What I think about taxes
However, being a successful person like we are now costs more thanks to a pretty steep state income tax. Still not a property owner but property taxes are in line with Seattle.
The bottom line is, if you're poor taxes don't mean shit and you usually get money back. If you are semi rich you get nailed but 65% of a lot is better than 100% of nothing.
Words to live by
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Property tax is generally passed on to renters, except you don't get to deduct it.
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But rents are not unreasonable. Prop 13 was the best thing this state ever did. Otherwise property taxes and rent would be sky high.
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Totally agree. California living is very expensive. Property taxes are the least of it thanks to Prop 13. Incomes are high for professionals and the lifestyle is exceptional -- so long as you can generate the cash flow. Below a certain break-even point there is the moment where many people say Arizona here I come! CA government policies support this huge wealthy / poor divide. In summary, the only losers in life are those who quit drinking and / or move to AZ.RaceBannon said:If you are a poor renter in California like we were this state has a really low cost of living in a really beautiful setting with a lot of freeways and shit to move around on. It cost far less than being successful in Seattle.
However, being a successful person like we are now costs more thanks to a pretty steep state income tax. Still not a property owner but property taxes are in line with Seattle.
The bottom line is, if you're poor taxes don't mean shit and you usually get money back. If you are semi rich you get nailed but 65% of a lot is better than 100% of nothing.
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Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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Most municipalities save the shit we really need for special levies. If you want 9-11 and fire and police you have to vote for additional taxes above property tax.
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I think you are talking about Mello Roos districts that came shortly after prop 13. A lot of riverside county, especially sw riverside county was developed in the 1980s and 90s, by mello roos. Mello Roos district taxpayers pay for their own infrastructure and services. The property taxes are about 50% higher in Mello Roos districts but you get what you pay for. Most of CA though pays for basic services through the basie 1% property tax levy.RaceBannon said:Most municipalities save the shit we really need for special levies. If you want 9-11 and fire and police you have to vote for additional taxes above property tax.
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It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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oregonblitzkrieg said:
Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they troll in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck work.
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Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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There's a rather simple reply to this. We want an educated population. Not that we are guaranteed to have one, but kids in the US need to be educated and by doing so, we raise better citizens that we all have to share the community with. Empowerment of individuals is a noble goal, even for the kids of total bums who sit on the couch all day. At least the kids have a chance someday. There's no way we'd be a better society or have safer streets to walk on if we didn't pay taxes to help kids other than our own.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
I wish people wouldn't have kids they can't support and educate, but the government needs future taxpayers, so the policy will always be to grow them like crops.
And honestly, one skim of these boreds tells us we have enough losers already. We don't need more. -
Srsly. Do you really fucking think primary education and public safety are private goods? If so, kill your face with a rusty cheese grater in the ass. If you're trolling, well done.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
And you sound poor.
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HE HAD A CONTRACT!oregonblitzkrieg said:
Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
And you sound poor.
It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.
You want to know how I know you didn't go to UO? -
That's not how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
And you sound poor.
It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste. -
You seem to know a lot about very little....typical quook.AZDuck said:
HE HAD A CONTRACT!oregonblitzkrieg said:
Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
And you sound poor.
It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.
You want to know how I know you didn't go to UO? -
Oregon is also wasting $55,279.53 per month on this Seattle area wastrel:
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/34636347-75/former-ohsu-neurosurgeon-bumps-ex-oregon-ducks-coach-mike-bellotti-from-top-pers-recipient-spot.html.csp
Why the fuck should Oregon be paying this fuck more than half a mil a year? Axe this waste and use it to pay for services that benefit residents of the state. Things like schools and police and shit. -
Okay, expert: Enlighten.2001400ex said:
That's not how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
And you sound poor.
It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste. -
HE HAD A CONTRACT!
Seriously. It's right there, in the Contracts clause of the Constitution.
I thought you Ayn Rand types liked contracts. -
You see, part of your benefits goes into a pension. Just like business offer 401k plans and put money into that. When they put money into the pension, it grows over time. Then later you have an annuity that pays you out your earnings. And if the plan is fully funded, it's fully your money. Are you saying the Boeing mechanic that gets $45k a year in pension is sucking off Boeing's teet?TurdBuffer said:
Okay, expert: Enlighten.2001400ex said:
That's not how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
And you sound poor.
It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.
Again turdfucker, you are fucking clueless. How does it feel to get repeatedly gang raped by Hondo? -
Who gives a fuck. Rip it up.AZDuck said:HE HAD A CONTRACT!
