What I think about taxes

RaceBannon

If you are a poor renter in California like we were this state has a really low cost of living in a really beautiful setting with a lot of freeways and shit to move around on. It cost far less than being successful in Seattle.

However, being a successful person like we are now costs more thanks to a pretty steep state income tax. Still not a property owner but property taxes are in line with Seattle.

The bottom line is, if you're poor taxes don't mean shit and you usually get money back. If you are semi rich you get nailed but 65% of a lot is better than 100% of nothing.

Words to live by

UWhuskytskeet

Property tax is generally passed on to renters, except you don't get to deduct it.

RaceBannon

But rents are not unreasonable. Prop 13 was the best thing this state ever did. Otherwise property taxes and rent would be sky high.

CirrhosisDawg

RaceBannon said:

If you are a poor renter in California like we were this state has a really low cost of living in a really beautiful setting with a lot of freeways and shit to move around on. It cost far less than being successful in Seattle.

However, being a successful person like we are now costs more thanks to a pretty steep state income tax. Still not a property owner but property taxes are in line with Seattle.

The bottom line is, if you're poor taxes don't mean shit and you usually get money back. If you are semi rich you get nailed but 65% of a lot is better than 100% of nothing.

Words to live by

Totally agree. California living is very expensive. Property taxes are the least of it thanks to Prop 13. Incomes are high for professionals and the lifestyle is exceptional -- so long as you can generate the cash flow. Below a certain break-even point there is the moment where many people say Arizona here I come! CA government policies support this huge wealthy / poor divide. In summary, the only losers in life are those who quit drinking and / or move to AZ.

oregonblitzkrieg

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

2001400ex

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

oregonblitzkrieg

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.

RaceBannon

Most municipalities save the shit we really need for special levies. If you want 9-11 and fire and police you have to vote for additional taxes above property tax.

CirrhosisDawg

RaceBannon said:

Most municipalities save the shit we really need for special levies. If you want 9-11 and fire and police you have to vote for additional taxes above property tax.

I think you are talking about Mello Roos districts that came shortly after prop 13. A lot of riverside county, especially sw riverside county was developed in the 1980s and 90s, by mello roos. Mello Roos district taxpayers pay for their own infrastructure and services. The property taxes are about 50% higher in Mello Roos districts but you get what you pay for. Most of CA though pays for basic services through the basie 1% property tax levy.

2001400ex

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.

It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.

And you sound poor.

TurdBomber

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they troll in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck work.

Fenderbender123

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?

TurdBomber

Fenderbender123 said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?

There's a rather simple reply to this. We want an educated population. Not that we are guaranteed to have one, but kids in the US need to be educated and by doing so, we raise better citizens that we all have to share the community with. Empowerment of individuals is a noble goal, even for the kids of total bums who sit on the couch all day. At least the kids have a chance someday. There's no way we'd be a better society or have safer streets to walk on if we didn't pay taxes to help kids other than our own.

I wish people wouldn't have kids they can't support and educate, but the government needs future taxpayers, so the policy will always be to grow them like crops.

And honestly, one skim of these boreds tells us we have enough losers already. We don't need more.

AZDuck

Fenderbender123 said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

Why pretend like taxes are the only way to pay for stuff? Are you incapable of spending money yourself?

Srsly. Do you really fucking think primary education and public safety are private goods? If so, kill your face with a rusty cheese grater in the ass. If you're trolling, well done.

oregonblitzkrieg

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.

It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.

And you sound poor.

Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.

It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.

AZDuck

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.

It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.

And you sound poor.

Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.

It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.

HE HAD A CONTRACT!

You want to know how I know you didn't go to UO?

2001400ex

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.

It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.

And you sound poor.

Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.

It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.

That's not how pensions work.

oregonblitzkrieg

AZDuck said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.

It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.

And you sound poor.

Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.

It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.

HE HAD A CONTRACT!

You want to know how I know you didn't go to UO?

You seem to know a lot about very little....typical quook.

oregonblitzkrieg

Oregon is also wasting $55,279.53 per month on this Seattle area wastrel:

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/34636347-75/former-ohsu-neurosurgeon-bumps-ex-oregon-ducks-coach-mike-bellotti-from-top-pers-recipient-spot.html.csp

Why the fuck should Oregon be paying this fuck more than half a mil a year? Axe this waste and use it to pay for services that benefit residents of the state. Things like schools and police and shit.

TurdBomber

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

2001400ex said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Property taxes are just another form of state sanctioned theft and should be abolished. As long as property taxes exist, no one truly owns the land they live on and the basement they sleep in, they are just renting it from the government. Fuck property taxes.

Great idea. We don't need schools and police and shit.

I'm more concerned that Mike Belotti will be able to continue to receive his lifetime monthly salary of $44,749.83 from Oregon PERS.

It's almost like you don't understand how pensions work.

And you sound poor.

Bellotti doesn't need to be suckling off the state of Oregon's teat to the tune of $44,749.83 per month.

It's almost like you don't understand obscene government waste.

That's not how pensions work.

Okay, expert: Enlighten.

AZDuck

HE HAD A CONTRACT!

Seriously. It's right there, in the Contracts clause of the Constitution.

I thought you Ayn Rand types liked contracts.