abundance.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
By all chindications, it's domestic. The shooter was a 64 year old white guy from Mesquite, NV.Southerndawg said:
It's possible he had them legally, either by license or more likely, he could have fitted the gun(s) with bump fire stock(s), which are completely legal. These are inexpensive stocks that float, using recoil to allow for very rapid semi-automatic fire, nearly as rapid as fully automatic rifles fire. If you listen to the video footage, the rate of fire seems to vary quite a bit. This would be consistent with a semi-automatic rifle being fired with a bump fire stock.PineapplePirate said:No gun laws would have stopped this as he obviously had illegal automatic weapons. Curious to see how the media spins it. I hate when they make political statements out of dead people. They will blame someone or something.
But who knows, maybe he illegally modified the rifles or bought fully automatic weapons illegally. Really doesn't matter now, the fucker killed and maimed a lot of people. Apparently the sick fuck had at least ten rifles in his room, and he killed himself before before being shot or apprehended. Total coward. No doubt this was an act of terrorism. There is no other way to accurately describe it. Only question is whether it was domestic or foreign in nature.
@Swaye, excellent poast on both the gun control and abortion issues. Spot on, reasonableness in politics is gone.
For fucks sakes. How about we all agree on one thing. There's fucking wackos in every party and religion. -
We need to start with a massive buyback program. Too many guns are in circulation.
Then go from there. NRA and the GOP will kill all of it tho -
What amount of money do you suppose we could have offered this clown to turn in his guns?
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Yeah. It's gonna change. For good or for badCuntWaffle said:
I was in Vegas 3 weeks ago and I can't speak for Mandalay Bay but I was in the Venetian and the don't care what's in your bags. Im sure this is going to make things change a lot like 9/11 did with the airports but I have no idea how they would regulate it.dhdawg said:I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.
How the fuck was this guy able to transport 12 AR's into his hotel room in vegas?
The guy lives 80 miles from Vegas too so it's not like he had to go through a airport. He could have made multiple trips to bring everything in... who knows but it's really not that farfetched that he was able to get them into his room.
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You could pack 6 into a suit-hanger bag, rather easily.dhdawg said:I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.
How the fuck was this guy able to transport 12 AR's into his hotel room in vegas? -
Agree. He had 20,000 plus targets standing in rows, mostly shoulder to shoulder and he was positioned 32 floors up from the ground. No marksmanship required. All he had to do is send a spray of bullets into that crowd. Fucking sickening.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
