What I think about taxes
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Hi there!salemcoog said:
Yes, there is some waste, mismanagement, etc in the public school system. What institution, public or private, doesn't have these issues? And many will point directly at the teacher's unions as the number one reason. It is more nuanced than that. Teachers, at least in Seattle, are underpaid. Period. I'll ignore the "they only work 9 months" out of the year because that's not true.
Voucher's might be a good answer, but I'm not sold yet. I think it will lead to the further economic segregation. Segregation that hurts everyone in the long run.
We've paid for K-8 private school for all 3 kids, and went the public high school route for the older 2. I happily pay my taxes and approve levies to support public education because I know it is one of the most important public services we can provide.
If waste is detected in the private sector , it's put on the chopping block, pronto, because someone within the organization is actually held accountable for it in their budget process.
In the public sector it is left to fester years, if not decades due to political process.
This line of thinking is why I fucking hate libtards.
It's hilarious to me how little people actually know of the federal government. I get it because there really aren't many of us and less than 1% deal with the public.
There is no such thing as monetary waste in the federal government. There is appropriated money that goes out to each bureau. Congress can add provisions, but it just goes to a specific fund or program.
Every bureau/agency gets their budget and they do their job. If there is money left over then they can use it for things not directly related to their job, unless their are laws saying they cant.
It's a set fucking number every year. We aren't turning a profit or asked to. If we don't use all of our budget then it is transferred to another agency that requested to go over budget. Then when the appropriated money expires it's used as a carry over to fund a current budget/fund/project. If it is expired for five years and still not spent it goes back to the general fund.
Why people want to compare a government agency to a private capitalistic business is fucking stupid. If you want to say the government budget is too big that's fine, but the waste argument is really stupid.
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It's hilarious to me how little people actually know of the federal government. I get it because there really aren't many of us and less than 1% deal with the public.Mosster47 said:
Hi there!salemcoog said:
Yes, there is some waste, mismanagement, etc in the public school system. What institution, public or private, doesn't have these issues? And many will point directly at the teacher's unions as the number one reason. It is more nuanced than that. Teachers, at least in Seattle, are underpaid. Period. I'll ignore the "they only work 9 months" out of the year because that's not true.
Voucher's might be a good answer, but I'm not sold yet. I think it will lead to the further economic segregation. Segregation that hurts everyone in the long run.
We've paid for K-8 private school for all 3 kids, and went the public high school route for the older 2. I happily pay my taxes and approve levies to support public education because I know it is one of the most important public services we can provide.
If waste is detected in the private sector , it's put on the chopping block, pronto, because someone within the organization is actually held accountable for it in their budget process.
In the public sector it is left to fester years, if not decades due to political process.
This line of thinking is why I fucking hate libtards.
There is no such thing as monetary waste in the federal government. There is appropriated money that goes out to each bureau. Congress can add provisions, but it just goes to a specific fund or program.
Every bureau/agency gets their budget and they do their job. If there is money left over then they can use it for things not directly related to their job, unless their are laws saying they cant.
It's a set fucking number every year. We aren't turning a profit or asked to. If we don't use all of our budget then it is transferred to another agency that requested to go over budget. Then when the appropriated money expires it's used as a carry over to fund a current budget/fund/project. If it is expired for five years and still not spent it goes back to the general fund.
Why people want to compare a government agency to a private capitalistic business is fucking stupid. If you want to say the government budget is too big that's fine, but the waste argument is really stupid.
The waste in government comes from hiring lazy turds that can't be easily fired. You have to try to get fired from a gov job. It's kind of similar to a Japanese business in that a shitty employee just kind of gets shamed by losing their work load. But you're right in that there is not much outright fraudulent spending because of tight controls.
Banking and Finance is the most extravagant in terms of blowing money on ridiculous shit but its the lifestyle so nobody seems to give a shit. -
@Mosster47: "There is no such thing as monetary waste in the federal government."
"Why people want to compare a government agency to a private capitalistic business is fucking stupid. If you want to say the government budget is too big that's fine, but the waste argument is really stupid."
The government budget is too big AND thereby wastes too much money by having too many lifer employees doing jobs the federal government really has no business doing in the first place. I would also point out that while most federal employees I've worked with have been the typical A student type from high school, I've also worked with a bunch who think they are above-the law and throw their weight around, bullying others believing they have the imprimatur of the government on their backs. This has been especially true under the Obama Administration where unqualified and lesser-than appointments have led to downstream hires smacking of pure political patronage instead of hiring based on talent. If you work for the feds, you know Goddamn well the arrogance it breeds.