Seriously. It's right there, in the Contracts clause of the Constitution. -
Again. The money is paid in during his tenure. What part of that don't you understand?oregonblitzkrieg said:
Who gives a fuck. Rip it up.AZDuck said:HE HAD A CONTRACT!
Seriously. It's right there, in the Contracts clause of the Constitution. -
I thought we liked the Constitution?oregonblitzkrieg said:
Who gives a fuck. Rip it up.AZDuck said:HE HAD A CONTRACT!
Seriously. It's right there, in the Contracts clause of the Constitution. -
Education of any level is a legitimate private good. Coercive force is not.AZDuck said:
Srsly. Do you really fucking think primary education and public safety are private goods? If so, kill your face with a rusty cheese grater in the ass. If you're trolling, well done.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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Gotta disagree. Education makes the pack (flock?) smarter and better. Also keeps the little hoodlums off the streets. Show me a country with an entirely private educational system and I'll show you sub-Saharan Africa, or the Middle Ages.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Education of any level is a legitimate private good. Coercive force is not.AZDuck said:
Srsly. Do you really fucking think primary education and public safety are private goods? If so, kill your face with a rusty cheese grater in the ass. If you're trolling, well done.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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Perhaps we crossed terms. I meantt good as in goods & services. No question that broadly available public education is a societal good. Compulsory, publicly funded education is probably on balance a good thing(tm). Could also be the largest corporate welfare program in history.AZDuck said:
Gotta disagree. Education makes the pack (flock?) smarter and better. Also keeps the little hoodlums off the streets. Show me a country with an entirely private educational system and I'll show you sub-Saharan Africa, or the Middle Ages.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Education of any level is a legitimate private good. Coercive force is not.AZDuck said:
Srsly. Do you really fucking think primary education and public safety are private goods? If so, kill your face with a rusty cheese grater in the ass. If you're trolling, well done.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
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It's more fun when I'm not arguing with GoebbelsDuck.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Perhaps we crossed terms. I meantt good as in goods & services. No question that broadly available public education is a societal good. Compulsory, publicly funded education is probably on balance a good thing(tm). Could also be the largest corporate welfare program in history.AZDuck said:
Gotta disagree. Education makes the pack (flock?) smarter and better. Also keeps the little hoodlums off the streets. Show me a country with an entirely private educational system and I'll show you sub-Saharan Africa, or the Middle Ages.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Education of any level is a legitimate private good. Coercive force is not.AZDuck said:
Srsly. Do you really fucking think primary education and public safety are private goods? If so, kill your face with a rusty cheese grater in the ass. If you're trolling, well done.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
I do think "primary education and public safety" is a false equivalency.
I would posit that an educated society is as important to public safety, if not more so, than the police and fire departments combined. -
I've more thoughts than willing type on phone.AZDuck said:
It's more fun when I'm not arguing with GoebbelsDuck.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Perhaps we crossed terms. I meantt good as in goods & services. No question that broadly available public education is a societal good. Compulsory, publicly funded education is probably on balance a good thing(tm). Could also be the largest corporate welfare program in history.AZDuck said:
Gotta disagree. Education makes the pack (flock?) smarter and better. Also keeps the little hoodlums off the streets. Show me a country with an entirely private educational system and I'll show you sub-Saharan Africa, or the Middle Ages.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Education of any level is a legitimate private good. Coercive force is not.AZDuck said:
Srsly. Do you really fucking think primary education and public safety are private goods? If so, kill your face with a rusty cheese grater in the ass. If you're trolling, well done.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
I do think "primary education and public safety" is a false equivalency.
I would posit that an educated society is as important to public safety, if not more so, than the police and fire departments combined.
Seems to be a fundamental theme of most people of good will along spectrum. We? basically want the same good things in life for another. The difference is the means by which to affect those outcomes. To be even more reductive: what are the things I would convince my neighbor to do, and what are the things I'd command him to do at gunpoint. -
If Belotti lives another 20 years from this month forward, he will have been paid $10,739,959.20 from Oregon PERS. Please to be providing stats showing Belotti paid this much or more into PERS. And after you do that, please to be bungee jumping off the Space Needle without a bungee cord.2001400ex said:
Again. The money is paid in during his tenure. What part of that don't you understand?oregonblitzkrieg said:
Who gives a fuck. Rip it up.AZDuck said:HE HAD A CONTRACT!
Seriously. It's right there, in the Contracts clause of the Constitution.
