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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    doogie said:

    High speed rail fare from Cle Elum to Seattle, heavily subsidized, would cost far more then what the little people this "solution" is sold to, would be willing to pay.

    Rail as a "solution" toward moving people, is a circle jerk for emotional thinkers.

    Right. It's just emotional thinking moving millions of people in countries all over the world (outside of North America).

    America is somehow different. No matter if everyone else in the world has figured out a reasonable solution to a problem (transportation, health care coverage, what have you)

    IT WON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE REASONS WE'RE DIFFERENT FUCK OFF

    Every mother thinks her son is exceptional. If the son believes it too, he's in for a world of hurt.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    AZDuck said:

    doogie said:

    High speed rail fare from Cle Elum to Seattle, heavily subsidized, would cost far more then what the little people this "solution" is sold to, would be willing to pay.

    Rail as a "solution" toward moving people, is a circle jerk for emotional thinkers.

    Right. It's just emotional thinking moving millions of people in countries all over the world (outside of North America).

    America is somehow different. No matter if everyone else in the world has figured out a reasonable solution to a problem (transportation, health care coverage, what have you)

    IT WON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE REASONS WE'RE DIFFERENT FUCK OFF

    Every mother thinks her son is exceptional. If the son believes it too, he's in for a world of hurt.
    You cited Portland's light rail as an example that works.

    Take your L and move on.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Your mom never thought her Son was special. I hope she loved you anyway.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    doogie said:

    High speed rail fare from Cle Elum to Seattle, heavily subsidized, would cost far more then what the little people this "solution" is sold to, would be willing to pay.

    Rail as a "solution" toward moving people, is a circle jerk for emotional thinkers.

    Right. It's just emotional thinking moving millions of people in countries all over the world (outside of North America).

    America is somehow different. No matter if everyone else in the world has figured out a reasonable solution to a problem (transportation, health care coverage, what have you)

    IT WON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE REASONS WE'RE DIFFERENT FUCK OFF

    Every mother thinks her son is exceptional. If the son believes it too, he's in for a world of hurt.
    You cited Portland's light rail as an example that works.

    Take your L and move on.
    I stand by that. MAX and Streetcar have 140,000 boardings/day. 4th highest light rail ridership in North America, in the 33rd biggest metro area.

    I didn't have to own a car in Portland 20 years ago, it's probably better now
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    I kinda dig trails for intra-MSA transportation and can deal with begrudgingly cope with the operational subsidies. It's stuff like large-scale eminent domain, clusterfuck construction, and political chinfluence of design that screw these up from the start.
    Aside from the population density point above, one thing oft overlooked when trying to applying other countries solutions to the US is cultural/national/racial homogeneity. Germany remain mostly German, Swiss in Switzerland, etc. It makes a difference.
    TL;DR - the Turks need maor tim.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Moving the goalposts again, I see.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

    doogie said:

    High speed rail fare from Cle Elum to Seattle, heavily subsidized, would cost far more then what the little people this "solution" is sold to, would be willing to pay.

    Rail as a "solution" toward moving people, is a circle jerk for emotional thinkers.

    Right. It's just emotional thinking moving millions of people in countries all over the world (outside of North America).

    America is somehow different. No matter if everyone else in the world has figured out a reasonable solution to a problem (transportation, health care coverage, what have you)

    IT WON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE REASONS WE'RE DIFFERENT FUCK OFF

    Every mother thinks her son is exceptional. If the son believes it too, he's in for a world of hurt.
    America is different. HTH.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    doogie said:

    High speed rail fare from Cle Elum to Seattle, heavily subsidized, would cost far more then what the little people this "solution" is sold to, would be willing to pay.

    Rail as a "solution" toward moving people, is a circle jerk for emotional thinkers.

    Right. It's just emotional thinking moving millions of people in countries all over the world (outside of North America).

    America is somehow different. No matter if everyone else in the world has figured out a reasonable solution to a problem (transportation, health care coverage, what have you)

    IT WON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE REASONS WE'RE DIFFERENT FUCK OFF

    Every mother thinks her son is exceptional. If the son believes it too, he's in for a world of hurt.
    You cited Portland's light rail as an example that works.

    Take your L and move on.
    I stand by that. MAX and Streetcar have 140,000 boardings/day. 4th highest light rail ridership in North America, in the 33rd biggest metro area.

    I didn't have to own a car in Portland 20 years ago, it's probably better now
    It's ok when the temperature is between 40 and 80 degrees and it's not raining too heavily...and you have hours to kill going back and forth to work...and you live and work near the lines.
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    AZDuck said:

    doogie said:

    High speed rail fare from Cle Elum to Seattle, heavily subsidized, would cost far more then what the little people this "solution" is sold to, would be willing to pay.

    Rail as a "solution" toward moving people, is a circle jerk for emotional thinkers.

    Right. It's just emotional thinking moving millions of people in countries all over the world (outside of North America).

    America is somehow different. No matter if everyone else in the world has figured out a reasonable solution to a problem (transportation, health care coverage, what have you)

    IT WON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE REASONS WE'RE DIFFERENT FUCK OFF

    Every mother thinks her son is exceptional. If the son believes it too, he's in for a world of hurt.
    America is different. HTH.
    America is pretty stupid in almost all dealing. EVERYTHING has to turn a profit, but it can't just turn a profit, it has to turn a profit for the right people.

    Everyone will clap at a new battleship that floats around and does nothing, but something that would increase the general welfare of a populous is viewed as communist garbage. It's stupid and you can't fix that.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    I kinda dig trails for intra-MSA transportation and can deal with begrudgingly cope with the operational subsidies. It's stuff like large-scale eminent domain, clusterfuck construction, and political chinfluence of design that screw these up from the start.
    Aside from the population density point above, one thing oft overlooked when trying to applying other countries solutions to the US is cultural/national/racial homogeneity. Germany remain mostly German, Swiss in Switzerland, etc. It makes a difference.
    TL;DR - the Turks need maor tim.

    You know that Switzerland is split among the three main Euro ethnicities (German, French, Italian) right? That and over a quarter of the population there isn't even Swiss, but has the Swiss version of a green card?

    I don't think that having different ethnic groups makes rail transportation not work. London's a helluva lot more diverse than Seattle or Portland.