I voted for Obama twice, btw, but HRC's patronage, I believe, would've continued the practices already in place, if not have expanded the practice further.
I never would've thought I'd be saying so, but I actually long for the Reagan and especially Bush Sr. days when merit meant something. -
Waste in public school districts is crazy. Used to be a principle and a vice principal to supervise all the teachers now there is a supervisor for every three in CA IIRC. At that time CA was spending 280,000.00 per classroom.
Sent my kids to private school where they received a better education and they spent 65,000.00 per classroom. This is why we need vouchers.
Loony libs lead to massive spending to reward people that aren't doing a good job in the first place. Don't get me wrong there are many good teachers in public education. A metric shit ton of poor ones as well. Get back to basics. Politicians deciding curriculum is insanity. In CA there is a bill up in the state to add that the Russians got Trump elected to history class. Crazy stupid. -
I am so down with public schools.salemcoog said:
The problem is that we have the worst public schools in he developed world and about 40% of my property taxes go to support them. And in Oregon we are at the bottom of the barrel. I realize that we need to fund a public school system, but they need to be managed 300% better than they currently are being managed. But there is no check nor balance to see that better results are attained. It's a lot like that in most government entities.TurdBuffer said:
There's a rather simple reply to this. We want an educated population. Not that we are guaranteed to have one, but kids in the US need to be educated and by doing so, we raise better citizens that we all have to share the community with. Empowerment of individuals is a noble goal, even for the kids of total bums who sit on the couch all day. At least the kids have a chance someday. There's no way we'd be a better society or have safer streets to walk on if we didn't pay taxes to help kids other than our own.Fenderbender123 said:
Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?2001400ex said:
Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.oregonblitzkrieg said:Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.
I wish people wouldn't have kids they can't support and educate, but the government needs future taxpayers, so the policy will always be to grow them like crops.
And honestly, one skim of these boreds tells us we have enough losers already. We don't need more.
Got it bad, got it bad, got it bad....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4_Ommfvv0
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The waste in government comes from hiring lazy turds that can't be easily fired. You have to try to get fired from a gov job. It's kind of similar to a Japanese business in that a shitty employee just kind of gets shamed by losing their work load. But you're right in that there is not much outright fraudulent spending because of tight controls.RedRocket said:
It's hilarious to me how little people actually know of the federal government. I get it because there really aren't many of us and less than 1% deal with the public.Mosster47 said:
Hi there!salemcoog said:
Yes, there is some waste, mismanagement, etc in the public school system. What institution, public or private, doesn't have these issues? And many will point directly at the teacher's unions as the number one reason. It is more nuanced than that. Teachers, at least in Seattle, are underpaid. Period. I'll ignore the "they only work 9 months" out of the year because that's not true.
Voucher's might be a good answer, but I'm not sold yet. I think it will lead to the further economic segregation. Segregation that hurts everyone in the long run.
We've paid for K-8 private school for all 3 kids, and went the public high school route for the older 2. I happily pay my taxes and approve levies to support public education because I know it is one of the most important public services we can provide.
If waste is detected in the private sector , it's put on the chopping block, pronto, because someone within the organization is actually held accountable for it in their budget process.
In the public sector it is left to fester years, if not decades due to political process.
This line of thinking is why I fucking hate libtards.
There is no such thing as monetary waste in the federal government. There is appropriated money that goes out to each bureau. Congress can add provisions, but it just goes to a specific fund or program.
Every bureau/agency gets their budget and they do their job. If there is money left over then they can use it for things not directly related to their job, unless their are laws saying they cant.
It's a set fucking number every year. We aren't turning a profit or asked to. If we don't use all of our budget then it is transferred to another agency that requested to go over budget. Then when the appropriated money expires it's used as a carry over to fund a current budget/fund/project. If it is expired for five years and still not spent it goes back to the general fund.
Why people want to compare a government agency to a private capitalistic business is fucking stupid. If you want to say the government budget is too big that's fine, but the waste argument is really stupid.
Banking and Finance is the most extravagant in terms of blowing money on ridiculous shit but its the lifestyle so nobody seems to give a shit.
Red
In construction we wait for December when the government agencies have to spend everything they got so they don't get cut.
Happens in big corporations too
Money never goes back -
"In construction we wait for December when the government agencies have to spend everything they got so they don't get cut."
Sweep up funds. Most of this occurs by end of fiscal year, but some monies do die or are put on contract EOCY. Either way, the purpose is to ensure that every penny is spent as justification for the following year's budget. Point is well taken though, Money Never Goes Back. Empire building is also a major problem in the federal government. Real promotions depend on it. Couple that with the lack of a profit motive and there is zero incentive to shrink from within, in fact the opposite is true. The idea that the federal government does not waste money is beyond FS.
This sort of thing does happen in large corporations as well, but to a much lesser extent. Those I've been associated with generally incentivize cost cutting measures to limit this sort of creep and waste. The effectiveness of those measures is always an issue with regards to at what level the benefit is realized. But one thing is for sure, you will always see much larger real cost cutting measures and RIFs in the private sector than you do in the public sector. Survival and profit motive ensure this. -
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Red
In construction we wait for December when the government agencies have to spend everything they got so they don't get cut.
Happens in big corporations too
Money never goes back
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This is true, its a biggie and I left it out - though there is kind of an indirect link because labor is a big component of budget.
The money is use it or lose it and PMs don't like to give it up. I spent some time at the DOE do have some first hand experience with this. It's why I'm supportive, in some cases, of having 3rd parties operate certain capacities of gov. It's what DOE does at its national labs and I think it is better set up than having the DOE run the labs directly because there is more inherent incentive for efficiency. -
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Hi there!salemcoog said:
Yes, there is some waste, mismanagement, etc in the public school system. What institution, public or private, doesn't have these issues? And many will point directly at the teacher's unions as the number one reason. It is more nuanced than that. Teachers, at least in Seattle, are underpaid. Period. I'll ignore the "they only work 9 months" out of the year because that's not true.
Voucher's might be a good answer, but I'm not sold yet. I think it will lead to the further economic segregation. Segregation that hurts everyone in the long run.
We've paid for K-8 private school for all 3 kids, and went the public high school route for the older 2. I happily pay my taxes and approve levies to support public education because I know it is one of the most important public services we can provide.
If waste is detected in the private sector , it's put on the chopping block, pronto, because someone within the organization is actually held accountable for it in their budget process.
In the public sector it is left to fester years, if not decades due to political process.
This line of thinking is why I fucking hate libtards.
Shut up you fucking cock gobbler. You don't know shit.
The big company I work for pisses money away constantly and has for years because we're loaded with dumbfucks, just like any government agency.
The one difference - and it's a big difference - is when we're pissing money away, it's our money. Actually, it's our shareholders' money, but those poor fuckers have no idea how much money we could make if we'd unfuck ourselves and quit wasting dollars on bullshit.
Your line of thinking is why I hate you.
That was your best attempt at an original thought in the last 4 years since I've been on here.
However It does sound as if you and yours in the mail room are a little ticked about the amount given to the sales executives expense accounts in your company. -
That was your best attempt at an original thought in the last 4 years since I've been on here.salemcoog said:
-------------------------------------------------------dflea said:
Hi there!salemcoog said:
Yes, there is some waste, mismanagement, etc in the public school system. What institution, public or private, doesn't have these issues? And many will point directly at the teacher's unions as the number one reason. It is more nuanced than that. Teachers, at least in Seattle, are underpaid. Period. I'll ignore the "they only work 9 months" out of the year because that's not true.
Voucher's might be a good answer, but I'm not sold yet. I think it will lead to the further economic segregation. Segregation that hurts everyone in the long run.
We've paid for K-8 private school for all 3 kids, and went the public high school route for the older 2. I happily pay my taxes and approve levies to support public education because I know it is one of the most important public services we can provide.
If waste is detected in the private sector , it's put on the chopping block, pronto, because someone within the organization is actually held accountable for it in their budget process.
In the public sector it is left to fester years, if not decades due to political process.
This line of thinking is why I fucking hate libtards.
Shut up you fucking cock gobbler. You don't know shit.
The big company I work for pisses money away constantly and has for years because we're loaded with dumbfucks, just like any government agency.
The one difference - and it's a big difference - is when we're pissing money away, it's our money. Actually, it's our shareholders' money, but those poor fuckers have no idea how much money we could make if we'd unfuck ourselves and quit wasting dollars on bullshit.
Your line of thinking is why I hate you.
However It does sound as if you and yours in the mail room are a little ticked about the amount given to the sales executives expense accounts in your company.
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